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WSJ:  Common Industrial Chemicals In Tiny Doses Raise Health Issue

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Ilena Rose - 26 Jul 2005 04:17 GMT
Note from Ilena:  I am in total shock ... year 2005 and the Wall
Street Journal is reporting this. I finally have some hope that the
issue of Multiple Chemical Sensitivies comes out of the dark ages ...
and into the light. The junkscience.com/ACSH.org / quackwatch.com
reporting on MCS has been over distributed and is proving more wrong
all the time. This article definitely shines a bright light on many
emerging issues.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

July 25, 2005

Common Industrial Chemicals In Tiny Doses Raise Health Issue

Advanced Tests Often Detect Subtle Biological Effects; Are Standards
Too Lax?
Getting in Way of Hormones
By PETER WALDMAN
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

For years, scientists have struggled to explain rising rates of some
cancers and childhood brain disorders. Something about modern living
has driven a steady rise of certain maladies, from breast and prostate
cancer to autism and learning disabilities.

One suspect now is drawing intense scrutiny: the prevalence in the
environment of certain industrial chemicals at extremely low levels. A
growing body of animal research suggests to some scientists that even
minute traces of some chemicals, always assumed to be biologically
insignificant, can affect such processes as gene activation and the
brain development of newborns.

An especially striking finding: It appears that some substances may
have effects at the very lowest exposures that are absent at higher
levels.

Some scientists, many of them in industry, dismiss such concerns. But
the new science of low-dose exposure is challenging centuries of
accepted wisdom about toxic substances and rattling the foundation of
environmental law.

Modern pollution restrictions aim to limit exposures to levels past
studies have found safe. For example, it's known mercury can cause
learning problems in children if it's above 58 parts per billion in
the
bloodstream. Dividing 58 by 10 to provide a margin of safety, U.S.
regulators advise that children and young women not accumulate more
than 5.8 parts per billion of mercury, by limiting consumption of
certain fish such as tuna.

But what if it turned out some common substances have essentially no
safe exposure levels at all? That was ultimately what the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency concluded about lead after studying
its
effects on children for decades. Indications some other chemicals may
have no safe limits have led regulators in Europe and Japan to bar the
use of certain compounds in toys and in objects used to serve food. In
the U.S., federal scientists are devising new tests that could be used
to screen thousands of common chemicals to make sure they're safe at
extremely low exposures.

Using advanced lab techniques, scientists have found that with some
chemicals, traces as minute as mere parts per trillion have biological
effects. That's one-millionth of the smallest traces even measurable
three decades ago, when many of today's environmental laws were
written. With some of these chemicals, such trace levels exist in the
blood and urine of the general population.

Some chemical traces appear to have greater effects in combination
than
singly, another challenge to traditional toxicology, which tests
things
individually.

The human body is complex, and effects seen in tests on small
laboratory animals and in human cells don't necessarily mean health
risks to people. "The question is what do we do about these low levels
once we know they're there," says Steve Hentges of the American
Plastics Council, a trade association.

For their part, companies and industry groups have attacked low-dose
research as alarmist and are challenging the findings with scientific
studies of their own. Some industry studies have contradicted the
low-dose findings of university and government labs. One reason, says
Rochelle Tyl, a toxicologist who does rodent studies on contract for
industry groups, is that academics seek "to find out if a chemical has
an intrinsic capacity to do harm," while industry scientists try to
measure actual dangers to people.

The result is that low-dose research has sparked a number of heated
scientific and regulatory controversies:

· Tiny doses of bisphenol A, which is used in polycarbonate plastic
baby bottles and in resins that line food cans, have been found to
alter brain structure, neurochemistry, behavior, reproduction and
immune response in animals. Makers and users of the chemical maintain,
citing a Harvard review of 19 studies, that the chemical is harmless
to
humans at such levels.

· Minute levels of phthalates, which are used in toys, building
materials, drug capsules, cosmetics and perfumes, have been
statistically linked to sperm damage in men and genital changes,
asthma
and allergies in children. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention has detected comparable levels in Americans' urine.
Manufacturers say there is no reliable evidence that phthalates cause
any health problems.

· A chemical used in munitions, called perchlorate, is known to
inhibit production of thyroid hormone, which children need for brain
development. The chemical has been detected in drinking-water supplies
in 35 states, as well as in fruits, vegetables and breast milk. The
EPA
has spent years mulling what is a safe level in drinking water. The
Defense Department and weapons makers maintain it is harmless at much
higher doses than those that Americans ingest.

· The weed killer atrazine has been linked to sexual malformations in
frogs that were exposed to water containing just 1/30th as much
atrazine as the EPA regards as safe in human drinking water. The
herbicide's main manufacturer, Syngenta AG, says other studies prove
atrazine is safe. The EPA favors more study.

With so much still unknown, regulators are proceeding on different
tracks in different countries. Japan's government designates about 70
chemicals as potential "endocrine disruptors" -- substances that may,
at tiny doses, interfere with hormonal signals that regulate human
organ development, metabolism and other functions. Japan has just
completed a $135 million research push on endocrine disruptors,
including setting up a national research center. The Japanese
government also has banned certain phthalates in food handlers' gloves
and containers, after detecting them in food. One manufacturer,
Fujitsu
Ltd., has pledged to phase out its use of most suspected endocrine
disruptors over coming years.

The European Union has banned some kinds of phthalates in cosmetics
and
toys, and it is considering a ban on nearly all phthalates in
household
goods and medical devices. The EU also is planning to require new
safety tests for thousands of industrial chemicals, many of which
already exist in people's bodies at trace levels. Industry, which
would
have to bear the cost of proving countless current products safe, is
fighting the measures, calling them a massive unnecessary burden.

