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Do you allow caries below a restoration?

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michaelpeters - 11 Jul 2005 03:24 GMT
I have allways had a question, maybe you could give me your opinion...

What would you do in the following case:
You are removing carious tissue  which does not appear
radiographically, beneath an amalgam which was broken.  However, the
carious tissue just keeps getting deeper, and deeper.  Before you know
it, pulp is less than 1 mm. from where you are working, and you can see
the dentin is getting "pink".  The pulp is vital, giving excelent
results from vitality tests, and there is just one point of caries...

My question is, would you place glass ionomer and a restoration,
leaving about .5 square mm of caries, or would you treat the root
canal?

My poing of view is that the caries should not continue if it is
properly sealed, and should slow down or stop due to the fluoride
liberation of the glass ionomer.

I would be glad to hear what you think
USC95 - 11 Jul 2005 04:17 GMT
I would go straight into rootcanal. Tooth will need rootcanal sooner or
later, and that tooth will be very sensitive to cold. Chances are that
patient will complain that tooth never botherd him/her, they never
thank you for trying to avoid rootcanal. The success rate for rootcanal
in this case would be higher if you did rootcanal right away instead of
waiting for infection to occur.
teethdood - 11 Jul 2005 08:47 GMT
While I agree with you that the patient may be sensitive to cold afterwards
and the prognosis for the root canal on a healthy pulp is better, leaving
pin point areas of caries is acceptable as long as you do an indirect pulp
cap with CaOH, glass ionomer base then restore. The caries would be arrested
or slowed down significantly, allowing time for secondary (or is it
tertiary?) dentin to form to wall off the encroaching caries. That's what
indirect pulp capping is meant to achieve hopefully IMHO.
teethdood

>I would go straight into rootcanal. Tooth will need rootcanal sooner or
> later, and that tooth will be very sensitive to cold. Chances are that
> patient will complain that tooth never botherd him/her, they never
> thank you for trying to avoid rootcanal. The success rate for rootcanal
> in this case would be higher if you did rootcanal right away instead of
> waiting for infection to occur.
W_B - 11 Jul 2005 20:22 GMT
>I have allways had a question, maybe you could give me your opinion...
>
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>leaving about .5 square mm of caries, or would you treat the root
>canal?

What is the final restoration material ?

>My poing of view is that the caries should not continue if it is
>properly sealed, and should slow down or stop due to the fluoride
>liberation of the glass ionomer.
>
>I would be glad to hear what you think

What about "caries control" ?
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W_B
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michaelpeters - 13 Jul 2005 21:42 GMT
W_B ha escrito:

> >I have allways had a question, maybe you could give me your opinion...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

The final restoration material was a targis inlay.  By the way, what do
you think about Targis?  Do you think it has any advantages over
Porcelain, or just disadvantages?
W_B - 13 Jul 2005 21:49 GMT
>> >My question is, would you place glass ionomer and a restoration,
>> >leaving about .5 square mm of caries, or would you treat the root
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> What about "caries control" ?
>> --

>The final restoration material was a targis inlay.  By the way, what do
>you think about Targis?  Do you think it has any advantages over
>Porcelain, or just disadvantages?

Am not familiar with Targis.
Anyone else ?
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
DrSteve - 14 Jul 2005 04:00 GMT
>>> >My question is, would you place glass ionomer and a restoration,
>>> >leaving about .5 square mm of caries, or would you treat the root
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Anyone else ?
> --

If I respond, I will just sound like "One Tune Charlie"
Steven Fawks - 14 Jul 2005 14:29 GMT
Targis/Vectris (Ivoclar) is a system to construct
indirect restorations with a composite material.

I haven't found indirect composites to offer much
that I can't deliver with a less expensive direct
restoration (in most cases).

I know Mancuso uses porcelain with his Cerec, but
a lot of guys use composite blocks for their restorations.
That doesn't sound to special to me.

Fawks

> Am not familiar with Targis.
> Anyone else ?
> --
>
> W_B
Dr Steve - 14 Jul 2005 18:17 GMT
I have only done composite CEREC twice in my career.  Both times were
instances where I needed to be able to add to it later.  A composite crown
or onlay will not get paid by the insurance carrier.

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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>
> Targis/Vectris (Ivoclar) is a system to construct
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>>
>> W_B
DrSteve - 14 Jul 2005 03:58 GMT
I have yet to see a serious study which shows FL release from GI to
significantly effect anything.

I say clean the caries out if the patient is an adult.  If you end up in the
pulp, no pulp cap would have worked.  If the patient is very young, I will
consider a temporary (about one year) restoration with an indirect cap.
(very seldom)

>I have allways had a question, maybe you could give me your opinion...
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> I would be glad to hear what you think
 
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