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StovePipe - 04 Jul 2005 15:58 GMT
They told me it would take another modem, etc... but here I am.
SP

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George Chatzipetros - 04 Jul 2005 22:39 GMT
Good to have you back.
Now a trick question: I sold my almost unused Garrison gold matrix kit
for 60 pounds and I bought an Optracontact kit. Am I crazy?

George
StovePipe - 05 Jul 2005 05:49 GMT
> Good to have you back.
> Now a trick question: I sold my almost unused Garrison gold matrix kit
> for 60 pounds and I bought an Optracontact kit. Am I crazy?
>
> George

Well, _I_ don't like the rings either: I have to shave off too much in
the interdental to get them to work properly.

What is an Optracontact kit? And how much is 60 pounds? What dental
materials con one buy for sixty pounds?

Thanks
SP
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George Chatzipetros - 05 Jul 2005 07:44 GMT
> Well, _I_ don't like the rings either: I have to shave off too much in
> the interdental to get them to work properly.
>
> What is an Optracontact kit? And how much is 60 pounds? What dental
> materials con one buy for sixty pounds?

I know you like doing posterior composites, so you're going to like
this:
http://www.ivoclarvivadent.com/com/en/products/optraline/optracontact.html
. It's a clever way to get good contacts with a tofflemyer. And you can
position the contact anywhere in the tooth you want.

George
StovePipe - 09 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT
> > Well, _I_ don't like the rings either: I have to shave off too much in
> > the interdental to get them to work properly.
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>
> George

I looked at the Ivoclar devices (that tool and the matrices) and it
looks good. Thanks for the info. I must say though that I've gone back
to the good ol' Automatrix and pushing a pre-cured piece of composite
against the band on the inside (against the contact) whilst my assistant
cures it. If I form the composite on a Palodent or other sectional
matrix, and make the internal part of the Automatrix rounded with a ball
burnisher, this gives me the best results as far as contact shape and
tightness goes. I have no shortage of sectional matrices here, believe
me.

Thanks
SP
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Roy Brown - 04 Jul 2005 23:04 GMT
Didn't believe me did you?

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| They told me it would take another modem, etc... but here I am.
| SP
StovePipe - 05 Jul 2005 05:49 GMT
> Didn't believe me did you?

Well, I cannot believe the ineptness, that's for sure. I got back online
just in time for our 'vacation' which is in the last two weeks in July.
We were all going to go down to my Dad's place and hang for two weeks.

Unfortunately, my sister had been in the hospital for the last two or
three weeks and Wednesday nite last, she died quite unexpectedly ( at
least to me ). I asked for an autopsy and it was kidney cancer, but she
had most other organs touched as well. A reall bummer. She wos only 46.
She had had a hysterectomy a couple of years ago ( fibromas in the
ovaries ) so they took them out. They did it by traditional surgery, and
they found cancer behind the cervix, not in it. They removed it ( or so
they thought...) but when you see lungs, liver and kidney attacked at
the same time, you have to wonder if the follow ups were adaquate.

Maybe I am a pessimist, but it seems that bad news always comes to me in
the summer time.

So, I'm taking Thursday afternoon off, and we're going to Montreal for a
small ceremony and get together. The kids haven't seen their uncle (my
brother) for at least five years ( we are on three continents ) and so
we are going to rocket down to Montreal, shake hands and then rocket
back. Bummer, but if we don't, the kids'll never know their uncle.

Sorry for ranting, but I do feel cheated.

Cheers anyways
SP
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Dr Steve - 05 Jul 2005 18:09 GMT
Major disappointment in life.

I am sorry

Call me if you need to vent.

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~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S.
Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>> Didn't believe me did you?
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> Cheers anyways
> SP
The Webby - 05 Jul 2005 18:46 GMT
I'm terribly sorry, SP.  

Webby

> Major disappointment in life.
>
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> > Cheers anyways
> > SP
StovePipe - 06 Jul 2005 03:49 GMT
> Major disappointment in life.
>
> I am sorry
>
> Call me if you need to vent.

No... thanks but it's cool... She wouldn't have had patience with
that... and I'm okay. I spoke to her about two hours before she died,
and I could hear that she was suffering. I said I'd come down to Mtl
that weekend to visit, and she said: "Yeah.... That'd be nice...". The
way she said it, I knew there was little hope. You know it's really
stupid, but I didn't even _think_ to order flowers. Can you believe
that? My own sister... I don't know what I was thinking. At least she
was with my Mom and she didn't die alone.

And so now, I go back to my pea fart little clinic, and listen to the
cheap-o retirees who have broken teeth because they have a whole
occlusion hanging on one or two teeth, and they won't spring for crowns
or onlays, and I tell them a paraphrasing what you said once before:

"Listen, I cannot break the laws of Physics. Nor can I stand beside you
while you sleep and stop you from grinding your teeth. If you ask me to
rebuild that tooth with white filling or amalgam, I WILL NOT GUARANTEE
IT and when it breaks, you will arrange yourself with the consequences.
There are worse things in this world than to spend a little more money
on a better treatment"

I've done  that a few times since I heard of my sister's death, and I've
decided I'm not going to grovel any more. Life is too short. If these
fools will continue to hold me down, I will sell the damn thing and go
somewhere else.

If I was doing well in dentistry, I'd be able to take a day off and
spend it with my brother, who is rocketing in from Africa for this
burial ceremony. Unfortunately, I cannot. My brother told me about five
years ago: "the reason you are in financial trouble is that you choose
to accept it." He is right.

I will not become arrogant, that is not in me; but I will stop eating
crow to please a sorry lot of losers.

