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elliptic1@gmail.com - 10 Jul 2005 10:29 GMT
Hi,
I brush and floss every night but I always stay up late and want to
eat again later. What can I eat that is okay to be on my teeth
overnight? What about Cheerios and honey?

-Thanks

Todd Smith
UCF Mathematics
Jacob - 10 Jul 2005 17:40 GMT
Wow -- why limit to just Cheerios and honey?  Maybe you should eat  some
carmels and wash them down with Hawaiian Punch or Capri Sun?  Then just
before you hop into bed, take a bunch of hard candy so you'll have something
to suck on while sleeping.

I can't believe that your question is serious!!

> Hi,
>  I brush and floss every night but I always stay up late and want to
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> Todd Smith
> UCF Mathematics
StovePipe - 10 Jul 2005 22:37 GMT
> Wow -- why limit to just Cheerios and honey?  ...
>
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> > Todd Smith
> > UCF Mathematics

I don't believe that a Math Prof cannot read that Cheerios contains
sugar, and even if it didn't, it has refined starch as the source of
charbohydrate.

This guy is a TROLL.

BTW, where/what is UCF? Unlimited Caramel and Fudge?

FWIW, I let my kids have hard cheese after they have brushed and
flossed. They read in bed before retiring and then they're hungry again.
None of this Kraft sh.t... it has sugar in it and is made of radioactive
plastics and Math Professors.

Cheers
SP
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carabelli - 11 Jul 2005 00:28 GMT
> None of this Kraft sh.t... it has sugar in it and is made of radioactive
> plastics and Math Professors.

I just took a piece out of the fridge and checked it with a multitester.

350 millivolts - right on the button.

carabelli
StovePipe - 11 Jul 2005 17:16 GMT
> > None of this Kraft sh.t... it has sugar in it and is made of radioactive
> > plastics and Math Professors.
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>
> carabelli

A-HA!!!!!!!! Keith!!!!, you  SOB!!!!!
SP
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W_B - 11 Jul 2005 20:21 GMT
>> None of this Kraft sh.t... it has sugar in it and is made of radioactive
>> plastics and Math Professors.
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>
>carabelli

Using your handy dandy Faraday cage, right ?
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elliptic1@gmail.com - 11 Jul 2005 02:01 GMT
SP,
I am a graduate student of mathematics. I do not pretend to know about
dental care. Sugar is bad for teeth, of course. Is honey the same?
Knowing that sugar is bad for your teeth doesn't make a person an
expert in dental care. I was hoping for an answer from a dentist.

If these foods are not good overnight, then the question was about
others that do. The fact that I have to reply to these messages in this
way means that my question was not read or answered intelligently,
giving rise to my belief that SP is the troll here:

"Trolls generate an intelligence drain, meaning that when a troll
creates havoc in a newsgroup, all discussions will become less
intelligent and less useful to all other participants."

I'll seperate out the parts of my extremely complicated two-part
question for SP's benefit:

Is honey as bad as sugar?
What can I eat that is okay to be on my teeth overnight?

I apologize to everyone else for the repitition. The trolls are slowing
down the learning process here. We should save the usenet for honest
questions, and intelligent responses.

-Thanks
-Todd
UCF Mathematics
Steven Fawks - 11 Jul 2005 14:28 GMT
Ice (but don't crunch it too hard).

Fawks

> What can I eat that is okay to be on my teeth overnight?

> -Thanks
> -Todd
> UCF Mathematics
Dr Steve - 11 Jul 2005 14:29 GMT
> Is honey as bad as sugar?

Usually not

> What can I eat that is okay to be on my teeth overnight?

100% Okay?  Nothing.
StovePipe - 11 Jul 2005 17:16 GMT
> UCF Mathematics

Dear UCF Mathematics person. OK. By that definition, I am a Dennist
TROLL.

Answer from the Dennist TROLL: Honey is sweet because it contains sugar.
So do fruits ( the ones you EAT, I mean... :-/ ). So does milk. There
are differences in the chemical formula, but they are sugars all. So
don't eat them before bed.

I stand by my original statement: If my kids are hungry just before
going to bed after reading, I give them hard cheeses and water only.
Milk and sugar content is quite low, so I will accept that. There is
really nothing else short of cruciferous veggies (celery) that can be
safely eaten, IMO.

In summation: no sugars, natural or added, no starches ( they are sugars
only a bit more complex ) and only water or, say hot water, to drink. If
not, you have to brush and floss again.

Now: could you answer my own question? What and where is UCF
Mathematics?

