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What is the best way to prep for cosmetic dentistry?

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Kim - 06 Aug 2005 05:47 GMT
Thank you all for your responses!  I really appreciate it.  My next
question is...I am interested in Cosmetic Dentistry, any advice on the
best way to prep while in school and post school.  Is cosmetic
dentistry a specialty or part of general dentistry?
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 06 Aug 2005 08:09 GMT
It's not an official specialty.
You need to take lots of classes read lots of articles join  the AACD
so that you are exposed to it.
W_B - 08 Aug 2005 15:34 GMT
>Thank you all for your responses!  I really appreciate it.  My next
>question is...I am interested in Cosmetic Dentistry, any advice on the
>best way to prep while in school and post school.  Is cosmetic
>dentistry a specialty or part of general dentistry?

Most restorative dentistry should be cosmetic.

'cosmetic dentistry' is not a specialty *and* all
patients should steer clear of those dentists
who profess to be such.
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W_B
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Dr Steve - 09 Aug 2005 15:44 GMT
agreed

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>>Thank you all for your responses!  I really appreciate it.  My next
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 09 Aug 2005 15:59 GMT
> agreed

    In general I agree, but...
    There are some of the top names in cosmetic dentistry.  They have the
experience, in many cases have developed the techniques.
    Certainly most general restorative dentists should be able to handle
the vast majority of cosmetic cases.  However, there are special
situations, and IMO its silly to pretend there aren't dentists out there
with extra special experience.
    Of course, they should not present themselves as "specialists" in the
sense of having been certified.  But the good thing for me is that if I
on occasion get a situation that I don't want to handle and a patient is
willing to pay for a top-notch operator, I know I have somewhere to send
them.

Steve

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W_B - 09 Aug 2005 16:08 GMT
>> agreed
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>Steve

Keyword:  experience

Ross Nash comes to mind, as a master of the art.

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 09 Aug 2005 16:17 GMT
>>>agreed
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> Ross Nash comes to mind, as a master of the art.

    Exactly.  The trick is figuring out what is experience, and what is
just skillful self-promotion.

Steve

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> W_B
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W_B - 09 Aug 2005 17:13 GMT
>>>    Of course, they should not present themselves as "specialists" in the
>>>sense of having been certified.  But the good thing for me is that if I
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>Steve

When I saw him he was not selling anything.

Just slides of technic and results.
Of course a good lab doesn't hurt.
(who BTW put on the seminar)
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Dr Steve - 09 Aug 2005 17:51 GMT
The whole trick in those cases is simply charging enough money so that you
can spend the necessary time to get it right.

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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>>>>agreed
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StovePipe - 10 Aug 2005 01:10 GMT
> The whole trick in those cases is simply charging enough money so that you
> can spend the necessary time to get it right.

Yeah.... or hiding what you get paid. There is a lot of that going on
here in the land of 'No'. It is to the point where I'm getting funny
looks from quite a few  patients when I answer the question: " and what
about the _discount?_"... I simply say: "We give receipts for all work
we do. There is no _under the table stuff._ What you choose to do with
your receipt is your own business."

It is frustrating, though, to see how the Kaannnaadian dental
professional is being choked to death by the TaxMan.

I'd be interested to know if the same happens over yourn.

Thanks
SP
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Steven Bornfeld - 10 Aug 2005 03:05 GMT
>>The whole trick in those cases is simply charging enough money so that you
>>can spend the necessary time to get it right.
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> Thanks
> SP

    Occasionally folks give me the puppydog face with the pouty lip and ask
for a discount.  But I've also had folks (almost invariably foreign
patients) who insist on giving me a tip.

Steve

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StovePipe - 10 Aug 2005 06:51 GMT
>       Occasionally folks give me the puppydog face with the pouty lip and ask
> for a discount.  But I've also had folks (almost invariably foreign
> patients) who insist on giving me a tip.
>
> Steve

Now, THAT is unusual.
SP
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Joel344 - 10 Aug 2005 10:14 GMT
Eastern Europeans are notorious for that. I often came home to find
extra hundred dollar bills stuffed into my clinic coat!

Joel

(PS~ I knew who did the stuffing, but they literally reached into m
vest pocket and stuffed in cash. This was not a few people, there wer
many.)

This works. It means much more than cash earned from charging patient
more. In fact, patients will bring me a bottle of wine from their ow
basement (grape fermenting stores), cookies baked at home, lots of ver
meaningful stuff.

Steven Bornfeld Wrote:

> >>The whole trick in those cases is simply charging enough money s
> that you
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StovePipe - 10 Aug 2005 01:10 GMT
> > Keyword:  experience
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> Steve

The idea of a photo journal that the potential patient can look through
is a measure of experience and capability, IMO. This would especially be
true if you did it yourself, with unretouched photos, with the same
lighting and the same color bibs, and the photos always being taken on
the same chair. I use the x-ray chair, as there is little daylight that
gets in there. This tends to standardize the photo process.

Not that I have a lot of them, but there is the MonoDont case, and the
Frankenstein befor and after case....    ;-)
SP

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Steven Bornfeld - 10 Aug 2005 03:03 GMT
>>>Keyword:  experience
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> Frankenstein befor and after case....    ;-)
> SP

    These days, I wonder if a standard release form would be adequate to
put a patient's photo in an album for general viewing.

Steve

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StovePipe - 10 Aug 2005 06:51 GMT
>       These days, I wonder if a standard release form would be adequate to
> put a patient's photo in an album for general viewing.
>
> Steve

Don't forget, you see only their mouths, like the postings we put up for
the SMD
SP
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StovePipe - 10 Aug 2005 01:10 GMT
>       Of course, they should not present themselves as "specialists" in the
> sense of having been certified.  But the good thing for me is that if I
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> Steve

We could be developing before/after photo journals for demonstrating
what we are capable of doing.

Then the patient could have a better idea if s/he wants me or the guy
with all the ultra-modern bells and whistles down the road (say about
220 feet....)

SP
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