Sorry. this time I really am finished ranting. No amount of bellyaching
will bring my sister back, and that is not what she would want. She was
a fighter. She had more than her share of adversity and bad luck in this
world, and she rose above it, and she deserves better than to be
survived by snivelling old men.

I suggest that you all go and phone your brothers and sisters.
Especially those with whom you have had bad relations. You never know
when you may be called to feel the void that I feel now, and you never
know when you will be called to cause it either.

Cheers
SP
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George Chatzipetros - 05 Jul 2005 21:29 GMT
I'm very sorry Stove.

George
carabelli - 06 Jul 2005 01:23 GMT
Condolences

carabelli
Vaughn - 06 Jul 2005 01:30 GMT
> I'm very sorry Stove.

    Us too SP.

The Simons
StovePipe - 09 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT
> > I'm very sorry Stove.
>
>      Us too SP.
>
> The Simons

Thanks again to you all. We had the service yesterday (Thursday)  and it
went well. A lot of people I  hadn't seen in years.

Thanks again
SP
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W_B - 05 Jul 2005 21:59 GMT
>Unfortunately, my sister had been in the hospital for the last two or
>three weeks and Wednesday nite last, she died quite unexpectedly ( at
>least to me ).

Deepest sympathy.
--

W_B
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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 05 Jul 2005 23:02 GMT
No words to express my heartfelt sympathy.

Gail
StovePipe - 09 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT
> No words to express my heartfelt sympathy.
>
> Gail

'Appreciate it, Thanks to all
SP
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StovePipe - 06 Jul 2005 03:49 GMT
> Unfortunately, my sister had been in the hospital for the last two or
> three weeks and Wednesday nite last, she died quite unexpectedly ( at
> least to me ).

Thank you, my friends, for expressing your sympatiies. It does mean a
lot to me.

I tagged a bit more of a rant onto DrS's reply, if you're interested.

Now, let us speak no more of it.

Thanks again
SP
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krzysztof polanowski - 06 Jul 2005 08:12 GMT
Stove  fine I have some next question of camera
1 does It have stop picture function?
2 can I put it to LCD with auto/video input
3 is It ok for you after some period ?

regards

>> Unfortunately, my sister had been in the hospital for the last two or
>> three weeks and Wednesday nite last, she died quite unexpectedly ( at
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> Thanks again
> SP
StovePipe - 09 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT
> Stove  fine I have some next question of camera
> 1 does It have stop picture function?

Non, Nein und Nyet. This is why I connect it to a VHS video recorder,
and from there to the television. I record what I see on the tape and
play it back. I freeze frame the things  I want to show the patient.

The camera is strictly online analog, with no circuitry for digitizing
or freezing the picture. It is essentially a web cam that connects to a
TV or a video recorder.

One added benefit of this: I have my hygienist film and record the whole
mouth of kids (especially new ones) and if they are apprehensive when I
come into the treatment room, I just put it on and point out everything
to them: teeth, gums, tongue... and the sit RAPT while viewing THEIR
mouths. I've even asked my secretary to have the parents bring in a VHS
tape so they can take their mouths home and show the whole neighborhood.

> 2 can I put it to LCD with auto/video input

If that equipment has phono inputs and accepts S video, I think you can,
yes. I am not 100 percent sure, though.

> 3 is It ok for you after some period ?

If you use it like I described above, or just connect it directly to a
TV to examine a tooth for the fourth canal, it is fine. The focal length
is quite long (you have to be a bit far from the surface to have it in
focus). This is a bit of a problem with second molars when you look at
the occlusal, or on the buccal of upper molars.

Other than that, for US$ 98, it is a good buy. IMO
Cheers
SP
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Bill - 10 Jul 2005 02:53 GMT
> > Stove  fine I have some next question of camera
> > 1 does It have stop picture function?
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You've done a terrific job with the camera, integrating it with the VCR
and the television.

And the price is unbeatable. Remember back to 1990, when the first
intraoral cameras (was it Fuji?) produced a circular image in the
middle of the screen, and cost what, ten or twenty thousand dollars?

And that was for a distorted image, too.

Congrats on your ability to adapt the technology in a way that benefits
both you and the patients. That was a great idea about sending the kids
home with a video recording of their own mouths!

- dentaldoc
StovePipe - 10 Jul 2005 21:13 GMT
> Congrats on your ability to adapt the technology in a way that benefits
> both you and the patients. That was a great idea about sending the kids
> home with a video recording of their own mouths!
>
> - dentaldoc

Thanks, Bill. You might try that. You have one too. If the kids come
back with their videos and you do the next recall exam and put that on
it as well, they have a bit of incentive to keep their teeth clean. I
won't say that the hygienist finds it easy to do, but it _does_ work.

Cheers
SP
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Dr Steve - 12 Jul 2005 15:03 GMT
-- > And the price is unbeatable. Remember back to 1990, when the first
> intraoral cameras (was it Fuji?) produced a circular image in the
> middle of the screen, and cost what, ten or twenty thousand dollars?
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>
> - dentaldoc

I had a Fugi DentaCam.  It was about $25K with printer.  Fantastic camera.
Far better resolution and clarity of image than any camera on the market
today.  If it was not so bulky, I would never have given it away.  There was
no image distortion.  The camera angle was at the same bevel as our mouth
mirrors.  You could invert the image so the screen image was inverted just
like when we look in a mirror.  In this mode, you could use the camera in
place of your mirror and work under microscope conditions.  You could
capture 1/4/6/9 images on once screen and print them that way.  You could do
a full size image with a 1/9 size image of the pre-op in the corner.  It was
great for insurance documentation.  You could print the patient name, SS#,
etc. and a 2-4 line description on the picture.  Great Device!
 
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