10-Q
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W_B - 11 Jul 2005 20:22 GMT
>Sugar is bad for teeth, of course. Is honey the same?

Does honey contain sugar ?
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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 11 Jul 2005 22:35 GMT
"Does honey contain sugar"      Do you mean refined sugar?   is sugar
sucrose.
Does honey contain sucrose.   In describing honey, what is the sugar it
contains  called.   as Fructose, sucrose, corn syrup, etc. or is there no
name for it.   Don't insult the bees, I think they are a cut above all the
sugars we tamper with.   Where does maple syrup fit in.    If you could use
only one sugar, which  would it be and why.
Gail

> >Sugar is bad for teeth, of course. Is honey the same?
>
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carabelli - 12 Jul 2005 00:37 GMT
<kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net> wrote ............

 If you could use
> only one sugar, which  would it be and why.
> Gail

Maltose, self explanatory.

carabelli
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 12 Jul 2005 02:12 GMT
Thanx.    Do teeth have to be brushed afterwards?
Gail

> <kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net> wrote ............
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> carabelli
carabelli - 12 Jul 2005 03:18 GMT
> Thanx.    Do teeth have to be brushed afterwards?
> Gail

It depends on whether you are eating the maltose or drinking the product
most people make with it.  See, I can be nice on occasion.

Think brewing.

carabelli
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 12 Jul 2005 17:46 GMT
Never thought you were  anything but nice.   This subject are  all the
things I thought I never needed to know.   But curiosity is aroused.    What
are foods made of  maltose.  I know malted for milk as a good drink, barley
as a  good addition to soup, and I assume glucose for diabetics is made from
which sugar?    I can live without the answers if they are  too stupid to
answer.

As for anthropomorphism, what would a world be without  an occasional
reference to an ally.  (see, the dictionary is always handy.)

Had to deliver some papers to a lawyer handling the case for a friend, was
surprised when he offered a bottle of wine.  Nice gesture, but he didn't
have to part with it.
Gail
.

> > Thanx.    Do teeth have to be brushed afterwards?
> > Gail
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> carabelli
W_B - 12 Jul 2005 18:12 GMT
>and I assume glucose for diabetics is made from
>which sugar?    I can live without the answers if they are  too stupid to
>answer.

Glucose is, well, made from the sugar glucose.

>As for anthropomorphism, what would a world be without  an occasional
>reference to an ally.  (see, the dictionary is always handy.)

2. The ascription of human characteristics to things not
       human.
       [1913 Webster]

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StovePipe - 12 Jul 2005 05:33 GMT
> Thanx.    Do teeth have to be brushed afterwards?
> Gail

Does the Fonz have to comb his hair?
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StovePipe - 12 Jul 2005 05:33 GMT
> <kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net> wrote ............
>
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> carabelli

Yer puttin' BEER on yer cereals in the mornin'?????
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W_B - 12 Jul 2005 16:50 GMT
><kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net> wrote ............
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>carabelli

Certainly one of my faves.
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StovePipe - 12 Jul 2005 05:33 GMT
> If you could use
> only one sugar, which  would it be and why.
> Gail

Xylitol, 'cause it's made in Wyoming and Montana.... Yippie Ty-o
Ky-aaaa.
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W_B - 12 Jul 2005 16:48 GMT
>Don't insult the bees

Anthropomorphism.

>If you could use
>only one sugar, which  would it be and why.
>Gail

Glucose.

All ingested sugars are converted to glucose.
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elliptic1@gmail.com - 11 Jul 2005 01:49 GMT
Of course my question is serious. It is a good question, and it still
stands. I was hoping an educated person (dentist?) would answer.

Thanks for any real responses.

-Todd
UCF Mathematics
Jacob - 11 Jul 2005 14:41 GMT
The "real" answer is brush your teeth after you've eaten your last food
before going to bed. If you want to be technical, perhaps celery, lettuce,
spinach, broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, and some other vegetables that
don't really have much carbohydrate content would be ok.  There is some
evidence that some cheeses have somewhat of an anticaiogenic property, but
most people eat cheese with crackers, and often with jelly as well.

> Of course my question is serious. It is a good question, and it still
> stands. I was hoping an educated person (dentist?) would answer.
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> -Todd
> UCF Mathematics
StovePipe - 11 Jul 2005 17:16 GMT
> There is some
> evidence that some cheeses have somewhat of an anticaiogenic property, but
> most people eat cheese with crackers, and often with jelly as well.

