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Keith P Walsh - 18 Jun 2005 12:17 GMT
It appears that some members of the dental profession are of the
opinion that there is no such thing as a "mercury amalgam".

The "reasoning" is that since an amalgam is formed by mixing solid
metals with liquid mercury, giving rise to "copper amalgams", "gold
amalgams" etc. depending on the nature of the solid metal used in the
mixture, then if one uses the term "mercury amalgam" this implies that
one thinks that one can form an amalgam by mixing liquid mercury with
liquid mercury.

But it doesn't imply any such thing.

If you do a search on "amalgam" you will find that there are lots of
usages of the word other than those associated with mercury (for
example you can have an "amalgam" of political ideologies).

So, if we wish to be precise in establishing that we are referring to
the type of metallic material commonly used in restorative dentistry,
we can describe it as "an amalgam of metals formed by mixing grains of
a solid metal alloy with liquid mercury at room temperature and
allowing the mixture to harden".

However, once we have established that this is what we are referring
to we can quite logically abbreviate this discription to "mercury
amalgam", and those amongst us of a rational disposition will
understand perfectly well what is meant.

Indeed, since the liquid mercury is the essential component in forming
materials of this nature, it is particularly apposite that the word
"mercury" is included in any abbreviated term used in describing this
class of material generally.

Members of the dental profession are not qualified to dictate the
rules of language use. (Though it no longer surprises me that some of
them have the arrogance to presume that they are.)

And there is a hint of cowardice in the tactic of diverting legitimate
enquiries regarding the physical nature of dental materials by the
irrelevant quibbling over terminologies.

I would encourage anyone concerned about the fillings in their teeth
to have the confidence to call these materials what they are.

Mercury amalgams.

Keith P Walsh
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 18 Jun 2005 13:56 GMT
> It appears that some members of the dental profession are of the
> opinion that there is no such thing as a "mercury amalgam".
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> rules of language use. (Though it no longer surprises me that some of
> them have the arrogance to presume that they are.)

    Mercury amalgam is a pleonasm, Keith.  You do know what a pleonasm is,
dontcha Keith?  It's like saying AC current.

Steve

> And there is a hint of cowardice in the tactic of diverting legitimate
> enquiries regarding the physical nature of dental materials by the
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>
> Keith P Walsh

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Keith P Walsh - 18 Jun 2005 14:09 GMT
>    Mercury amalgam is a pleonasm, Keith.

No it isn't.

On its own the word "amalgam" is insufficient in definition to
distinguish between a political amalgam and a mercury amalgam.

Case proven, I think.

Keith P Walsh
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 18 Jun 2005 14:59 GMT
>>    Mercury amalgam is a pleonasm, Keith.
>
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>
> Keith P Walsh

Well, Keith, context is everything.  In a dental office, we could
probably agree what amalgam is.  I think it would be pretty tough to
claim the term is confuscatory.  To me the term dental amalgam is pretty
clear--no more confusing (in fact considerably less so) than the term
"composite".  I'm sure you'd agree there are probably a few alternative
ways to refer to quartz-filled bis-acryl resins that might be clearer.
So when someone uses the term "mercury" amalgams, it tells ME
considerably more about the person using it than it does about the
material itself.
AC DC could refer to electrical currents, or it could refer to an aged
rock band whose lead singer has big lips.  Steve Mancuso may be able to
elaborate as to whether the average electrician would need to elaborate
on which flavor of AC DC he is referring to in the normal course of a
day's work.

Steve

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clintonz@prodigy.net - 18 Jun 2005 17:04 GMT
this issue is more serious than you may think. If I had
known Hg was in fillings I am sure I would not be in
the mess I am in today. However it is a good illustration of
fate.

When studying for my SATS in Barrons I underlined the following
words in the A's as unknown (even though I pretty much knew
the first two):

Allude
Allusion
Alluvial
Amble,

skipping over
"amalgamate" - the definition given was, to combine;unite in
one body.