In the U.S., there are divisions within the government. The White
House
plays down the issue, saying the low-dose hypothesis is unproved. But
many federal scientists and regulators at the EPA and Health and Human
Services Department are forging ahead with new methods for assessing
possible low-dose dangers. Legislatures in two states, California and
New York, are considering bills that would ban use of certain
phthalates in toys, child-care products and cosmetics, while a
California bill would restrict bisphenol A.

Earliest Concerns

One of the early scientists to focus on possible low-dose risks was
biologist Theo Colborn of the World Wildlife Fund. Studying the
decline
of certain birds, mammals and fish in the upper Midwest, Dr. Colborn
spotted some patterns: Species that struggled to survive in the
industrialized Great Lakes thrived in inland areas that were less
polluted. And some offspring in more-polluted regions had gender
abnormalities, such as feminized sex organs in males. She theorized
that trace amounts of chemicals in the environment were disrupting
hormones.

Dr. Colborn and colleagues popularized low-dose concerns in a series
of
conferences, articles and a best-selling 1996 book called "Our Stolen
Future." That year the EPA asked an outside advisory panel to consider
ways of screening industrial chemicals for hormonal effects, a process
still incomplete.

In 2000, a separate EPA-organized panel, after reviewing 49 studies,
said some hormonally active chemicals affect animals at doses as low
as
the "background levels" to which the general human population is
subject. The panel said the health implications weren't clear but
urged
the EPA to revisit its regulatory procedures to make sure such
chemicals are tested in animals at appropriately small doses.

The EPA hesitated. It responded in 2002 that "until there is an
improved scientific understanding of the low-dose hypothesis, EPA
believes that it would be premature to require routine testing of
substances for low-dose effects."

The Bush administration's regulatory czar, John Graham --
administrator
of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs at the White House
Office of Management and Budget -- later publicly dismissed as
unproven
the idea that the hormonal system could be disrupted by multiple
low-dose exposures to industrial chemicals. For the past two years,
the
administration has proposed funding cuts for EPA research on suspected
endocrine disrupters, but Congress has kept the funding roughly level
at about $10 million a year.

Since the review panel met in 2000, scientists have published more
than
100 peer-reviewed articles reporting further low-dose effects in
living
animals and in human cells. These findings are generating some early
insights in the thorny process of translating laboratory data into
conclusions about human health.

Less Is More

One of the most provocative is that some hormonally active chemicals
seem to have more effects at extremely low exposures than at higher
ones. This challenges an axiom of toxicology stated by the Swiss
chemist Paracelsus nearly 500 years ago: The dose makes the poison.

Toxicologists traditionally derive risk by exposing rodents to
chemicals to find the lowest dose that leads to tumors, birth defects
or other readily observable effects. Regulators then divide the
highest
"no-observable-effect" dose by an "uncertainty factor" -- anywhere
from
10 to 1,000 -- to set a maximum human exposure they can be confident
is
safe.

But now researchers have found chemicals that have hormonal effects on
lab animals and on human cells in much tinier amounts than their
standard no-observable-effect levels. And with some of these
chemicals,
as the tiny doses given to animals are increased, the effects recede.
Then, at much higher levels, broad systemic impacts appear, such as
reduced body weight.

An example is bisphenol A, or BPA, the ingredient in polycarbonate
baby
bottles and food-can linings. It evidently is widespread in the
environment. In the U.S., the CDC has found traces of it in 95% of
urine samples tested. In Japan, researchers have detected BPA in fetal
amniotic fluid and the umbilical cords of newborns.

Studying BPA in rats in 1988, the EPA concluded the lowest exposure
with an "observed adverse effect" was 50 milligrams a day per kilogram
of body weight (one kilogram = 2.2 pounds). Dividing 50 by an
uncertainty factor of 1,000, the agency set a daily safe limit for
humans of 0.05 milligrams of BPA per kilogram of body weight. Since
then, however, academic scientists in several countries have done more
than 90 studies that have found BPA effects on animals and human cell
cultures from exposures well below this level.

The EPA used a relatively crude measure of the chemical's effects:
changes in rodents' body weights. The new studies looked at subtler,
hormone-related effects. Some studies found changes in rodents'
reproductive organs and brains at doses as low as 0.002 milligram per
kilogram of body weight per day. That is just one-25,000th the dose
that the EPA said was the lowest exposure having an observable adverse
effect.

Disrupting Hormones

Seeking to explain this pattern, scientists cite the endocrine
system's
exquisite sensitivity. Animals and humans secrete infinitesimal
amounts
of various hormones, such as estrogen, that trigger responses when
they
occupy special receptors on the cells of various organs. BPA is among
numerous chemicals that can mimic estrogen by occupying cells'
estrogen
receptors. When they do this at critical phases of development, the
chemicals can trigger unnatural biological responses, such as brain
and
reproductive abnormalities.

At higher doses, however, BPA and other endocrine disruptors --
instead
of triggering the unnatural responses -- appear to overwhelm the
receptors. That explains, scientists say, why some chemicals seem to
have more potent hormonal effects at very low doses than at higher
ones.

Mr. Hentges of the American Plastics Council says studies show BPA is
harmless at the tiny levels to which humans are exposed. In 2001 the
plastics council agreed to pay Harvard's Center for Risk Analysis,
part
of the Harvard School of Public Health, $600,000 to review BPA
studies.
The 10 panelists found "no consistent affirmative evidence of low-dose
BPA effects" on the basis of 19 studies that were selected by April
2002 for review.

However, many more BPA studies kept coming out, and when the center
published its report last fall, three of the 10 panelists declined to
be listed as authors. "There are other papers published after the
'cut-off' date that the panel did not review that may have altered
their conclusions," says one of the three, Paul Foster of the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. A fourth, Claude Hughes of
Quintiles Transnational Corp., a pharmaceutical consulting firm,
signed
but made the same point in a journal commentary criticizing the report
and calling for a new EPA risk assessment. The Harvard risk center's
executive director, George Gray, acknowledges that a "torrent of new
papers on BPA" may have made it impossible for the panel to review
everything by its deadline.

