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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / July 2005Case study
Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be free of porn and is lacking any discussion beyond occasional Spam. If there is interest, I could post some images of a recent case there and we could some discussion about it here? Any interest?  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... >Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be >free of porn and is lacking any discussion beyond occasional Spam. If there >is interest, I could post some images of a recent case there and we could >some discussion about it here? > >Any interest? Send the group name privately. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Okay, case in question..... Lady of senior citizen age. Wears U/L RPD's. U/RPD replaces #3/#4/ and #11-->#15. Not ideal, but has held up nicely this way for about 12 years. She tripped over garden hose, fell and hit her face on the concrete. Lacerated the upper lip in three places on the inside and two places on the outside. The two outer lacerations coincide perfectly with two of the minor connectors on the U/RPD. I suspect the RPD became loose, rotated and perforated through from the inner surface (despite the RPD having to rotate laterally about 80 degrees to do this). RPD no longer fits properly, so we know it is either bent or the teeth/bony segments have shifted. Fractures the pre-maxillary segment so that teeth #8/#9/10 move B-L as one unit. fulcrum of rotation is slightly beyond the apices of these teeth. Obviously the maxilla is fractured. Tooth #6 has class II fracture of the M half. Tooth #2 had recently (2 years ago) been restored with CEREC Endo-Crown. Post, core and crown were cut from one piece of porcelain. This crown is fractured off taking most of the supra-gingival tooth structure with it. We fixated the anterior segment and it appears to be integrated back in position. #6 is restored. Now we were ready to restore #2. Images on the binary site show the type of herodontics I chose to perform. The replacement Endo-Crown is only about 40% of normal occlusal height. The new RPD will cover this tooth with the distal saddle. Depending on how much retention I need, I can alter the Endo-Crown to accommodate our needs. If retention is adequate, we can reline the saddle in soft acrylic over #2. If we need greater retention form, I can undercut the porcelain more than it already is, and have the soft acrylic "lock" into this area. If, we need to get fancy, I can have the new skeleton made up with a metal telescoping-type attachment over #2, and add buccal or lingual clasps on the wider portion. We can easily re-shape the porcelain and re-polish it. No images of the lacerated lip as I was in the office very late on a Friday night suturing and did not have anyone available to get the camera. My concern was stopping bleeding and closing tissue. I do not want to lose #2, as I fear the RPD will not have enough resistance form, and will begin to loosen up the anterior teeth. Remember that my distal abutment on the other side is a lateral incisor. Let me know who wants to look at the images, and I can email them the NG name they are hidden on. I created a different identity for that posting so that it would remain more confidential. Kindly post any responses to the thread here. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Let me know who wants to look at the images, and I can email them the NG >name they are hidden on. I created a different identity for that posting so >that it would remain more confidential. Kindly post any responses to the >thread here. How did you fixate the anterior maxillary segment ? Send the group name. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Let me know who wants to look at the images, and I can email them the NG >>name they are hidden on. I created a different identity for that posting [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How did you fixate the anterior maxillary segment ? Late on a Friday night??? I dug out the heaviest ortho wire I had, bent up an arch-wire out of square wire 0.22x0.28. Ligated it with metal ortho ligatures to each tooth. Check your email Works for me. I could give you a layman's diagnosis. Which would be a really big help to you (laugh here). SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be free of porn and is lacking any discussion beyond occasional Spam. If there is interest, I could post some images of a recent case there and we could some discussion about it here? Any interest? Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be > free of porn and is lacking any discussion beyond occasional Spam. If there > is interest, I could post some images of a recent case there and we could > some discussion about it here? > > Any interest? I would be intrerested in seeing your case and knowing how you post to it. I post to my pee fart web blog using my browser or more efficiently using an FTP client. I would guess that using OutHouseEmpress, you do it all from that. I will send you an email letter bomb for the NG. 10-Q SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be > > free of porn and is lacking any discussion beyond occasional Spam. If there [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > 10-Q > SP Oooooopssssssss.... careful, careful, SP. There was a day when if a certain word was used in usenet.... 'people' could get your account shut down by reporting you to "the ISP authorities". I don't think I need to point to the offending word.... but can you believe what a sorry excuse that was for censorship???? Webby But first the Pipe scrawled: > > I will send you an email letter bomb for the NG. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Webby Saying ' OutHouseEmpress ' in the SMD is a dirty word????? Man.... 'guess saying: ' pee fart web blog ' is pretty bad too??? Thnaks for the warning. Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > But first the Pipe scrawled: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Cheers > SP No, it was the "b" word. After SP blathered: > > Saying ' OutHouseEmpress ' in the SMD is a dirty word????? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No, it was the "b" word. I know.... how can you send someone an email letter bomb? You can send viruses and Trojan Horses, but not bombs.... Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > After SP blathered: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > SP email bombs existed. I don't know how easy it is to send an email bomb today though. TW > > > No, it was the "b" word. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > TW Oh, that's right: that was how The Book got damaged on your hard drive. I still think that was a virus. It was just a large and probably complex one. You know, if Biolase doesn't support me with my older Millennium One Laser, I might just stir up a stink myself... Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > > > No, it was the "b" word. > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I still think that was a virus. It was just a large and probably complex > one. Yes and no. It was a virus that damaged the computer (and thus the manuscript). email bombs are like gridlock or "all circuits are busy, please try your call again later" ... that sort of thing. People would send an email bomb to someone's account to simply disable them for a period of time. No damage ... but some ISPs would charge extra for the load! It was a tactic used in cyber-warfare but it wasn't damaging in the way that a virus could destroy data. > You know, if Biolase doesn't support me with my older Millennium One > Laser, I might just stir up a stink myself... No there's an idea! > Cheers > SP TW In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-DDAF96.14550710072005@news-rdr-03.socal. rr.com>, [cut] > No [sic] there's an idea! > > > > Cheers > > SP > > TW Meant to type "Now there's a idea!" TW | In article | <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-DDAF96.14550710072005@news-rdr-03.socal. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | TW Are you sure you did not mean to type: "Now there's an idea!" ? SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-38F352.14594110072005@news-rdr-03.socal.rr [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Are you sure you did not mean to type: "Now there's an idea!" ? Wow. I need to do something about my reading vision!!! Yes!!! That is exactly what I meant to type. I'm so glad you can read my mind, Roy!!! :-) Webby > In article > <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-DDAF96.14550710072005@news-rdr-03.socal. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > TW I know.... :-) SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> > Oooooopssssssss.... careful, careful, SP. There was a day when if a >> > certain word was used in usenet.... 'people' could get your account shut [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >No, it was the "b" word. SP knows you mean *blog*... -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I usually call it "outhouse distress". SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com The Webby <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote: But first the Pipe scrawled: > > I will send you an email letter bomb for the NG. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Webby Saying ' OutHouseEmpress ' in the SMD is a dirty word????? Man.... 'guess saying: ' pee fart web blog ' is pretty bad too??? Thnaks for the warning. Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > I usually call it "outhouse distress". Drop Kick me Jeezuz... over the outhouse of worldly distress.... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 9:05 am SPAM the Spooks - Talkwire.com Electronic Freedom at Talkwire.com - info and links for the BEST Talk Radio Hosts Listen HostsLinksStoreAboutHome SPAM the Spooks! The FBI, CIA and NSA have an electronic spy system called "Carnivore" and "Eschelon". This system (computer and software) monitors all network traffic (Yours!) and analyzes it for key words. If it finds a suspicious message (e-mail, chat message, etc.), it stores it for later retrieval for law enforcement. This system ignores the Fourth Amendment's proscription of unreasonable searches. Americans were horrified a year ago when it was announced that Russia's law enforcement required all internet traffic to be forwarded to state computers. Now our law enforcement is doing it to us. Talkwire believes that the existence of Carnivore and Eschelon are a threat to personal privacy and security, despite the empty assurances of the government. Law enforcement has been given too much latitude in searches and seizures, and Carnivore is just a step along the way. We must work to reverse this trend of government's intrusion into our private lives. For more information visit www.stopcarnivore.org In the meantime, you can Spam the Spooks. The list below contains many of the keywords the Government Spooks search YOUR email and chat for. If everyone attaches some or all of the keywords below to all of their emails, Carnivore and Eschelon will be flooded with so much Spam they will not be able to read it all. Put the Carnivore and Eschelon computers to work, You paid for them!! . 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I did a Find-search for the acronym AICUZ but nothing was found. I was somewhat surprised. I noticed that "gorilla" was on the list but did not notice "guerilla". So I performed a search for it and guess what? It found "gorilla" ... so if you type one or the other it doesn't matter. Actually, I've known about this for several years. Was it an urban myth or for real? Did it matter? When I had trouble with a certain ISP refusing to carry sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders (back in about 1998 IIRC) but gladly carried several child pornography newsgroups, I called the local FBI internet crimes division wanting to know about this. First they claimed they "didn't know how to get there" and if I would tell them, they could look into it. Otherwise, they weren't concerned. I suggested that maybe their lack of concern was ... well ... nevermind. But I got nowhere with the Officer of the Day can I suggested that since she wanted to know my name that she should not forget it. She assured me that she would not. The funny thing about all that was that the ISP in question was involved in a little business relationship with the local (big city) newspaper. ... imagine that... and even more disturbing, after I cancelled my account with the ISP, they got all of my email before the new ISP did. They put a "bug" in my machine and everytime I opened my connection, guess what opened transparently? ... It's a long story and it's been a long time since anything much could surprise me. Webby In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-EBB5BC.19154211072005@news-rdr-02.socal. rr.com>, > > Date: Thu Jul 4, 2002 9:05 am > > SPAM the Spooks - Talkwire.