Now with my false sense of what amalgam really meant from reading that
and previous learning I actually read this in college chemistry (I
checked the book I used):

"Another way of removing metallic gold and silver from their
ores is to treat the mixture with metallic mercury-a liquid
in which silver and gold dissolve to form an alloy called
an amalgam...you are probably familiar with silver and gold amalgams as
the material used by dentists to fill teeth."

Notice that the above passage wins first prize for a confusing
definiton of amalgam and could be interpreted to mean
that mercury dissolved with silver could be considered an
amalgam but not necessarily that an amalgam always contains
Hg.

A few years later I developed more serious symptoms of Hg from amalgam,
but it never dawned on me then that the above passage absolutely meant
that Hg is in dental amalgam, probably because it seemed impossible and
because I thought they were using the term amalgam to  mean a
combination of a material containing silver. I suppose if I was a
better reader I would have gotten the point, but
I think it is also a poor commentary on dental terminlolgy that
delibrately seems choosen to confuse the public and perpetuate
this kind of confusion, to say the very least.
Keith P Walsh - 19 Jun 2005 10:15 GMT
>this issue is more serious than you may think.

clintonz,

Thank you for your contribution.

I hope that you haven't underestimated the seriousness with which I
regard this issue.

I think that it is perfectly reasonable that the description of the
class of materials which are formed by mixing grains of a solid metal
with liquid mercury at room temperature and allowing the mixture to
harden should be abbreviated to "mercury amalgams", and that the use
of this term should neither imply nor induce any general
misunderstanding in the minds of rational people as to how these
materials are constituted.

Do you agree?

Keith P Walsh
clintonz@prodigy.net - 19 Jun 2005 16:10 GMT
> >this issue is more serious than you may think.
>
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>
> I think that it is perfectly reasonable that the description of the

I was not referring to you but Steve B. I agree with Jan that
whatever you call fillings it should be clear that they contain
Hg. Here are some more interesting definitions:

amalgam;

to unite combine or alloy.
a combination or mixture of different elements

the dictionary uses the following
sentences

an --- of peasants and businessmen
an ---- of wisdom and nonsense
mercury ---ing with an alloy

so the dictionary itself uses mercury with the term amalgamating.

Its clear that amalgam is used to denote combinations of physical
objects or elements as well as abstract concepts
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Jun 2005 16:55 GMT
>>this issue is more serious than you may think.
>
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>
> Keith P Walsh

    To be fair, shouldn't we be calling it mercury amalgam of silver, tin,
and sometimes copper and/or zinc?

Steve

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LadyLollipop - 19 Jun 2005 19:48 GMT
>>>this issue is more serious than you may think.
>>
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>
> Steve

LOL, that was nonsense.

Jan
carabelli - 19 Jun 2005 20:07 GMT
"Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinnonsense@earthlink.net> wrote................

> To be fair, shouldn't we be calling it mercury amalgam of silver, tin, and
> sometimes copper and/or zinc?
>
> Steve

Yup, but the would be demagogues won't like it, simply because it's a
truthful statement.

carabelli
Tony Bad - 19 Jun 2005 04:32 GMT
> AC DC could refer to electrical currents, or it could refer to an aged
> rock band whose lead singer has big lips.  Steve Mancuso may be able to
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>
> Steve

It is actually the guitar player who has the big lips...otherwise I'm with
you!

(;^D)

T
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Jun 2005 16:48 GMT
>>AC DC could refer to electrical currents, or it could refer to an aged
>>rock band whose lead singer has big lips.  Steve Mancuso may be able to
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>
> T

    I never examined Joe Perry's lips that closely--thought it was Steve Tyler.

Steve

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Tony Bad - 20 Jun 2005 02:42 GMT
> I never examined Joe Perry's lips that closely--thought it was Steve Tyler.
>
> Steve

I am guessing there aren't any AC/DC albums in your collection!

Joe Perry and Steven Tyler are in Aerosmith, and both have very large
lips...but Angus Young, the guitarist of AC/DC does have rather full lips as
well. Am I straying off topic?