????? My kids eat it with a fork, or using their hands....
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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 11 Jul 2005 22:36 GMT
I read that cheddar cheese  is a good teeth cleaner.
Gail

> > There is some
> > evidence that some cheeses have somewhat of an anticaiogenic property, but
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StovePipe - 12 Jul 2005 05:33 GMT
> I read that cheddar cheese  is a good teeth cleaner.
> Gail

Draino
is
  better.
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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 12 Jul 2005 17:54 GMT
"Draino is better"    Does that mean cheddar cheese will clear the drains
better instead..
Cleaning the drains are as much a problem as cleaning the teeth.  NOTHING
WORKS.
Gail

> > I read that cheddar cheese  is a good teeth cleaner.
> > Gail
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StovePipe - 13 Jul 2005 04:54 GMT
> "Draino is better"    Does that mean cheddar cheese will clear the drains
> better instead..
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If you want to get rid of that pesky gingiva, Draino is good to clean
teeth with.

The best thing to clean drains with is drain floss.

Maltose is used in generating the alcolol in bier.

Glucose is the sugar that is used by humans.

Sucrose (table sugar) is one glucose and one fructose "ensemble"
(together). You eat sugar and you die a horrible diabetic and cancer
induced death. I am firmly convinced that the North American diet is
what ultimately killed my dear sister at 46 years of age. Did you know
that statistically we are the first generation in recorded history
(outside of wartime) where we die before our parents do? Our diet is
killing us.

Put that chocolate bar DOWN!!!!!!

SP
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carabelli - 13 Jul 2005 05:22 GMT
Maltose rules

carabelli
W_B - 13 Jul 2005 05:55 GMT
>Maltose rules
>
>carabelli

The basis for the most excellent mouth-washes available, eh ?

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carabelli - 13 Jul 2005 06:10 GMT
>>Maltose rules
>>
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A little peat to smoke it and a coiled copper tube - then you have a really
nice mouthwash.

carbelli
W_B - 13 Jul 2005 06:11 GMT
Agreed.

Sucrose is cheap to harvest.
Sugars are an additive in almost every prepared food that
is on the grocery store shelves.

In the US it is mandatory that ingredients be listed, in the order
of percentage, highest to lowest, on almost every food product.
Check out the carb content of one soda... one small bag of chips...
Here's a zinger... ketchup/catsup.

If you are truly interested, we can discuss the physiology of
a carb heavy diet, and the folly of the low-fat diet.

IIRC the average sugar intake of ~1950 was 100X the intake of 1850.
Before then, MI was virtually unheard of.
Type II [adult onset] extremely rare.

Since sugar plays such an important part in dentistry, we may as well
explore the entire physiology/pathology on all organs of the human.

>Put that chocolate bar DOWN!!!!!!

Actually chocolate is good food, it's the extra added sugar
that corrupts the food source.

>Sucrose (table sugar) is one glucose and one fructose "ensemble"
>(together). You eat sugar and you die a horrible diabetic and cancer
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>SP

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carabelli - 13 Jul 2005 06:15 GMT
Catsup??

I didn't know DC was in the South.

carabelli
StovePipe - 14 Jul 2005 06:51 GMT
> If you are truly interested, we can discuss the physiology of
> a carb heavy diet, and the folly of the low-fat diet.

Thou shalt keep refined carbs low and Thou shalt save thy pancreas. So
sayeth Brothers Atkins and Montignac and Koosmine.

Thy food shall be thy prayer.

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W_B - 14 Jul 2005 16:55 GMT
>> If you are truly interested, we can discuss the physiology of
>> a carb heavy diet, and the folly of the low-fat diet.
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>SP

Don't forget South Beach.
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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 13 Jul 2005 18:55 GMT
Only factor in diet I think is bad is barbecuing with charcoal.    Gas would
be better.    Do you not give your children chocolate.   Hersheys seems to
be a good treat.   and Fannie May candies when they were here seemed to be
frequented by the older set.    Of course there is a difference between
chocolate and chocolate flavored.   I think you know chocolate must retain
the cocoa butter to be called chocolate,  if cocoa butter is removed and
vegetable shortening is substuted, it must be labeled chocolate flavored,
fudge, etc.   and luck plays a big part in being well.
and relaxing, even going to church or synagogue requires a moments rest.
and unfortunately, sometimes treatment is botched.
Gail

> > "Draino is better"    Does that mean cheddar cheese will clear the drains
> > better instead..
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StovePipe - 14 Jul 2005 06:51 GMT
> Only factor in diet I think is bad is barbecuing with charcoal.    Gas would
> be better.    Do you not give your children chocolate.   Hersheys seems to
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> and relaxing, even going to church or synagogue requires a moments rest.
> and unfortunately, sometimes treatment is botched.

