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The Webby - 15 Jun 2005 02:20 GMT
I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
that the groups share interests.  Clearly, not all posts should go to
both but for the time being, trying to revitalize asj-d , I decided to
put the posts to both groups of lurkers and posters.

I sincerely appreciate any support you might offer.  Clearly, things
have changed over the past ten years and there remains much that can be
discussed with good reason.

The Webby
Dr. Steve - 15 Jun 2005 02:41 GMT
>I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
>sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
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>
>The Webby

I would agree 100 %
..
Stephen
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
StovePipe - 15 Jun 2005 13:42 GMT
> I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
> sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> The Webby

Do you have any info on sleep apnea devices and potential damage to
joints that these can produce? Has anyone over on the other side
discussed that?
Thanks
SP
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The Webby - 15 Jun 2005 14:15 GMT
> > I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
> > sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Thanks
> SP

Thinking back, as opposed to reviewing any historical data, I can't say
that I recall this being a strong issue.  However, when the sleep
studies began to take prominence, there "seemed to be" a surge in the
buzz coming from patients wanting to know more about sleep disorders and
TMJ.  I don't know that any device in and of itself led some people into
joint trouble, but I do have recollection of some people having joint
surgery *and* sleep disorders.  As for true sleep apnea ... I can't say
that I can offer anything specific.

During the 1980's you could toss out just about anything as an unproven
but accepted possible-cause for "TMJ".  The point being that people were
being aggressively treated for "TMJ" with just about anything
imaginable.  The idea of etiology unknown (or in common lay language,
"we just don't know what causes this") was a dangerous thing indeed.  
Every type of practitioner found a way to get on the bandwagon.  

People were put on anti-depressants for "sleep" problems that were
associated with "TMJ pain".  Whether or not the pain was in the
temporomandibular joint or "headache" of some sort was never clearly
distinguished.  Everything was rolled into one large and overly broad
category under the heading of "TMJ".

As an example of how "crazy" this term was... I had doctors who insisted
that I didn't have "TMJ" even though my TMJs were ankylosed.  The
reason?  Those people thought "TMJ" was a psychiatric diagnosis rather
than a medical one.  

Pardon me for sliding off course there just a bit, but in order to
express how confusing things were, I felt it was necessary.  All in all,
I'd like to know what the dental professionals have to say in reply to
your very interesting question.  Have you seen this in your practice?

Webby
W_B - 15 Jun 2005 16:02 GMT
>> I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
>> sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Thanks
>SP

Have a patient who uses a CPAP and an NTI works just fine for him.
--

W_B
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The Webby - 15 Jun 2005 16:26 GMT
> >> I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
> >> sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

Here is a link to what the general public can easily read concerning
SP's question:

http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/sleepdeprivation/a/oraldevices.htm

It's easy to see why there is question.

Webby
The Webby - 15 Jun 2005 16:31 GMT
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<nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-852A49.08263115062005@news-rdr-03.socal.
rr.com>,

> > >> I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
> > >> sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
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>
> Webby

Oops.  I meant to include this link as well:

http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_dental_devices_used_treat_slee
p_apnea_000065_9.htm

TW
StovePipe - 18 Jun 2005 18:31 GMT
> >> I have cross-posted a few articles today into the groups
> >> sci.med.dentistry and alt.support.jaw-disorders because it is my opinion
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Have a patient who uses a CPAP and an NTI works just fine for him.
> --

That's where I'm headed.  <WOOSH, woosh.... Dearth Vader>
SP
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