T
Steven Bornfeld - 20 Jun 2005 02:51 GMT
>>I never examined Joe Perry's lips that closely--thought it was Steve
>
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>
> T

    Only slightly.  We should be aware of lip size.  But shut my mouth!!
That's a lot of big lips.

Steve

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Tony Bad - 20 Jun 2005 02:57 GMT
> >>I never examined Joe Perry's lips that closely--thought it was Steve
> >
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>
> Steve

LOL...who says you can't learn REAL important stuff here on SMD!.

Hope you had a happy father's day!

Tony
Keith P Walsh - 20 Jun 2005 08:14 GMT
The glee with which you revel in your own ignorance has the air of
pathetic desperation.

Enquiries concerning the electrical properties of dental amalgams can
be found at:

book.boot.users.btopenworld.com\intro.htm

Keith P Walsh
Vaughn - 20 Jun 2005 11:22 GMT
> The glee with which you revel in your own ignorance has the air of
> pathetic desperation.

    Strong words from someone whom I dismissed as a pathetic troll years ago.

Vaughn
Tony Bad - 20 Jun 2005 14:41 GMT
> The glee with which you revel in your own ignorance has the air of
> pathetic desperation.
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>
> Keith P Walsh

Since this seems to have been a reply to my post, I owe you a thank you for
noticing my glee. I confess that I have often taken note of your ignorance,
and now feel a bit embarrassed for never complimenting you.

T
W_B - 20 Jun 2005 17:46 GMT
>The glee with which you revel in your own ignorance has the air of
>pathetic desperation.

That 'air' that you smell was emitted from Uranus.

Searching for Klingons ?
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Steven Bornfeld - 20 Jun 2005 13:50 GMT
> LOL...who says you can't learn REAL important stuff here on SMD!.
>
> Hope you had a happy father's day!
>
> Tony

    Very nice, thanks.  I don't even know if you're a dad, but hope you had
a nice one in any case.

Steve

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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 17:43 GMT
>> I never examined Joe Perry's lips that closely--thought it was Steve
>Tyler.
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>
>T

Sounds orally related to me.

Love them knickers.

Don't forget about Malcolm.
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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 17:39 GMT
>>>AC DC could refer to electrical currents, or it could refer to an aged
>>>rock band whose lead singer has big lips.  Steve Mancuso may be able to
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>Steve

That'd be Aerosmith.

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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 17:25 GMT
>> AC DC could refer to electrical currents, or it could refer to an aged
>> rock band whose lead singer has big lips.  Steve Mancuso may be able to
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>
>T

Angus or Malcolm ?
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Keith P Walsh - 19 Jun 2005 09:56 GMT
>Well, Keith, context is everything.  In a dental office, we could
>probably agree what amalgam is.  I think it would be pretty tough to
>claim the term is confuscatory.  To me the term dental amalgam is pretty
>clear-

"Dental amalgam" is fine.

Of course, some mercury amalgams are used in applications other than
dentistry.

For example, zinc-mercury amalgam is useful for the electrodes of
electrical cells. See:

http://www.machinedesign.com/BDE/Electrical/bdeee7/bdeee7_10.html

I wonder if the particular electrical properties of this amalgam are
shared by the mercury amalgams commonly used in dentistry.

Which reminds me, do you know if anyone has ever measured the
electrical conductivity of a typical dental amalgam?

Keith P Walsh

PS, further enquiries concerning the electrical properties of dental
amalgams can be found at:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Jun 2005 16:53 GMT
> Of course, some mercury amalgams are used in applications other than
> dentistry.
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>
> http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm

Oh, Keith--you're as constant as the sun!
Nice to know there will always be things we can depend on! ;-)

Steve

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Keith P Walsh - 19 Jun 2005 18:46 GMT
>> Of course, some mercury amalgams are used in applications other than
>> dentistry.
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>
>Steve

The electrical properties of a material are what determine its
behavior when it is subjected to an electromagnetic field.

