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Permanent crown placement - standard practice?

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letsconnect - 11 Aug 2005 11:25 GMT
Is it standard practice not to use local anesthetic while replacing a
temporary with a permanent crown, if removal of the temporary & excess
cement causes a lot of pain? What's the usual MO in this situation
(assuming the patient has specified beforehand that they wish to be
numbed for anything that might be painful)?

Cheers :-) !
Vaughn - 11 Aug 2005 11:35 GMT
> Is it standard practice not to use local anesthetic while replacing a
> temporary with a permanent crown, if removal of the temporary & excess
> cement causes a lot of pain? What's the usual MO in this situation
> (assuming the patient has specified beforehand that they wish to be
> numbed for anything that might be painful)?

    In my experience, the process should not be painful, with the possible
exception of some tenderness in the gums.  As the dentist glues in the permanent
crown, he/she needs your help to tell if it fits right.  You can't do that if
you have no feeling.  If the crown ends up a bit high, you could be in for some
pain in the coming weeks and the inconvenience of an extra visit to your dentist
to get things right.

Vaughn (just a dental consumer)
letsconnect - 11 Aug 2005 12:24 GMT
Many thanks for the input - makes sense. I don't know what sort of temp
cement was used in this scenario, but it sounds like it took an awful
lot of tugging to get it off and by that time, the tooth was pretty
sore ?? Does this happen frequently?
Joel344 - 11 Aug 2005 12:52 GMT
The fit and inability to remove the temporary can be a problem.
Let's say its a ten-unit splint, ten temporary croiwns all cemented
in as one piece.

THE TRICK: Spatulate in a small amount of Vasoline into the
temporary cement mix. This provides the slippage when its time
to remove same.

Conversely, when a temporary crown comes off too easily,
spatulate in some zinc oxide to the mix, if one is using something
like Temp Bond that comes in two pre-prepared tubes. The stiffer
mix stays put!

OKAY ... SURVEY:

What do you guys use for temporary cementation?

Joel

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letsconnect - 11 Aug 2005 12:59 GMT
Maybe I should clarify a bit more - this is a single crown, nothing
fancy. On another website (http://www.drsklar.com/ptinfo/crown.htm ), I
read that "When we see you next, we'll gently remove your temporary
crown. If your tooth is sensitive, you may require some anesthesia (or
laughing gas)."

So should anesthesia be provided if the patient is obviously in a lot
of pain (and asks for anesthesia)?
Joel344 - 11 Aug 2005 14:24 GMT
Yes and yes. Pain is ALWAYS a subjective thing.

Joel

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letsconnect - 11 Aug 2005 14:32 GMT
> Yes and yes. Pain is ALWAYS a subjective thing.

Thanks for clarifying that :-). Except - now I'm left wondering how the
dentist knows that it's seated correctly (as Vaughn said, "As the
dentist glues in the permanent crown, he/she needs your help to tell if
it fits right.  You can't do that if you have no feeling."). So what's
the story there? Is it easy enough for the dentist to tell if the crown
fits right without the patient's input? *puzzled*
Joel344 - 11 Aug 2005 14:48 GMT
One quick way ........ I snag a loop of dental floss on th
contralateral
(means other) side. I tell the patient to bite. If the floss pull
through
the crown is high ... way high! If it pulls through a bit compared to
before the crown was placed, there is still a problem.

I believe I can tell better, including articulating paper, than th
patient
can. The new crown often feels weird.

Joe

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The Real Paul - 11 Aug 2005 14:58 GMT
I prefer (and usually the patients does too!) not to numb the tooth prior to
cementation of the permanent crown. It usually just isn't necessary as long
as you are careful with the tooth. If the patient is very sensitive with the
tooth though then of course I numb it for the patient. It would be
unnecessary to put the patient through the procedure feeling pain the whole
time! I can tell when the crown is fitting when the patient is numb...its a
bit easier to tell when they are not numb though.

> > Yes and yes. Pain is ALWAYS a subjective thing.
>
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> the story there? Is it easy enough for the dentist to tell if the crown
> fits right without the patient's input? *puzzled*
letsconnect - 11 Aug 2005 16:32 GMT
Thanks for all your answers :-) !!
W_B - 11 Aug 2005 16:31 GMT
>The fit and inability to remove the temporary can be a problem.
>Let's say its a ten-unit splint, ten temporary croiwns all cemented
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>
>What do you guys use for temporary cementation?

Just like what you said.
You can get Temp-Bond in these nifty little
single use packs now.

For all porcelain restorations am using spot bonded
bis-acryl temps.

>Joel

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Dr Steve - 11 Aug 2005 17:07 GMT
What is temporary cement?

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Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S.
Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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> The fit and inability to remove the temporary can be a problem.
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>
> Joel
Joel344 - 11 Aug 2005 18:44 GMT
Look at all the fun you are missing ....!

Joe

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Joel34
Dr Steve - 11 Aug 2005 17:05 GMT
What's a temporary?

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Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S.
Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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> Is it standard practice not to use local anesthetic while replacing a
> temporary with a permanent crown, if removal of the temporary & excess
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>
> Cheers :-) !
 
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