Yea, though I walk over BBQ charcoals and in the shadow of better gas, I
shall not pause but to give unto my offspring of yon holy chocolate. I
fear not the older set, for  Hershey, Fanny Mae and Cadbury art with me,
and I shall toil to retain the holy cocoa butter and shun temptations
visited upon me by the wretched veggie shortening beast, Toblerone.
Verily,  it will be given unto me to luckily and genetically relax in
yon church and the synagogue, requiring but a moment of rest, sitting on
the blessed electric blanket. I shall be well, and place Bosch headlamps
in yon 1994 Topaz.

It shall come to pass that I, unworthy sinner that I art, will feel no
fear, for I'll have the biggest cavities and the worst heart condition
of ANY SUNOFA BITCH IN THE VALLEY between the church and the synagogue.

Amen

Or, if you would like to have I should give you:

Almen

------------+---------------

This message hath been brung to youse by the Sugar Mafia of America.

Read: Sugar Blues by Willian Dufty (Duftey?)

Cheers
SP

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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 14 Jul 2005 17:21 GMT
Not a nutritionist but some thoughts on the physiology of carbs and low fat
diet.
Too many carbs are fattening, are sweet potatoes carbs, don't think they are
fattening.    Olive oil would be a preferred oil for salads, etc? What would
be wrong with a low fat diet.   Would a capsule supplement of  Fish oil add
cholestrol to the diet.     Having dessert before the meal may eliminate
some of the problems of sugar adhering to the teeth.    Would be interested
in other thoughts as to the carb and low fat diets.     There is barely an
item on the store shelf without sugar, even the bread, and some of the
bottled water.   Sugar is every country's necessity, but I think our country
has gone overboard.  Bad enough are the obvious sugar laden foods, but the
subtle ones are a nuisance since trying to read the ingredients is a real
challenge.
The price tag usually covers the ingredients.
Seltzer with some unsweetened fruit juice may be a substiute for soda pop.
but sugar will get us one way or another.   Its just too sweet.
Comments?
Gail

> > Only factor in diet I think is bad is barbecuing with charcoal.    Gas would
> > be better.    Do you not give your children chocolate.   Hersheys seems to
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StovePipe - 15 Jul 2005 04:57 GMT
In the interest of being brief, I'll be brief

> Not a nutritionist but some thoughts on the physiology of carbs and low fat
> diet.
> Too many carbs are fattening, are sweet potatoes carbs,

Yes

>don't think they are
> fattening.    Olive oil would be a preferred oil for salads, etc?

Da

>What would
> be wrong with a low fat diet.  

Nothing. The problem is high simple-carb diets.

>Would a capsule supplement of  Fish oil add
> cholestrol to the diet.    

Nyet. Makes you a trout-face, though.

>Having dessert before the meal may eliminate
> some of the problems of sugar adhering to the teeth.

Over stimulate pancreas to produce insulin. Over stocking of food as
result.

>    Would be interested
> in other thoughts as to the carb and low fat diets.

Low fat is uninteresting.

>    There is barely an
> item on the store shelf without sugar, even the bread, and some of the
> bottled water.  .

Read Sugar Blues by William Dufty (Duftey?)

> Sugar is every country's necessity, but I think our country
> has gone overboard.  Bad enough are the obvious sugar laden foods, but the
> subtle ones are a nuisance since trying to read the ingredients is a real
> challenge.

The Naked Ape was never intended to ingest so many simple carbs. We have
a limited supply of insulin and become  resistant to it.

> The price tag usually covers the ingredients.
> Seltzer with some unsweetened fruit juice may be a substiute for soda pop.
> but sugar will get us one way or another.  

Sugar knows who you are. It will find you and it will kill you.

>Its just too sweet.
> Comments?

Read Sugar Blues by William Dufty (Duftey?)

Eating sugar is perfectly legal, like smoking cigarettes.

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W_B - 11 Jul 2005 20:22 GMT
>Of course my question is serious. It is a good question, and it still
>stands. I was hoping an educated person (dentist?) would answer.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>-Todd
>UCF Mathematics

Unlimited Carmel and Fudge Factor.

In a nutshell....
Avoid sugar.
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W_B - 11 Jul 2005 20:03 GMT
>Hi,
> I brush and floss every night but I always stay up late and want to
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>Todd Smith
>UCF Mathematics

Add a Dr. Pepper and some carmel, and there you go.
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