If you were a scientist then the fact that there doesn't appear to be
anyone anywhere in the world who knows what the electrical properties
of a typical dental amalgam are would make you feel ignorant and
uncomfortable. (Remember that amalgam fillings are placed in
children's teeth.)

And your confidence in your ability to give this material its correct
name would offer you scant compensation.

Keith P Walsh

PS, an electromagnetic field is able to induce an electrical potential
in an electrically conductive material without any "galvanic" activity
taking place.
W_B - 20 Jun 2005 17:32 GMT
>Which reminds me, do you know if anyone has ever measured the
>electrical conductivity of a typical dental amalgam?
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>
>>.................................................................................... http://billy.bong.users.openwound.cum/intro.htm

346 mV ? I knew it !

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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 17:00 GMT
>AC DC could refer to electrical currents, or it could refer to an aged
>rock band whose lead singer has big lips.  Steve Mancuso may be able to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Steve

Have heard that AC/DC may also refer to a switch hitter.
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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 16:59 GMT
>>    Mercury amalgam is a pleonasm, Keith.
>
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>
>Keith P Walsh

You have yet to prove that you think.

347 mV ?
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StovePipe - 04 Jul 2005 15:58 GMT
> >     Mercury amalgam is a pleonasm, Keith.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Keith P Walsh

The last time I placed a political amalgam in a tooth, it died of
democratic apathy.
SP
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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 16:58 GMT
>> Members of the dental profession are not qualified to dictate the
>> rules of language use. (Though it no longer surprises me that some of
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>
>Steve

The Department of Redundancy Department
has approved your pleonasm accepted.
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George Chatzipetros - 18 Jun 2005 20:38 GMT
>From the Oxford Advanced Leanrners Dictionary 2000:

amal·gam /{schwa}{mælg{schwa}m/ noun
1 [C, usually sing.] ~ (of sth) (formal) a mixture or combination of
things: The film script is an amalgam of all three books. an amalgam of
several companies and organizations
2 [U] (technical) a mixture of mercury and another metal, used
especially to fill holes in teeth

>From Dictionary.com:

a·mal·gam   Audio pronunciation of "amalgam" ( P )  Pronunciation Key
(-mlgm)
n.

  1. Any of various alloys of mercury with other metals, especially:
        1. An alloy of mercury and silver used in dental fillings.
        2. An alloy of mercury and tin used in silvering mirrors.
  2. A combination of diverse elements; a mixture: an amalgam of
strength, reputation, and commitment to ethical principles.

I could probably go on.
What do we learn here? Simple English! Amalgam is a mixture of mercury
and other metals. There can be no material called amalgam without
mercury. When you want to refer to mixtures of metals not containing
mercury, you can use the most common term ALLOY.
So yes, mercury amalgam is too much, since there can't be a gold
amalgam or a silver amalgam (it's gold alloy and silver alloy).
Next time I suggest you check the facts about the English language
before you go on to attack the dental profession. You don't even have
to pay for a dictionary; it's all free in the web.
Vaughn - 18 Jun 2005 21:14 GMT
>From the Oxford Advanced Leanrners Dictionary 2000:

amal·gam /{schwa}{mælg{schwa}m/ noun
1 [C, usually sing.] ~ (of sth) (formal) a mixture or combination of
things: The film script is an amalgam of all three books. an amalgam of
several companies and organizations
2 [U] (technical) a mixture of mercury and another metal, used
especially to fill holes in teeth

>From Dictionary.com:

a·mal·gam   Audio pronunciation of "amalgam" ( P )  Pronunciation Key
(-mlgm)
n.

  1. Any of various alloys of mercury with other metals, especially:
        1. An alloy of mercury and silver used in dental fillings.
        2. An alloy of mercury and tin used in silvering mirrors.
  2. A combination of diverse elements; a mixture: an amalgam of
strength, reputation, and commitment to ethical principles.

>There can be no material called amalgam without
mercury.

    Wait a minute!  Does not (1) from Oxford above and (2) from Dictionary.com
both define a noun "amalgam" with no mention of mercury?  Did I miss something
here?