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > "Carnivore" and "Eschelon". This system (computer and software) monitors all > > network traffic (Yours!) and analyzes it for key words. If it finds a [clip] Webby wrote: > I did a Find-search for the acronym AICUZ but nothing was found. I was > somewhat surprised. Please notice the use of the word "surprised" modified by the word "somewhat". > I noticed that "gorilla" was on the list but did not notice "guerilla". > So I performed a search for it and guess what? It found "gorilla" ... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > It's a long story and it's been a long time since anything much could > surprise me. Please note the use of the word "surprise" again. This was no accident. I also did not find the acronym APZ which *certainly surprised me*!!!! End of rant. Webby > Webby > The funny thing about all that was that the ISP in question was involved > in a little business relationship with the local (big city) newspaper. > ... imagine that... and even more disturbing, after I cancelled my > account with the ISP, they got all of my email before the new ISP did. > They put a "bug" in my machine and everytime I opened my connection, > guess what opened transparently? ... TW, how do you know that they bugged your machine? And aren't you using a Mac? That would have been a lot harder to do, I think. Thanks SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > The funny thing about all that was that the ISP in question was involved > > in a little business relationship with the local (big city) newspaper. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks > SP It's a long story, SP. At the time, I had replaced my tired PowerMac with a PC (Apple/Mac history stuff). I don't really think the problem with that ISP was related to my participation in smd or asj-d -- I was involved in some other "community action sort of things" and I earned a few political enemies because of it. Enough said about that. Anyway, I had to get att.net security involved because the "bug" affected their security (as my new ISP) and consequently, I was denied an account with att.net because of what had happened with my machine. There was an in-depth investigation of the "where, what, whys" of it all and finally, I had to buy another computer because it wasn't possible to get another hard drive for that particular model. For most people who were getting on the net in 1998, a time when there was a real explosion of new users, a story like this was probably nothing to take seriously for what it actually was. Once you experience the reality that you have no idea what goes on with your machine when it is open to the net ... then you begin to either care way to much about what you can't control or you begin to care less about what you can't control. I went both ways on that. As I wrote, it's a long story and this little peek back in time represents such a small portion of a rather incredible big story that I hesitate to share it at all. But, SP, I owe you a response to your question. TW > It's a long story, SP. At the time, I had replaced my tired PowerMac > with a PC (Apple/Mac history stuff). I don't really think the problem > with that ISP was related to my participation in smd or asj-d -- I was > involved in some other "community action sort of things" and I earned a > few political enemies because of it. Enough said about that. OK, you alluded to this last year, and I should have remembered. Thanks and cheers! I'll be off for a while SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > It's a long story, SP. At the time, I had replaced my tired PowerMac > > with a PC (Apple/Mac history stuff). I don't really think the problem [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks and cheers! I'll be off for a while > SP Take care SP and get some rest. Will catch you on your return. Webby :-) > > > It's a long story, SP. At the time, I had replaced my tired PowerMac > > > with a PC (Apple/Mac history stuff). I don't really think the problem [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Webby :-) Thanks... will read War and Peace, Intro to Assembly Language Programming for the PowerPC and the Merck Manual of Internal Medecine. Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > > > It's a long story, SP. At the time, I had replaced my tired PowerMac > > > > with a PC (Apple/Mac history stuff). I don't really think the problem [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cheers > SP What a vacation!!!!!!!!! Aren't you glad you don't have to read "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" too??????????? Webby > What a vacation!!!!!!!!! Aren't you glad you don't have to read "The > TMJ Iatroepidemic" too??????????? > > Webby Whadddyyyaa mean?!?!?!?! _I_ wrote it! :-/ Bye, Keep well SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > What a vacation!!!!!!!!! Aren't you glad you don't have to read "The > > TMJ Iatroepidemic" too??????????? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Bye, Keep well > SP It's a funny thing how everybody wants to take the blame for having written "that book" ... ;-) Good thing! See you back soon, SP. Webby > We must work to > reverse this trend of government's intrusion into our private lives. For > more information visit www.stopcarnivore.org But don't leave your real name..... Don't you think that real terrrrorists use code names for their stuff like 'the igloo' and 'hedgehog' and 'KnutKrackerSuite' and 'ZZ-Top'.... ? ..... SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > Put the Carnivore and Eschelon computers to > work, You paid for them!! . HOLY sh.t!!!!! THEY'RE ONTO ME!!!!! SPam, ASPIC, RSP, CISSP, AFSPC, SASP, ISSSP, ISPE, ISPR, USP, NSP, WWSP, SP4, SPINTCOM.... Help!!!!! SPSP SP S ...... + ...... SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > Things are slow around SMD lately. I found a binary NG that seems to be > free of porn and is lacking any discussion beyond occasional Spam. If there > is interest, I could post some images of a recent case there and we could > some discussion about it here? > > Any interest? I sent you an email to one of your ISP's. I don't know whether you got it or not...?... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH |
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