The plastics council's Mr. Hentges says his group reviews all studies
on BPA and believes none have changed the basic conclusion of the
Harvard report. "We continue to believe that the weight of evidence
indicates BPA poses no risk to human health," he says.

Chemicals in Combination

Environmental chemicals don't exist in isolation. People are exposed
to
many different ones in trace amounts. So scientists at the University
of London checked a mixture. They tested the hormonal strength of a
blend of 11 common chemicals that can mimic estrogen.

Alone, each was very weak. But when scientists mixed low doses of all
11 in a solution with natural estrogen -- thus simulating the chemical
cocktail that's inside the human body today -- they found the hormonal
strength of natural estrogen was doubled. Such an effect inside the
body could disrupt hormonal action.

"In isolation, the contribution of individual [estrogen-like
chemicals]
at the concentrations found in wildlife and human tissues will always
be small," wrote the scientists, led by Andreas Kortenkamp, who
directs
research on endocrine disruptors for the EU. But because such
compounds
are so widespread in the environment, the researchers concluded, the
cumulative effect on the human endocrine system is "likely to be very
large."

To test chemicals, toxicologists traditionally dose animals with a
single substance and then dissect them. But this method can't spot the
subtle effects associated with today's multiple exposures to low-dose
chemicals, says John Bucher, of the National Institute of
Environmental
Health Sciences.

Now he and his boss, Christopher Portier, are revamping the federal
government's National Toxicology Program, which sets standards for how
chemicals are tested. Over about seven years, they hope to develop a
series of lab tests that will ultimately screen some 100,000
industrial
compounds, individually and in mixtures, for biochemical "markers"
such
as effects on specific genes.

The chemicals then will be ranked by mechanism of action and suspected
toxicity, and assigned priorities for further study. "It's taken us 25
years and $2 billion to study 900 chemicals," Dr. Portier says. "If
this works, we can study 15,000 in a year."
Peter Meiers - 26 Jul 2005 05:38 GMT
Ilena Rose schrieb:

> An especially striking finding: It appears that some substances may
> have effects at the very lowest exposures that are absent at higher
> levels.

I´m sure that some people will tell you of an effective remedy: raise
exposure levels and everything will be OK.  :-(

Best,
Peter

--- History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation: ---
--- http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm ---
wc - 26 Jul 2005 12:05 GMT
Peter Meiers:

PLEASE stop your crossposting.  You and many many many others have
almost destroyed the Nurses Newgroup.

If you are sincere, you know better than this.  Whatever, you'll be
added to my killfile as have hundreds of others.

Shame on you.

Will, crna
(anesthetist)
Ilena Rose - 26 Jul 2005 16:05 GMT
I can't for the life of me figure out why a nurse would be uninterested
in understanding the unfolding of the controversy over chemicals and
health ...

I am close to many, many nurses who are open to learning ... nurses are
the ones closest to the patients and their ills ...

God help your patients if being exposed to this information 'destroys'
your 'group.'
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 26 Jul 2005 14:59 GMT
> Ilena Rose schrieb:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Best,
> Peter

    Or, the old standby--get a stronger rat.

Steve

> --- History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation: ---
> --- http://www.fluoride-history.de/index.htm ---

Signature

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Vaughn - 26 Jul 2005 11:19 GMT
> Note from Ilena:

    Just a bit more off-topic blast-posted sh.t from the Ilena-bot!  Have you
no shame?

Vaughn
Ilena Rose - 26 Jul 2005 16:40 GMT
So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
small amounts??

> > Note from Ilena:
>
>      Just a bit more off-topic blast-posted sh.t from the Ilena-bot!  Have you
> no shame?
>
> Vaughn
clintonz@prodigy.net - 26 Jul 2005 18:32 GMT
> So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
> learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
> small amounts??

Learning about the information in small amounts? or that the
chemicals are in small amounts?

Indeed very small amounts of information can be very harmful!
That was one of my biggest concerns about Joels posts and why
I think it was appropriate he was banned.

Let's see, small amounts of toxic chemicals....dentistry
small amounts of toxic chemicals....dentistry

Nope. Sorry ....but, I cannot see a connection!

Except, this does however vindicate what people have said about x-rays
all along. YOu see turns out that those in the sun most frequently are
least likely to get skin cancer. Similary the occasional dose of dental
x-rays and Hg from the environment may be FAR MORE HARMFUL than
receiving regular x-rays and daily shots
of Hg from amalgam. At least that is if the ADA has anything to say
about it!
clintonz@prodigy.net - 26 Jul 2005 19:35 GMT
> So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
> learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
> small amounts??

Ilena, PLEASE do not tell the dentists that many chemicals are
less toxic in larger amounts. Thanks
W_B - 26 Jul 2005 20:23 GMT
>> So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
>> learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
>> small amounts??
>
>Ilena, PLEASE do not tell the dentists that many chemicals are
>less toxic in larger amounts. Thanks

Reverse Hopeopathy ?

Interesing.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Ilena Rose - 27 Jul 2005 05:16 GMT
>think it was appropriate he was banned.

Joel was banned?

How did that happen?

Who banned him?

Thanks.
Steven Fawks - 27 Jul 2005 14:19 GMT
Joel wasn't banned.  Crazy J got him bounced from
his ISP by saving a bunch of stuff and and cutting
and pasting it in a way that made it look like Joel was
violating his terms of service.  He just hasn't come
back to smd much since.

Typical internet terrorism.