    I am only responding to your comments on English usage.  I am happy to
leave the general amalgam discussion to others.

Vaughn
clintonz@prodigy.net - 18 Jun 2005 22:07 GMT
> >There can be no material called amalgam without
> mercury.
>
>      Wait a minute!  Does not (1) from Oxford above and (2) from Dictionary.com
> both define a noun "amalgam" with no mention of mercury?  Did I miss something

Precisely! Amalgam has a general meaning which means a combining
of dissimilar things. It also has more specific usage to mean
a material comprised partly of Hg. I could define a play as
an amalgam or combination of different kinds of humor, using meaning
(1). Similarily if one uses mercury with the word amalgam one could
also be using definition (1). It is not inconsistnent to , refer to a
combination of materials which contains Hg as
an Hg (containing) material combination or "Hg amalgam" using
definition (1). Only if one conviently assumes that the (2)
definition must be used if Hg is contained in the same sentence
is the term Hg amalgam inconsistent.

> here?
>
>      I am only responding to your comments on English usage.  I am happy to
> leave the general amalgam discussion to others.
>
> Vaughn
George Chatzipetros - 19 Jun 2005 00:17 GMT
Are you people for real??!!!
When the world AMALGAM is used to describe a material, then that
material has to have MERCURY in it. Period. Mixtures of other metals
must be called as alloys.
Describing a material as mercury amalgam is like going to a diner,
asking for an egg omelette and the wondering why everybody's laughing
at you.
The world amalgam is occassionally used to define a mixture of ABSTRACT
things, like an amalgam of cultures, an amalgam of qualities etc. When
used to describe a material you use the technical definition, so it
always defines a mercury + other elements compound. Just as when you
say omelette, you mean eggs + other stuff (i like tomato, peppers and
feta cheese).

George
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Jun 2005 04:08 GMT
> Are you people for real??!!!
> When the world AMALGAM is used to describe a material, then that
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>
> George

George--

    What do they call ricotta salada in Greece?  I recently started buying
Greek ricotta salada--the best I've ever tasted--far creamier and richer
than what I'd had before.  But it's marked ricotta salada!

Steve

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George Chatzipetros - 19 Jun 2005 09:16 GMT
Steve, I really don't know. I never cared much about salad, as long as
it had tomato and some green stuff in it!.

George
clintonz@prodigy.net - 19 Jun 2005 07:11 GMT
Mixtures of other metals
> must be called as alloys.
> Describing a material as mercury amalgam is like going to a diner,
> asking for an egg omelette and the wondering why everybody's laughing
> at you.

Not really, omelette means mixture of eggs. Nobody would ever
refer to a play as an "omelette" of different kinds of humor
or a jury as an "omelette" of citizens from different backgrounds.
They would however refer to a jury say, as an "amalgam" of different
backrounds.

People familar with materials may realize the technical meaning
of amalgam, but most people are only familiar with the more
general definition. Maybe that is a commentary on public
education or changing usage, but ask yourself if you only
knew definition (#1) and someone said this is a silver amalgam
what conclusion would you draw?

> The world amalgam is occassionally used to define a mixture of ABSTRACT
> things, like an amalgam of cultures, an amalgam of qualities etc. When
> used to describe a material you use the technical definition, so it

If you took a survey of people you would find that most are
not familiar with the technical definition of amalgam, so they
apply the same general definition even for materials by default. In
fact after at least 4 years of chemistry and countless years of
English in school I was unaware of that. However I always referred
to tooth restorations as fillings. I suppose if people had always
referred to "tooth amalgams" eventually I would have gotten irritated
and asked why they kept calling it an amalgam.
George Chatzipetros - 19 Jun 2005 09:21 GMT
I'm sorry if most people don't know the technical definition for an
amalgam, but it is a common definition that can be found in a layman's
dictionary; you don't need to open up any chemistry book. Naming a
mixture of mercury with other metals, mercury amalgam just to cover
those who don't know is idiotic. You could perhaps call it
"mercury-based dental restorative" as a layman definition, but not
mercury amalgam!

