A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
should get root canal treatment.
I also read somewhere root canal treatment could cause problems elsewhere in
the body, when the bacteria somehow migrate to another part of the body.
My question is can I leave it alone and only treat it when there is an
obvious problem? Is it possible for it to remain status quo indefinitely, as
long as my immune system remains healthy?
If I finally do decide to treat it, can I get my regular dentist to do the
root canal or should it be done by the endodontist?
TIA
Dr. Steve - 08 Jul 2005 12:55 GMT
>A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
>molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
>should get root canal treatment.
Sounds reasonable
>I also read somewhere root canal treatment could cause problems elsewhere in
>the body, when the bacteria somehow migrate to another part of the body.
that is about as true as the Big Foot Sightings
>My question is can I leave it alone and only treat it when there is an
>obvious problem?
Bad idea
>Is it possible for it to remain status quo indefinitely, as
>long as my immune system remains healthy?
It could remain stable for a "while"
>If I finally do decide to treat it, can I get my regular dentist to do the
>root canal or should it be done by the endodontist?
Depends on the individuals
..
Stephen
Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
W_B - 08 Jul 2005 16:10 GMT
Yeah, what Dr. Steve M said.
(great minds think alike)
>>A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
>>molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
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>
>that is about as true as the Big Foot Sightings
Was thinking more along the lines of Nessie <hehe>
>>My question is can I leave it alone and only treat it when there is an
>>obvious problem?
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>
>I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 08 Jul 2005 15:52 GMT
>A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
>molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
>should get root canal treatment.
>
>I also read somewhere root canal treatment could cause problems elsewhere in
>the body, when the bacteria somehow migrate to another part of the body.
That's bogus science.
Focal theory of infection, disproved decades ago.
>My question is can I leave it alone and only treat it when there is an
>obvious problem? Is it possible for it to remain status quo indefinitely, as
>long as my immune system remains healthy?
No, chronic infection is bad for your body.
>If I finally do decide to treat it, can I get my regular dentist to do the
>root canal or should it be done by the endodontist?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
>TIA
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Take out the G'RBAGE
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Jacob - 08 Jul 2005 15:54 GMT
You probably have a chronic abcess, which is usually painless, until it
shifts into an acute abcess, which is EXTREMELY painful. The problem you
may have is that leaving this alone, the bone degeration going on inside
your bone will expand, and gradually "eat away" more bone. Eventually, you
will have problems with adjacent teeth, as the infection shifts/expands. It
is impossible to say how long this will take without examining you. A root
canal treatment on a molar is a bit more difficult, as there are usually 3
to 4 canals, and the tooth is further back in your mouth, making access more
difficult. However, you general dentist might be able to take care of this,
depending on his/her skill. You really need to treat the source of this
infection, and antibiotics will not "cure" this -- only removing the source
will. You need to have this tooth have a root canal treatment or an
extraction, and the longer you wait, the worse it will become.
Eventually -- and I don't know how long it's been like this -- it will be
impossible to do root canal treatment and the the tooth will have to be
extracted. Talk this over with your dentist and work something out. Good
luck.
> A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
> molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
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>
> TIA
Bone Density - 17 Jul 2005 17:58 GMT
> You probably have a chronic abcess, which is usually painless, until it
> shifts into an acute abcess, which is EXTREMELY painful. The problem you
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> extracted. Talk this over with your dentist and work something out. Good
> luck.
Pretty scary scenario you painted. The endodontist says I can wait till it
becomes a acute abscess if ever. Then again, the darkened area in the x-ray
could also be granulation tissue right?
DrSteve - 17 Jul 2005 18:17 GMT
> Pretty scary scenario you painted. The endodontist says I can wait till it
> becomes a acute abscess if ever.
Something bothers me about an endodontist who actually says that.
>Then again, the darkened area in the x-ray could also be granulation
>tissue right?
I doubt that very much, but then again, I have not seen the case.
W_B - 17 Jul 2005 20:04 GMT
>> Pretty scary scenario you painted. The endodontist says I can wait till it
>> becomes a acute abscess if ever.
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>
> I doubt that very much, but then again, I have not seen the case.
Is this tooth being evaluated for retreatment ?
If so, those statements would be accurate.
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Take out the G'RBAGE
Bone Density - 18 Jul 2005 12:14 GMT
>>> Pretty scary scenario you painted. The endodontist says I can wait till
>>> it
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> Is this tooth being evaluated for retreatment ?
> If so, those statements would be accurate.
Actually had an RCT done on the tooth some years back by a general dentist.
W_B - 17 Jul 2005 21:24 GMT
>> You probably have a chronic abcess, which is usually painless, until it
>> shifts into an acute abcess, which is EXTREMELY painful. The problem you
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>becomes a acute abscess if ever. Then again, the darkened area in the x-ray
>could also be granulation tissue right?
Yes and it can also be a scar.
Either way, IMO sounds like this tooth needs RCT.
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Take out the G'RBAGE
LadyLollipop - 08 Jul 2005 19:43 GMT
>A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
>molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
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>
> TIA
Don't expect to be told the truth here. The dangers of root canals are
denied by organized dentistry.
http://www.toothwisdom.net/r.root_canals.html
http://www.integratedhealthpractice.com/treatment.asp#Root
ll root cancel fillings have the potential to casue bad health. This is
because, althought the nerve has been removed, bacteria still colonise in
the minute tubules of a tooth. These bacteria produce toxins which enter the
body causing potential harm.
An area of residual infection which is left under the gum, usually
following, but sometimes a long time after an extraction can cause problems.