Fawks

>>think it was appropriate he was banned.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thanks.
Ilena Rose - 27 Jul 2005 15:07 GMT
I recall some years ago when Joel took Ms Drew's name and used it for
his own alias ...

I have also had that done to me several times by a wacko woman working
with a silicone manufacturer ... she would bulk email hate mail under
my name ... it was extremely unsettling.

When I heard that Joel had done that to Ms Drew it made me respect him
much less.

Some people do things on the internet that they probably wouldn't do in
person (for example, I doubt if Joel would wear a Ms Drew mask and
pretend to be her in 'real lifel' )

It's not really so different though ...

Joel is also connected with the maniacs at the quackwatch/healthfraud
group ... they do many things using disguises that are abominable and
harm people's lifes ...

I recently read of an Pharma Attorney for the Vac Machine that got
caught terrorizing a discussing group on autism ... pretending to be a
'parent' when he was a paid lawyer for the Vacs ...

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/quackbustersvsilena.htm
Steven Fawks - 27 Jul 2005 16:54 GMT
> Some people do things on the internet that they probably wouldn't do in
> person (for example, I doubt if Joel would wear a Ms Drew mask and
> pretend to be her in 'real lifel' )
>
> It's not really so different though ...

It was more like me wearing a Richard Nixon mask at Halloween.  There
was no pretense to actually be Crazy J.  It was sarcasm pure and
simple.  That person dominated smd with hate, bad advice, religious
slurs, and virtually nothing constructive.  Joel was protesting.

Most crusaders don't understand it when everyone else doesn't agree
with them.

Fawks
Ilena Rose - 27 Jul 2005 17:42 GMT
I disagree ... posting under your enemies name is not a joke ...

I had it done to me and I guarantee you ... it was no laughing matter
... and not 'sarcasm' ...

Joel was very wrong to do that ...
carabelli - 27 Jul 2005 18:39 GMT
> I disagree ... posting under your enemies name is not a joke ...
>
> I had it done to me and I guarantee you ... it was no laughing matter
> ... and not 'sarcasm' ...
>
> Joel was very wrong to do that ...

Nope, Fawks had it right.  Obviously you are totally unfamiliar with the
particular situation.  It would be similair to me posting as Ilena Petunia.
Nobody except a complete idiot thought it was JD.
Nana Weedkiller - 27 Jul 2005 20:01 GMT
>> I disagree ... posting under your enemies name is not a joke ...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> particular situation.  It would be similair to me posting as Ilena
> Petunia. Nobody except a complete idiot thought it was JD.

Yes, it was really hard to distinguish between Joel and Jan; especially
when Joel signed his posts "FAKE JAN".
I know I had to have someone explain it to me.
Ilena Rose - 27 Jul 2005 21:13 GMT
Here are the posts that Joel Eichen posted using Jan Drew's name ... as
cute as Ratbags Nidiffer finds this to be ... I find it appaling.
Ratbags Nidiffer's fellow Posse member Susan Schaezler used my name to
spam my support group ... it's repulsive.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/nanaweedkiller.htm

http://www.ratbags.com/posse/whoarewe.htm#Willa

More FACTS about Mercury Amalgams
http://www.mercuryfilling.com/ Mercy Jan ... thank you so much for
telling everyone
that their dentist is poisoning them with metal. This is so helpful.
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 5:46 am by Jan - 8 messages - 5
authors

Deep cleaning for $1200 - fraud?
Hi, I just went to the first of two deep cleaning sessions with my new
dentist. I was really amazed when I had to pay a copayment ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 21 2002, 7:05 am by Jan - 6 messages - 5
authors

Gold and Mercury
From: Mike Williams (100755...@compuserve.com) Subject: Gold and
Mercury Newsgroups:
alt.health.dental-amalgam View: (This is the only article in this
thread ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 19 2002, 4:32 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1
author

IS STAR TREK ANTI-SEMITIC ?
Its pronounced Star-Dreck and few people are aware that those
spaceships have foot
pedals that you press when you want to jettison the contents of the
loo. ...
alt.politics.bush - Jun 26 2002, 6:37 pm by Jan - 96 messages - 47
authors

filling removal
hi my dentist says that its more dangerous to remove amalgam than leave
it in palce
is this so or is he bullshitting me mark ***** My dentist has a unique
...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 19 2002, 1:04 pm by Jan - 4 messages -
4 authors

Enron - Worldcom-Phillip Morris-ADA
Try and spot the difference? Okayyyyyy..... The first three cooked the
books and the fourth is either the American Disabilities ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 5:32 am by Jan - 5 messages - 3
authors

Bonding Composit with black bacterial coating
You may be referring to sclerotic dentin formation. There is some
feelings
particularly from some respected dentists and researchers ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 6:02 am by Jan - 4 messages - 4
authors

GREAT book on Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment!
Misposted. Should have been sent to:
alt.fetish.rubber.bodyrubber.strange
Usenet Goon Squad ***** From: critter (critter@prontomail ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 20 2002, 4:31 am by Jan - 1 message - 1
author

Re Mercury Falling
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) Subject:
Re: Re Mercury
Falling Date: 14 Jun 2002 02:21:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 14 2002, 7:14 am by Jan - 18 messages - 7
authors

What is best way to whiten a root canal tooth?
They died when the root canal was done. http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/
RCTframeset.htm http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 16 2002, 7:21 am by Jan - 12 messages - 7
authors

A vision of a reborn China
No Jew$ just destroy and cheat from all ideas. REPLY: Chinese culture
is around
4,000 years old. This means for the first thousand years ..... ...
soc.culture.asian.american - Jun 26 2002, 6:43 pm by Jan - 9 messages -
7 authors