George
LadyLollipop - 19 Jun 2005 09:43 GMT
> I'm sorry if most people don't know the technical definition for an
> amalgam, but it is a common definition that can be found in a layman's
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>
> George

They don't want to call them mercury amalgams. because  they can NOT explain
how they are dangerous BEFORE they go IN the mouth and dangerous the minute
they come OUT, but the ONLY place they are safe is IN the teeth. They can't
explain just where in *mid air* they suddenly became dangerous again.

Only a fool would believe such total nonsense.

Jan
StovePipe - 04 Jul 2005 15:58 GMT
> world amalgam

.....'world amalgam'..... Sounds like a really cool name for a rock
group....

Hey George, do you play? We have at least three guitarists: W_B, SB and
SP. We need a bassist and a drummer.
SP
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W_B - 20 Jun 2005 16:21 GMT
>If you do a search on "amalgam" you will find that there are lots of
>usages of the word other than those associated with mercury (for
>example you can have an "amalgam" of political ideologies).

Incorrect usage is still incorrect.

>So, if we wish to be precise in establishing that we are referring to
>the type of metallic material commonly used in restorative dentistry,
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>amalgam", and those amongst us of a rational disposition will
>understand perfectly well what is meant.

Nope, only for dolts such as yourself.

Amalgam, by definition, contains Hg.

>Indeed, since the liquid mercury is the essential component in forming
>materials of this nature, it is particularly apposite that the word
>"mercury" is included in any abbreviated term used in describing this
>class of material generally.

Bullsh*t.

What about 348 mV ?
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Keith P Walsh - 20 Jun 2005 19:36 GMT
>>If you do a search on "amalgam" you will find that there are lots of
>>usages of the word other than those associated with mercury (for
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>
>Amalgam, by definition, contains Hg.

You appear to be telling me that it is wrong to call mercury amalgams
"mercury amalgams" because they've all got mercury in them.

I think you've been sold a lemon.

Steven Bornfield was right when when said "context is everything".

I appreciate that in any discussion where the identity of the solid
metals mixed with mercury to form amalgams is contextually
significant, then it should be either necessary or at least helpful to
refer to each amalgam by the name(s) of its solid constituent(s), and
that the use of the term "mercury amalgam" would be superfluous and
should perhaps be avoided in order to prevent possible
misunderstandings.

Nevertheless I think that to elevate these principles to the status of
linguistic and/or scientific maxims which are to be strictly applied
in all other contexts is arrogant, silly and wrong.

When a dentist is discussing the relative merits of "mercury amalgam"
and "composit resin" fillings with a patient, then the use of the term
"mercury amalgam" is a perfectly adequate unmisleading, logical and
(dare I say it) honest abbreviation for "a material which is formed by
mixing grains of a solid metal alloy with liquid mercury at room
temperature and allowing the mixture to harden".

Or a materials scientist might discuss the advantages of using a
"mercury amalgam" electrode in a battery, rather than a titanium alloy
one.

I believe that in these contexts the use of the term "mercury amalgam"
is valid.

And I think that the reason why you disagree is because you are not
able to discern the difference between contexts.

As I said before, dentists are not qualified to dictate the rules of
language use.

And the tactic of diverting legitimate enquiries regarding the
physical properties of dental amalgams by the irrelevant quibbling
over terminologies is both cowardly and dishonest.

Keith P Walsh

By the way, do you know if dental amalgams have similar electrical
properties to the mercury amalgams which are used for the electrodes
of some electric batteries?
W_B - 20 Jun 2005 19:38 GMT
>then the use of the term
>"mercury amalgam" is a perfectly adequate unmisleading, logical and
>(dare I say it) honest abbreviation for "a material which is formed by
>mixing grains of a solid metal alloy with liquid mercury at room
>temperature and allowing the mixture to harden".

Redundancy is redundant.
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Keith P Walsh - 22 Jun 2005 12:47 GMT
> >then the use of the term
> >"mercury amalgam" is a perfectly adequate unmisleading, logical and
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> Redundancy is redundant.
> --

So what if "redundacy is redundant"?

