Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / June 2005
Some dumb crown related questions
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Rick - 17 Jun 2005 04:06 GMT I'm in my 40's and have quite a few heavy fillings in most of my molars. I recently attended a dental clinic for the first time and they advised me that I need 6 crowns. Apparently if I don't get the crowns I run the risk of breaking the fillings and the underlying tooth. Just how true is this, and do crowns last longer than fillings? I asked about the longevity of crowns and one dentist said they could do me my lifetime, whereas another one (in the same clinic!) said 10 - 15 years. Asuming I live longer than 15 years, if I get 15 years from a crown can I simply get it recrowned?
One last unconnected question... is cleaning of teeth by a dentist a necessary procedure? This clinic have advised that they clean my teeth, even though they have inspected them and classed them as being in fair condition. It has been about 3 years since my last cleaning. What gives me some concern is that they want CAN$150 for the cleaning.
I guess dentists are just like any other business. As soon as you walk in the door they try and sell you all sorts of stuff. Some worthwhile, some not. The problem is knowing which is which.
Charlie - 17 Jun 2005 11:35 GMT It is prudent to place a restoration that protects the biting surface of a back tooth when the tooth is heavily restored. If the tooth has had a root canal in addition to large fillings, it becomes considerably more important, in the you-better-do-it-or-yer-gonna-lose-the-tooth range.
Leaving the root canal out of the equation, though, most of the back teeth with large fillings that break can still be restored once they do so. Usually it's a corner of the tooth that fractures off.
A small percent will fracture vertically and have to be extracted. My wife lost a tooth with a little, dinky filling in it this way. No one would have looked at it prior to the break and thought it needed a cusp-protecting restoration. So, sh--t happens, no? I'm still trying to get her to do an implant.
So, the best restoration for a heavily filled back tooth is something that protects the biting surface. Crown, 3/4 crown, onlay. Crowns aren't the most conservative - sometimes they're the best choice, but they're not the only choice in many instances. My brother recently had an onlay after a minor fracture on a molar following the advice that it would be better than a refill. 'Course he's well off, can afford the best. He had a Cerec onlay which is an all-ceramic, tooth-colored restoration that protects the biting surfaces.
A lot of folks do not need a cleaning every 6 months. My patients who fall in this category are offered a longer interval - usually a year. Most of them still prefer every 6 months.
wasser - 17 Jun 2005 16:19 GMT [snip]
> I guess dentists are just like any other business. As soon as you walk in > the door they try and sell you all sorts of stuff. Some worthwhile, some > not. The problem is knowing which is which. Comparison shop.
Go to two or three different dentists (in totally different clinics) and have each one evaluate you and make recommendations. In each case, pretend that you're only seeing that dentist. Also, don't "lead" the dentists by suggesting anything - let them all draw their own conclusions without any prodding from you. When you're done, sit down and compare the recommendations from all the dentists; wherever there's overlap, that's probably something you ought to have done. Then go back to whichever dentist you liked the most, and make an appointment to have the work done.
Matt - 27 Jun 2005 01:01 GMT > One last unconnected question... is cleaning of teeth by a dentist a > necessary procedure? This clinic have advised that they clean my teeth, even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the door they try and sell you all sorts of stuff. Some worthwhile, some > not. The problem is knowing which is which. Some people can go twenty years without a cleaning with no ill effect. It depends on the individual's physiology, diet, and hygiene. If you have gone three years without cleaning, you may be one of the lucky ones. Ask them for the specific indications that you need a cleaning. Then go to another dentist and ask the same question. In twenty years you might save $3000 and some time and some cleaning-related damage to your teeth.
W_B - 27 Jun 2005 15:56 GMT >> One last unconnected question... is cleaning of teeth by a dentist a >> necessary procedure? This clinic have advised that they clean my teeth, even [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Some people can go twenty years without a cleaning with no ill effect. Bull sh*t.
>It depends on the individual's physiology, diet, and hygiene. If you >have gone three years without cleaning, you may be one of the lucky >ones. Doubtful.
> Ask them for the specific indications that you need a cleaning. >Then go to another dentist and ask the same question. Second opinion is often a good idea.
>In twenty years >you might save $3000 and some time and some cleaning-related damage to >your teeth. Cleaning related damage ? Horse sh*t. --
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Matt - 27 Jun 2005 19:23 GMT >>>One last unconnected question... is cleaning of teeth by a dentist a >>>necessary procedure? This clinic have advised that they clean my teeth, even [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Cleaning related damage ? > Horse sh*t. Having a technical degree and lots of experience doesn't imply that somebody knows everything in his field or that he is honest. Clearly it doesn't imply that he has good manners.
Are you telling us that you have never had somebody come in for a checkup for the first time in ten years when you couldn't really find anything wrong with his teeth?
W_B - 27 Jun 2005 20:23 GMT >Are you telling us that you have never had somebody come in for a >checkup for the first time in ten years when you couldn't really find >anything wrong with his teeth? That's it in a nutshell.