Tattoo and Keloid
Question: I have a tattoo on my arm which became a keloid. I want to
cover
it up with another tattoo. Will the new one keloid and ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 10:41 am by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Biting Tongue at Night
I have a problem in that as I am falling to sleep I occasionally bite
the side of
my tongue, the pain then wakes me up, sometimes I can stop my mouth
from ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 26 2002, 5:02 am by Jan - 5 messages - 4
authors

Temporary filling question
news:<ui2hfbbok7f...@corp.supernews.com>... If you have a large cavity
and the dentist puts in medicine (don't know the name of ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 2 2002, 3:16 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2 authors

Telephone Tooth
jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
news:<20020701221254.25449.00001241@
mb-mi.aol.com>... Thus JanDrew spaketh ..... All ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 2 2002, 3:20 am by Jan - 46 messages - 14
authors

TERRORISM DEFINED
For the obvious reasons the American lawmakers who are on Israel's
payroll refer
to all killing of Israelis as "Terrorism", and to all killings of
Palestinians ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 4:18 am by Jan - 15 messages - 7
authors

Judaism's contribution to the world
zyc...@aol.com (ZYCLNB) wrote in message news gave birth to
christianity,
islam, reverend moon, and bagels. okay, bagels are okay. ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 24 2002, 5:05 am by Jan - 7 messages - 6
authors

A whole what?????
From: Kip King (wodi...@cox.net) Subject: Re: advice request
Newsgroups:
alt.health.dental-amalgam View this article only Date: 2002-04-28
11:38:44 PST Hi, ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 19 2002, 1:10 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1
author

singles looking for jewish hearts !
http://www.jewishhearts.com ! REPLY: Cool! If it were "Palestinians
looking
for jewish hearts," I'd be very worried. No telling ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 4:39 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2
authors

Kosher
Is it the 'koshering' process that makes it bad? How do you make wine
kosher?
interestingly, no. http://www.gemsinisrael.com/e_article000033155 ...

rec.arts.bodyart - Jul 1 2002, 5:27 pm by Jan - 767 messages - 61
authors

A possible solution...cut off the purse strings from terror
Toi eradicate the terror, simply eradicate Israel and Israelis! REPLY
FROM
FAKEJAN Sure ..... Give those nations billions in oil ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 4:03 am by Jan - 6 messages - 5
authors

Please post dental accounting software
From: NoM...@this.com (NoM...@this.com) Subject: Req: Please post
dental accounting
software Newsgroups: alt.health.dental-amalgam View: (This is the only
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 20 2002, 4:19 am by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Engineers develop the 'tooth phone'
I got one already and when I do not want to be bothered I
call forward the messages to my kidney. Fake Jan
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 21 2002, 7:07 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2
authors

Dental Hygiene Education issues
Jan, Where did you find this? It's an excellent statement of the issues
in dental hygiene regulation. The ADA has been trying to ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 1 2002, 5:15 pm by Jan - 15 messages - 6
authors

interesting website for professionals and non-professionals
A friend sent me this URL today. It's a site built by a British
dentist.
Lots of interesting info. Pat Buss RDH REPLY: It is called ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 1 2002, 5:11 pm by Jan - 2 messages - 2 authors

Missez Drew: Fake or Real?
Fake Missez Drew replies: I just realized that there is someone here
with
a very similar name to mine! I am the Fake Missez Drew ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 16 2002, 10:11 am by Jan - 2 messages - 1
author

SOMEBODY BLEW UP AMERICA
jhert...@ix.netcom.com (Joseph Hertzlinger) wrote in message
news:<af8gj4$972$6@
nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>... Re: SOMEBODY BLEW UP AMERICA REPLY: It is
so. ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 4:38 am by Jan - 18 messages - 10
authors

an abundance of Steves
There was a song .... "Too Many Steves ..... Too Little Time ....) Fake
Jan
I think that Mancuso is really a "Stephen". I am actually ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 20 2002, 4:37 am by Jan - 9 messages - 6
authors

tmj - nti devices
For anyone that is overly concerned or perhaps mentally impaired, I
recommend
that whole-heartedly. -) Fawks One thing that could ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 17 2002, 4:51 am by Jan - 94 messages - 14
authors

FBI Says All Library Patrons Are Terrorists
FBI Begins Visiting Libraries
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37774-
2002Jun24.html So much for going to the library and reading a book. ...

soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 4:23 am by Jan - 5 messages - 5
authors

6 month checkup question
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: x...@hotmail.com (XQJ37) Subject: 6
month checkup
question Date: 17 Jun 2002 16:59:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 18 2002, 3:36 am by Jan - 8 messages - 6
authors

JEW SMELL
What do you shove up your a.s for breakfast? REPLY: Sir ... let me be
the
first to offer you kindest Kudos. I have rarely seen such ...
soc.culture.usa - Jun 25 2002, 3:53 am by Jan - 8 messages - 6 authors

Haaretz defends Turner and CNN
www . haaretzdaily . com HAARETZ: "If Ted Turner wants to act like an
ignorant
a-hole, we defend his right be do so." JDREW (Fake)
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 3:56 am by Jan - 5 messages - 5
authors

Just then he shouted, "I have installed my last amalgam."
Hong Kong Dentist Commits Suicide. Overburdened by too much
guilt from placing many amalgams. **** This ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 2 2002, 5:48 am by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

How to best find new dentist in Bklyn, NY
You should consider coming to the Stony Brook Dental School clinic. We
are a short
train ride or drive from Brooklyn. An initial exam is $35. ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 26 2002, 4:49 am by Jan - 19 messages - 13
authors

Jan Drew and metal
From: Jan (jdrew63...@aol.com) Subject: Re: Mercury damages nerve cells
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative View: Complete Thread (20 articles) | Original
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 27 2002, 4:29 am by Jan - 9 messages - 6
authors