Symptoms can be coincided with the energetic links to the body as well as
localised problems.
http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm
http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm
http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html
http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html
http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm
http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm
http://www.cfsn.com/maz/
http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html
http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm
http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm
http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html
http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html
http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html
http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm
http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html
Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A
dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.
http://www.toothwisdom.net/
Toxicity from Root Canals
The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source
of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful;
however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic
type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the
flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation
is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many
more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you
want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are
said
to be the cadavers of the body.
I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to
their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.
The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at
the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable
substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out
against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the
patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.
>(San Francisco, CA) - For the first time anywhere, dentists will be
>required to post a warning about the dangers of mercury in their dental
>fillings. A California Superior court judge finalized the language for
>the warning to be posted in dentists' offices here today.
>The warning will read as follows:
>Notice to Patients, Proposition 65:
>Warning on dental amalgams, used in many dental fillings, causes exposure
>to mercury, a chemical known to the state of California to cause birth
>defects or other reproductive harm.
>Root canal treatments and restorations including fillings, crowns and
>bridges, use chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer.
>The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has studied the situation and
>approved for use all dental restorative materials.
>Consult your dentist to determine which materials are appropriate for your
>treatment.
>The exact language of the warning was argued and then finalized before
>Superior Court Judge James A. Robertson II between the California Dental
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>mercury dental fillings and root canals. The agreement also allows non-CDA
>dentists to opt in to the agreement and post the warning.
>The warning is the result of a lawsuit filed by The Law Offices of Shawn
>Khorrami on behalf of As You Sow, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated to
>advocacy and activism in the public interest.
>"This is the first admission by organized dentistry that amalgams pose a
>potential health risk," says Shawn Khorrami, lead attorney. "The only
>problem is that it's about 100 years too late."
>This California consent judgment follows on the heels of recent lawsuits
>filed in Georgia, Texas, Ohio and Los Angeles, California charging that
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>risks to certain users. Mercury, a highly toxic substance, is the most
>widely used substance in dental fillings today.
>The use of mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines also has been the source
>of the recent controversy in the Homeland Security legislation.
>Khorrami filed the lawsuit against Roger Fieldman D.D.S., Inc., the
>Citadel Dental Group, Inc. dental offices, dental laboratories and
>private dental schools and training programs with more than nine
>employees. The suit won the enforcement of Proposition 65, Safe Drinking
>Water and Toxics Enforcement Act [Health & Safety Code § 25249.6].
>Proposition 65 requires that a clear and reasonable warning be provided to
>persons prior to their exposure to a chemical known to cause cancer or
>reproductive harm. This statute lists mercury, contained in dental
>amalgam, as a substance that can cause reproductive toxicity. The lawsuit
>was based on the absence of warnings to patients treated with amalgam
>restorative materials in dental offices.
>The judgment on Proposition 65 mandates that all dental offices with more
>than nine employees provide warnings on the dangers of Mercury dental
>fillings to patients. Those in non-compliance could incur a fine of up to
>$2,500 per day.
>Press may contact: Jackie Gladfelter at 650-218-1856 or D. Infusino at
>415-225-7970; call Attorney Shawn Khorrami at 818-947-5111.
>###
Jan
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 08 Jul 2005 21:19 GMT
> A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
> molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
> should get root canal treatment.
get it done.
> I also read somewhere root canal treatment could cause problems elsewhere in
> the body, when the bacteria somehow migrate to another part of the body.
purpose of the root canal is to remove the bacteria that is causing the
dark area under the roots by killing it with bleach.
> My question is can I leave it alone and only treat it when there is an
> obvious problem? Is it possible for it to remain status quo indefinitely, as
> long as my immune system remains healthy?
There are cases where people have died from not treating the infection
early
see "LUDWIG'S ANGINA" It occurs when this bacteria spreads to air
spaces in your thorax and prevent breathing. Also massive tissue
gangrene occurs this condition is very dangerious and survival from it
is slim.
> If I finally do decide to treat it, can I get my regular dentist to do the
> root canal or should it be done by the endodontist?
Does not matter. What does your dentist recommend?
> TIA
The Webby - 08 Jul 2005 21:26 GMT
> > A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of my
> > molars. I don't feel any pain or discomfort but the endodontist thinks I
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> gangrene occurs this condition is very dangerious and survival from it
> is slim.
I lived with the fear of this condition for several years due to
chronic/repeated/uncontrollable bony ankylosis of the TMJs. It is no
way to live.
Webby
> > If I finally do decide to treat it, can I get my regular dentist to do the
> > root canal or should it be done by the endodontist?
>
> Does not matter. What does your dentist recommend?
>
> > TIA
DrSteve - 09 Jul 2005 17:14 GMT
>> > A routine x-ray shows decreased bone density(darkened area) under on of
>> > my
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>
> Webby
I agree fully.
Hey, will you call PM and convince her that we need to visit SD this coming
winter?
>> > If I finally do decide to treat it, can I get my regular dentist to do
>> > the
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>>
>> > TIA
The Webby - 09 Jul 2005 17:39 GMT
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> Hey, will you call PM and convince her that we need to visit SD this coming
> winter?
You had a *terrible* winter in Michigan.... and we had the 2nd wettest
year in the history of record-keeping in SD ... (that is our equivalent
of a "*terrible*" winter) ... come to think of it, maybe I should be
thinking of a winter escape too!!
You *know* we'd always love to have you all in our neck of the woods!
This time though, bring warmer clothes and carry umbrellas! (Forget the
fact that you didn't feel the earthquake because you were driving on the
freeway!!) What a trip you had!! Sounds like a trailer for a Hollywood
comedy film. Where's Steve Martin???
;-)))))
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Webby