The use of "redundant" words in language is not erroneous "per se".

Sometimes it helps.

And it's not necessarily all that important.

No person of any rational disposition would ever seriously infer that
if I use the term "mercury amalgam" then it must mean that I think that
I can form an amalgam by mixing liquid mercury with liquid mercury.

I believe that the collective inability of people to either recognise
or address their own ignorance is a tendency which has much more
serious potential consequences.

For example, it has been demonstrated experimentally that metal amalgam
dental fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to
350 millivolts.

See:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm

And the resting potential of the human neurological synapse is only 70
millivolts.

However, it appears that there isn't anyone anywhere in the world who
knows whether or not the electrical potentials generated by amalgam
fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in
people's heads.

This is because it also appears that no-one has ever carried out the
experimental investigations necessary to find out.

In this state of ignorance it is not possible to say how much influence
the dissipation of electrical energy from fillings through the nerves
in people's heads has in causing the so-called "psychiatric" disorders
known as "depression", "stress", "schizophrenia", etc.

Many millions of dollars have been spent on research attempting to
demonstrate that the root causes of disorders such as these are
"genetic".

So far without success.

That amounts to many millions of dollars worth of evidence that the
root causes of disorders such as these are NOT "genetic".

By comparison, it appears that nothing at all has been spent on
attempting to demonstrate that the root cause of these disorders is not
the dissipation of electrical energy through the nerves in people's
heads as a result of the generation of electrical potentials by the
mercury amalgam fillings in their teeth.

So there is no scientific evidence that this is not the cause (a
"double negative" which I am confident linguistic experts will agree is
perfectly valid).

And if you honestly believe that establishing a proper scientific
understanding of the consequences of the electrical behavior of dental
amalgams is less important than getting its name right, then all I can
say is that it isn't me who's the dolt.

It's you.

Keith P Walsh
StovePipe - 04 Jul 2005 15:58 GMT
> It appears that some members of the dental profession are of the
> opinion that there is no such thing as a "mercury amalgam".

That's just the way it is... Some things'll never change....

> I would encourage anyone concerned about the fillings in their teeth
> to have the confidence to call these materials what they are.
>
> Mercury amalgams.

The name amalgam implies mercury as the amalgamator. No necessity to
repeat it repeatedly.

KPW, I'll tell you what _I_ call amalgams: good fillings for those
patients and situations where they are indicated.
JMO
SP

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Keith P Walsh - 05 Jul 2005 19:52 GMT
>KPW, I'll tell you what _I_ call amalgams: good fillings for those
>patients and situations where they are indicated.

It has been demonstrated experimentally that metal amalgam dental
fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to 350
millivolts.

See:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm

And the resting potential of the human neurological synapse is only 70
millivolts.

However, it appears that experimental investigations to determine
whether or not the electrical potentials generated by amalgam fillings
are able to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's
heads have never been carried out.

The widespread adoption of metal amalgams for use in restorative
dentistry was quickly followed by the rise to prominence of
psychiatric "medicine" in our societies.

In recent years many millions of dollars have been spent on research
attempting to demonstrate that the causes of so-called psychiatric
disorders such as "stress", "depression", schizophrenia, etc., are
"genetic".

So far without success.

That amounts to many millions of dollars worth of evidence that the
causes of disorders such as these is not "genetic".

However at the same time it appears that nothing at all has been spent
on attempting to demonstrate that "stress", "depression",
"schizophrenia", etc., are not caused by the dissipation of electrical
energy through the nerves in people's heads as a result of the
electrical potentials generated by the amalgam fillings in their
teeth.

So if anyone ever asks you if amalgam fillings are "safe", the only
honest answer you can give is that you don't know.

Do you know if studies have ever been carried out in order to
determine whether or not the victims of suicide have larger than
average amounts of dental amalgam in their teeth?

Keith P Walsh

PS, enquiries concerning the electrical properties of dental amalgams
can be found at:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm
 
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