Dental implant for feeding mother?
Ah yes ... with people living longer and longer these days, we have to
deal with
the ravages of Alzheimer's, senile dementia, and just plain crankiness.
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 26 2002, 5:09 am by Jan - 4 messages - 4
authors

Help Filtering; Jan vs. Fake Jan
jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) > Uh huh, he picked up on that to cover
himself,
he did not do that in the beginning. He is doing it for ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 21 2002, 7:15 am by Jan - 17 messages - 8
authors

Dentists and physicians are in denial
More people need good alt treatment because doctors are in denial.
Please
see this EXCELLENT advice, especially the part about turning ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 23 2002, 2:29 am by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Did anyone in smd send this to me?
It could be that sneaky klez virus that is still around and mutating.
Check
your Symantec updates frequently. REPLY: The klez virus ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 21 2002, 7:24 am by Jan - 6 messages - 4
authors

Animals found mutilated and drained of blood. - A piercing story
Frightened farmers claimed to have seen bright lights and UFOs in the
area
where the deaths occurred. What was never explained was ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jul 2 2002, 3:54 am by Jan - 15 messages - 7 authors

how much should it cost for oral surgeon?
"snow" <dless...@prexar.com> wrote in message Re: how much should it
cost
for oral surgeon? Fake Jan writes: Hello Snow! Why on ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 21 2002, 6:54 am by Jan - 5 messages - 4
authors

Dentists committing suicide?
A recent study shows that 74% of the dentists committing suicide also
regularly
accept patients from Delta Dental while only 14% of the still-living
dentists do ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 20 2002, 4:26 am by Jan - 1 message - 1
author

blown weekend
I recently acquired some ectasy pills in the southern Ontario area.
I've never seen
them before and haven't been able to find them on safedance or
ecstasy.org. ...
alt.drugs.ecstasy - Jun 23 2002, 1:49 pm by Jan - 6 messages - 5
authors

Abscessed Teeth
It seems very unusual that since New Years, three of us middle agers
have
all come down with our very first abscessed teeth. Has ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 19 2002, 5:04 am by Jan - 8 messages - 6
authors

What makes someone a Nazi?
Jews teach the same monstrosities in their schools! So don't think for
a
minute that Palestinians are the only ones. There are lots ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 23 2002, 2:53 pm by Jan - 14 messages - 6
authors

Seeking e-mail support group for TMJ
Hi everyone, I know someone with severe TMJ pain, and I am wondering if
anyone can
point me to a good e-mail support group for this disorder, preferably
one ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 11:05 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2
authors

Implant Pros and Cons
JackSF <jac...@asia.com> wrote in message
news:<3D194808.1FAA2...@asia.com>...
Implant pros are guys like Dave King and Stan Golosov. ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 29 2002, 8:40 am by Jan - 4 messages - 3
authors

what should i do?
I have always really been into tattoos, for as long as i can remember.
Recently
at work, one of my best friends announced she was taking an
aprenticeship. ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jun 30 2002, 10:37 am by Jan - 7 messages - 6
authors

tea effects
please help me? what is the effects of tea or chamellia on dental
carvies?
REPLY: Oh tea makes dental carvies grow big! And Chamellia ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 11:07 am by Jan - 3 messages - 3
authors

Nonsense
I believe the show was "Welcome Back KOTTER" :) 2thnurse Dear Cindi,
Yup, but someone
who inserts Gelfoam and sutures can be called "Klotter." Of course, Jan
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 23 2002, 11:49 am by Jan - 10 messages - 7
authors

Bonding Composit with bleading gums
"Mike" <no.s...@please.com> wrote in message
news:<nS7S8.30364$rX.5353339@e420r-
atl1.usenetserver.com>... TYPO CORRECTED: It is actually spelled
bleating gums. ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 29 2002, 8:34 am by Jan - 8 messages - 7
authors

Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?
What??? Does this mean the American MEDICAL Association is also in
denial
along with the American Dental Association? This says ...
alt.health - Jun 20 2002, 4:11 am by Jan - 42 messages - 15 authors

The patient's experiences
Well I just can't seem to type or proof read today. It may have
something
to do with being distracted by an umbrella cockatoo sitting ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 16 2002, 10:15 am by Jan - 24 messages - 9
authors

"Show us your tits!"
[snip] My left nipple is now considerably larger than my right, fwiw.
You're not alone. My left nip has been done twice (once horiz ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jun 30 2002, 10:58 am by Jan - 4 messages - 4
authors

DAMS in the UK ?
"Vaughn Simon" <vaughnsimonHATESS...@att.net> wrote in message
news:<EEtQ8.
46576$LC3.3550...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 21 2002, 7:20 am by Jan - 6 messages -
4 authors

Japanese Abacus Math School
Japanese Abacus Math School " The Art of Mental Calculation"
www.jamsportland.com What is mental calculation, anyway? ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jul 2 2002, 3:27 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2 authors

Vent: Advice on possible cause for continuing pain?
jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message All very good questions and
thoughts.
Wish I had all the answers. Just one point, I haven ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 29 2002, 8:44 am by Jan - 17 messages - 9
authors

Women move over 4 girls
Guys I'm going to tell my women that I'm going to bring home at least
two or three
young girls to help out around the house when she is not up to doing
all the ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jun 23 2002, 1:36 pm by Jan - 9 messages - 4 authors

Advice on possible cause for continuing pain?
If you scroll down just a little on the following site there is a
picture showing
how referred pain from your temporal muscle may mimic tootache:
http://www ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 5:48 am by Jan - 4 messages - 2
authors

I do not have a clue about ..... "Mercury detox proctology... ".
What is "Mercury detox proctology... ?? Fake Jan PS- I think I had it
and
I do feel better and better. **** From: Hector (tristan2k ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 19 2002, 1:25 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Anyone recommend a mercury 'detox in a box' product?
Charcoal tablets (can take several at a time as they're non toxic. Sun
Chlorella.
Going this route isn't overnight but constant use will do it for you.
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 29 2002, 8:46 am by Jan - 7 messages - 6
authors