Something brings them into the office. --
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Matt - 27 Jun 2005 20:52 GMT >>Are you telling us that you have never had somebody come in for a >>checkup for the first time in ten years when you couldn't really find [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Something brings them into the office. Then has the following ever happened?
Somebody comes in for a problem such as a leaky filling or a broken molar and they tell you they haven't seen a dentist for ten years. You look at their teeth and they don't have significant tartar.
W_B - 27 Jun 2005 21:41 GMT >>>Are you telling us that you have never had somebody come in for a >>>checkup for the first time in ten years when you couldn't really find [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >molar and they tell you they haven't seen a dentist for ten years. You >look at their teeth and they don't have significant tartar. Doesn't happen. --
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Matt - 28 Jun 2005 03:33 GMT >>Then has the following ever happened? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Doesn't happen. Tell us whether this is accurate: If it did happen, you wouldn't want anybody to know about it. You wouldn't even want yourself to know about it.
W_B - 28 Jun 2005 15:43 GMT >>>Then has the following ever happened? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Tell us whether this is accurate: If it did happen, you wouldn't want >anybody to know about it. You wouldn't even want yourself to know about it. Am telling you that I have never seen this. --
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Steven Fawks - 27 Jun 2005 22:17 GMT > Then has the following ever happened? > > Somebody comes in for a problem such as a leaky filling or a broken > molar and they tell you they haven't seen a dentist for ten years. You > look at their teeth and they don't have significant tartar. Not that I can remember (in the past 26 years).
Yes, I see a few who could get their teeth cleaned only every 2-3 years, but not 10.
JME, Fawks
james - 27 Jun 2005 20:30 GMT > >>>One last unconnected question... is cleaning of teeth by a dentist a > >>>necessary procedure? This clinic have advised that they clean my teeth, even [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > checkup for the first time in ten years when you couldn't really find > anything wrong with his teeth? I can find something wrong in ANYBODY'S mouth if I look hard enough, because n-o-b-o-d-y has absolutely perfect teeth and gums.
clifffreeling@yahoo.com - 27 Jun 2005 21:53 GMT > I can find something wrong in ANYBODY'S mouth if I look hard enough, > because n-o-b-o-d-y has absolutely perfect teeth and gums. Yep, you guys are just like auto mechanics, HVAC guys and the like; just so happens that teeth is your line. A lot of auto "service and repair" places offer free inspections. I've often wondered just what % of these inspections reveal no problems that need to be addressed... about 0-to-1% maybe?
-- Cliff
carabelli - 27 Jun 2005 22:06 GMT > > I can find something wrong in ANYBODY'S mouth if I look hard enough, > > because n-o-b-o-d-y has absolutely perfect teeth and gums. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Cliff Well I can promise you that if you presented yourself in my office, no treatment would be proposed.
carabelli
W_B - 27 Jun 2005 22:16 GMT >> > I can find something wrong in ANYBODY'S mouth if I look hard enough, >> > because n-o-b-o-d-y has absolutely perfect teeth and gums. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >carabelli Well he would need his head pulled from his a** before you could examine his teeth. --
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clifffreeling@yahoo.com - 27 Jun 2005 21:48 GMT > >Some people can go twenty years without a cleaning with no ill effect. > > Bull sh*t. Oh yeah? I'm 48, and had the first cleaning in *my life* only a month or so ago. I can't tell any difference either. So-called cleanings by dental offices are a pocket-pad activity as far as I can tell, unless, that is, your patients are slobs who take shitty care of their teeth, which in your case, I wouldn't doubt.
-- Cliff
Rick - 28 Jun 2005 04:16 GMT >> >Some people can go twenty years without a cleaning with no ill effect. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that is, your patients are slobs who take shitty care of their teeth, > which in your case, I wouldn't doubt. I'm with you. I mean, how did humans survive the last 3 million years without dentists? (Mind you, they didn't have a lot of refined sugar either, but let's not nit-pick here).
carabelli - 28 Jun 2005 05:05 GMT >>> >Some people can go twenty years without a cleaning with no ill effect. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > without dentists? (Mind you, they didn't have a lot of refined sugar > either, but let's not nit-pick here). Well in a frame of reference of 3 million years there were a lot of hominids that didn't need their teeth after age 30. I want you and Matt to feel free to avoid the dentist for the next 30 years and then get back to us with your reports. You don't need to have teeth to live to a ripe old age - that is your decision. Caveat - there is more to dentistry than teeth.
carabelli
james - 28 Jun 2005 11:56 GMT > >> >Some people can go twenty years without a cleaning with no ill effect. > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > without dentists? (Mind you, they didn't have a lot of refined sugar either, > but let's not nit-pick here). Simple, they dropped dead by age 30 or so.
Dr Steve - 28 Jun 2005 12:37 GMT case, I wouldn't doubt.
> I'm with you. I mean, how did humans survive the last 3 million years > without dentists? (Mind you, they didn't have a lot of refined sugar > either, but let's not nit-pick here). They died at age 30 in for the first 99% of human history. Often with huge dental abscesses.
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