Hairy Balls
If your wife has balls you are gay and couldn't really be married. Give
us
a break and don't post messages like this to the wrong lists. ...
alt.aquaria - Jun 30 2002, 10:49 am by Jan - 6 messages - 6 authors

Local Telephone Company Assigns Same Number to Two Households
MERCY! That is nothing! Can you imagine that Yahoo and AOL both
assigned the
same e-mail name to two different people? And I was first. ...
comp.dcom.telecom - Jun 30 2002, 3:23 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Bill Gates complains to the Newpaper Guild and Yahoo!
"There are too many instances of people impersonating me and now I am
really
mad," claimed Bill Gates of Redmond Washington. ""Anything ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 18 2002, 4:00 am by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

New tattoo - old man
I have seen people get tattoos well into they're 80's which means I got
alot of time left. P. REPLY: Yup ninety year old ladies ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jun 26 2002, 5:20 am by Jan - 11 messages - 8
authors

huge question
"JOD2427" wrote ... IF I GOT MY TONGUE PIERCED AND DONT WANT MY DAD TO
SEE IT AFTER TWO WEEKS CAN I CHANGE IT TO A CLEAR PLUG OR ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jun 30 2002, 10:46 am by Jan - 10 messages - 9
authors

Filling Question
"Tear It All Down" <zyklonNOSPAMbzom...@hotmail.com> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag
news:7UFG8.1074$ih1.826@nwrddc04.gnilink.net... I went ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 19 2002, 1:06 pm by Jan - 3 messages -
3 authors

Coffee Enemas
From: pixfix (pix...@ywave.com) Subject: Re: Amalgam Illness
Newsgroups:
alt.health.dental-amalgam View this article only Date: 2002-04-26
02:14:25 PST I ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 19 2002, 4:29 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1
author

I'm so ill
From: nicholas odonovan (nick1...@nodonovan.freeserve.co.uk) Subject:
I'm so ill
Newsgroups: alt.health.dental-amalgam View: (This is the only article
in this ...
alt.health.dental-amalgam - Jun 19 2002, 1:28 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1
author

Is it possible?
I was wondering, can you get a Apadravya if you already have a prince
albert?
Yes. I know that they basically use the same bottom hole. ...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jun 23 2002, 1:40 pm by Jan - 7 messages - 5 authors

LISTEN TO MY SHOW
BTW- JEWS STINK http://members.odinsrage.com/vbs/radioshow.html *****
In
a recent poll. 64% of Orthodox Rabbis admitted that they ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 24 2002, 4:57 am by Jan - 4 messages - 4
authors

gum surgery
hmm, i see doc in 2 weeks... any one got any advice or experience ..
Sure ... I
Recommend a one month vacation in Hawaii as substitute ..... and mercy.
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 29 2002, 8:39 am by Jan - 5 messages - 3
authors

Wisconsin Dentist Measures Electrical Potentials in Metal ...
Bring back the good old days when Wisconsin dentists tested their
dentures by asking
the patient to "Say cheese," instead of, "Say Mississippi." They tested
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 26 2002, 5:22 am by Jan - 7 messages - 4
authors

Health Canada Stumped on Amalgam?
I am currently waiting for a reply to an enquiry concerning the
thermoelectric
properties of dental amalgams made to Philip Neufeld, Ph.D., Manager,
Device ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 10:23 am by Jan - 14 messages - 7
authors

This Muslim is ONE SICK BITCH
These Palestinian mothers produce an average of a dozen kids.
Sacrificing
say, half of them with a kill ratio of 10 to 1, and assuming ...
soc.culture.jewish - Jun 25 2002, 4:33 am by Jan - 134 messages - 42
authors

Investing as a student
I am currently a third year dental student set to graduate in 2004.
Upon
graduation I will have amassed approximately $100,000 in ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 26 2002, 4:46 am by Jan - 6 messages - 5
authors

Local orthodontist sued over horrible result!
See for yourself. Jan Drew (Fake one) Before picture:
http://www.foxnews.
com/images/59478/0_21_175_cruise_tom.jpg After picture: http ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 2 2002, 3:47 am by Jan - 7 messages - 5 authors

Biting back ... ouch!
http://citypaper.net/articles/current/cover.shtml Biting Back Local
activists
say your mercury amalgam fillings could be poisoning you. ...
sci.med.dentistry - May 24 2002, 4:48 pm by Jan - 5 messages - 4
authors

Just got my Mama Meucci bill. They are in denial ....
Mercy! Those Canadians are in such denial. No wonder my Mama Meucci
bills
are so outrageous! I feel so sorry for those Canadians ..... ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 23 2002, 7:59 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2
authors

Vent: Advice on possible cause for continuing pain?
Confirmed by a panoramic x ray? The first time I had a cavitation
cleaned it
didn't show anything on the x-ray, I requested it be cleaned anyway.
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 23 2002, 6:33 am by Jan - 6 messages - 4
authors

Apparent Phenomena?!
Hi Carabelli, Most patients that had amalgams removed with composite
replacements
have died - waited too long Aah, amalgam *is* dangerous .... I knew it!
...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 1 2002, 5:10 pm by Jan - 9 messages - 7 authors

Bonding Composit with bleading gums.
Exactly the point that I was making on the last thread. *NO*
restoration
is meant to function with contaminated tooth structure. ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 5:55 am by Jan - 12 messages - 7
authors

Olson Twins are Bi
When you see them kiss each other you know they mean it and when there
off camera
they have sex in the open and not behind closed doors Are they the two
that ...
alt.genealogy - Jun 23 2002, 1:44 pm by Jan - 4 messages - 4 authors

Less flatulence after amalgam removal
Researcher looks to mute the musical fruit By JACK SULLIVAN Associated
Press FARGO - Sam Chang wants to mute the musical fruit. ...
sci.med.dentistry - May 24 2002, 5:42 pm by Jan - 6 messages - 6
authors

Dentist burns up $250 in drills per tooth!
Dentist burns up $250 in drills per tooth! "I'm not sure exactly how
many
but they were the bulk of the cost - approximately $250.00 ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 23 2002, 2:10 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Tom Cruise claims the US is terroristic ......
Fake Jan wrote. And cross-posted to both rab and sci.med.dentistry:
.... and he
wants NIC to raise their kids elsewhere, perhaps Australia. May I No.
...
rec.arts.bodyart - Jul 3 2002, 7:07 pm by Jan - 32 messages - 15
authors

Need help with mouth sore
I just developed some small sore areas at the back of my mouth. Its
very
near the tonsils' area. I took some pictures of it. I am ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 29 2002, 8:48 am by Jan - 2 messages - 2
authors

New Web Site Debuts -- Dental Watch
From: Mark Thorson nos...@sonic.net Date: 6/30/02 3:49 PM Pacific
Daylight Time
Message-id: <3D1F8B19.ACF27620@sonic.net> Nice and untruthful for those
who ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jul 1 2002, 5:19 pm by Jan - 11 messages - 7
authors

Apologies to Marsha
LAST POST: That was marshmallow not "marsha mallow." Now
I shut up before I get in bigger trouble.
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 26 2002, 5:04 am by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

Q: Changing views on restorations?
keith.p.wa...@btinternet.com (Keith P Walsh) wrote in message
news:<3d1e02ca.3734...@news.btinternet.com>... * REPLY BELOW ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 5:44 am by Jan - 5 messages - 5
authors

Poor man's chelation therapy
Selected message from thread From: maria (mari...@planet.nl) Subject:
Re: Mercury
Test Results Newsgroups: alt.health.dental-amalgam View this article
only Date ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 19 2002, 1:19 pm by Jan - 1 message - 1 author

I feel like an enabler.
Hey SMDers, One of the women I work with has suffered with migraines
for as long
as I've known her. REPLY: Happened with my friend Charlie too. ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 21 2002, 7:29 am by Jan - 7 messages - 4
authors

JEWISH FASCISTS
news:rhOR8.12097$_r5.5465898@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com... ISRAELI
DEFACATION
FORCE PRACTISES WORSE SAVAGERY AGAINST THE PALESTINIAN ...
soc.culture.egyptian - Jun 25 2002, 4:27 am by Jan - 10 messages - 7
authors

crack or tooth decay?
Is it some kind of crack or is it tooth decay? Do I need a root canal?
Thanks
for any information! Schedule an appointment with a dentist. ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 16 2002, 10:02 am by Jan - 6 messages - 6
authors

Can Porcelain inserts be drilled out?
If I get a porcelain insert in a deep cavity, can it be drilled out at
a later time? Or is the next step simply a crown? I hear ...
sci.med.dentistry - Jun 30 2002, 5:52 am by Jan - 3 messages - 3
authors
carabelli - 27 Jul 2005 22:17 GMT
> Here are the posts that Joel Eichen posted using Jan Drew's
name............

we've already seen them, you missed most of them

... as
> cute as Ratbags Nidiffer finds this to be ... I find it appaling.

I'm sure you do

> Ratbags Nidiffer's fellow Posse member Susan Schaezler used my name

irrelevant

I don't go to those other groups and don't have the time or interest to look
them up.  And of course all the names and lies JD had concerning Joel are
totally acceptable in your book.

bye bye

carabelli
Steven Fawks - 27 Jul 2005 21:34 GMT
I would go further to state that Joel has probably annoyed and
irritated each and every one of us that remain on smd at one
time or another.  That is not an excuse to make up a bunch of
charges to cause him grief with his ISP.

It was a lowlife act of internet terrorism.  If that person had
any credibility before, it was certainly lost.

Fawks

> Yes, it was really hard to distinguish between Joel and Jan; especially
> when Joel signed his posts "FAKE JAN".
> I know I had to have someone explain it to me.
clintonz@prodigy.net - 28 Jul 2005 17:11 GMT
It would be similair to me posting as Ilena Petunia.
> Nobody except a complete idiot thought it was JD.

Complete Idiot?

Interesting, wasn't someone recently floating a theory
about Joel and Jan and something about a Hydra?
Steven Fawks - 28 Jul 2005 17:41 GMT
Just for sucker bait and laughs.

Fawks

> It would be similair to me posting as Ilena Petunia.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Interesting, wasn't someone recently floating a theory
> about Joel and Jan and something about a Hydra?
Tony Bad - 26 Jul 2005 20:19 GMT
> So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
> learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
> small amounts??

Cutting edge? Is this really news to you...that anything you put into the
body can and will have some effect? You seem to fancy yourself as some
health crusader, yet you seem incapable of distinguishing news from blinding
flashes of the obvious.

T
clintonz@prodigy.net - 27 Jul 2005 02:58 GMT
> > So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
> > learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> health crusader, yet you seem incapable of distinguishing news from blinding
> flashes of the obvious.

This is the cutting edge part:

"An especially striking finding: It appears that some substances may
have effects at the very lowest exposures that are absent at higher
levels".

> T
carabelli - 27 Jul 2005 03:18 GMT
>> > So Vaughn ... what is shameful about those interested in dentistry
>> > learning cutting edge information on the harm of chemicals ... even in
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> have effects at the very lowest exposures that are absent at higher
> levels".

Obviously homeopathicphobic

carabelli
 
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