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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / June 2005Need for Deep Cleaning Teeth
My dentist has advised that I have a deep cleaning of my teeth. I would like to try supplements and a regular cleaning to see if my gums will respond. The considerations are money, pain and fear of the proceedure. The dentist is saying that regularing cleaning will do no good and may cause an abscess which would lead to losing a tooth. I would like some feedback as this doesn't make any sense. The dentist is willing to wait 5 months until I have some dental insurance. There are things you can try. I was in a similar situation. At age 33 had surgery done, not to mention 2 root planing and scaling procedures in the last 3 years with no improvement. Upon deeper investigation I was led to believe that amalgam fillings (if any) are one of the chief causes of periodontal disease. Unaware of that my dentist went so far as to question if genes had something to do with my intractable periodontal disease (and ever bleeding gums). You'd be surprised how many dentists have no idea about research outside their narrow realm of specialization. Hydrofloss made a huge difference for me though. Bought it 3 days ago for $77 from Dental Depot. I don't know if the claims about magnetization and reverse polarity are true but definitely the improvement is remarkable and when I try to floss with a regular thread afterwards no particles (smelly or not) come out (also gone is the smell and taste of putrefying gum which was all too familiar previously). I am not affiliated with the company that manufactures that product, however, I daresay that hydrofloss or similar irrigators are substantially more effective than thread flossing & brushing. The funny thing is when I asked my dentist about gum irrigators again he had no opinion (weaseled out with "works for some, doesn't for others"). I agree the hydrofloss with Oxyfresh rinse and the use of Xylitol gum have improved my overall oral health. All were bought At http;//www.dentaldepot.com Would that be some spam? >I agree the hydrofloss with Oxyfresh rinse and the use of Xylitol gum > have improved my overall oral health. All were bought At > http;//www.dentaldepot.com > Would that be some spam? > > >I agree the hydrofloss with Oxyfresh rinse and the use of Xylitol gum > > have improved my overall oral health. All were bought At > > http;//www.dentaldepot.com You have to admit: they're getting more slick in their presentations. But they're still slime. SP  SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Could be. If *it* shows up again reports will be filed. >Would that be some spam? > >>I agree the hydrofloss with Oxyfresh rinse and the use of Xylitol gum >> have improved my overall oral health. All were bought At >> http;//www.dentaldepot.com -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Could be. If *it* shows up again reports will be filed. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> have improved my overall oral health. All were bought At >>> http;//www.dentaldepot.com The guy is too dull to realize his email address and the advertised web-page are the same. Who ever said Spammers could think? .. Stephen Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >The guy is too dull to realize his email address and the advertised >web-page are the same. Who ever said Spammers could think? >.. >Stephen >Troy, Michigan, USA Reports are pending until tomorrow. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >The funny thing is when I asked my dentist about gum irrigators again >he had no opinion (weaseled out with "works for some, doesn't for >others"). Since when is telling the truth 'weaseling out' ? Like all things, "works for some, doesn't for others", an axiom of truth. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I have a dental savings plan that saves us money at the dentist and it costs very little. It's not insurance, but it does save money. Are you waiting for insurance through your job? This is something you can get now and see if it saves you, like it does our family. I can give you the website if you're interested. posted at www.healthcareforums.org >I have a dental savings plan that saves us money at the dentist and it >costs very little. It's not insurance, but it does save money. Are you >waiting for insurance through your job? This is something you can get >now and see if it saves you, like it does our family. I can give you >the website if you're interested. >posted at www.healthcareforums.org SPAM for a lousy scam .. Stephen Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >I have a dental savings plan that saves If you have to sell it with spam, I don't want it. Spammers are nothing more than virtual cockroaches that infest and soil the Internet for all of us. In addition, ask any of the dentists here about the scam known as "dental savings plans". Vaughn (did you notice that this particular spammer has munged his addy with "no-spam" to stop the spam-bots?) Who? dentalbroker@comcast.net ? SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | >I have a dental savings plan that saves | [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | (did you notice that this particular spammer has munged his addy | with "no-spam" to stop the spam-bots?) > Who? > dentalbroker@comcast.net Yes, I mean dentalbroker@comcast.net How silly of me to have left that part out before. Vaughn ITYM abuse@comcast.net >Who? >dentalbroker@comcast.net ? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >| (did you notice that this particular spammer has munged his addy >| with "no-spam" to stop the spam-bots?) -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Path: news.easynews.com!en206!core-easynews!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-12!sn-xit-08!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail >From: dentalbroker@comcast-dot-net.no-spam.invalid (wahm) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >I have a dental... ...spam >plan Reported to: abuse@supernews.com abuse@comcast.net Say goodbye to your supernews account. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I saw that one. I could have modded it before it was sent here. I will try to be more careful in the future. I saw one person was upset with an abusive poster in the thread "I'm leaving here too". Well, over on my board, you (we) can have the ability to moderate all the posts, and delete the crap. You can take a look here: http://www.healthcareforums.org/viewforum.php?f=9 You do have to register (which also prevents spammers to some degree), and then you can post and it interfaces with this newsgroup. posted at www.healthcareforums.org I just wish to apologize to everyone here for any upset caused. I was just trying to help someone save money because I do, but I certainly never thought it would be considered spam. I do not in any way wish to be associated with being a spammer so this will be my last post here. posted at www.healthcareforums.org >I just wish to apologize to everyone here for any upset caused. I was >just trying to help someone save money because I do, but I certainly >never thought it would be considered spam. I do not in any way wish >to be associated with being a spammer so this will be my last post >here. >posted at www.healthcareforums.org Goodbye, and you are still pushing spam .. Stephen Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >Goodbye, and you are still pushing spam And HOW did I miss a 'spammer'??? (Never trust someone w/a nick of wahm!!!) Yea, you guys seem quick to judge. It's probably because you assumed this person was just posting messages on a bunch of boards to spam. I don't think this was the case here, and he indicated this to me directly. I hope you might consider an apology. P.S. - I'm considering a health plan too. How would you feel if I posted the plan here in hopes of getting feedback? posted at www.healthcareforums.org >Yea, you guys seem quick to judge. It's probably because you assumed >this person was just posting messages on a bunch of boards to spam. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >posted the plan here in hopes of getting feedback? >posted at www.healthcareforums.org Why do you support a lousy spammer? .. Stephen Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >>Yea, you guys seem quick to judge. It's probably because you assumed >>this person was just posting messages on a bunch of boards to spam. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my > handwriting. I have not seen a website or named plan on the SMD side yet. This sounds like a consumer that doesn't know what they have gotten into yet. carabelli >>>Yea, you guys seem quick to judge. It's probably because you assumed >>>this person was just posting messages on a bunch of boards to spam. I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >carabelli Did you notice the guy's email address? .. Stephen Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. "Dr. Steve" <drsteve@no-spam.com> wrote ................... > Did you notice the guy's email address? > .. > Stephen > Troy, Michigan, USA I suppose since I survived last Friday, I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. Surely, that will dissipate by 9 on Monday. Dan <VGB> >My dentist has advised that I have a deep cleaning of my teeth. Very likely periodontal disease. > I >would like to try supplements and a regular cleaning to see if my gums >will respond. Don't waste your time, this will not work. >The considerations are money, pain and fear of the >proceedure. The dentist is saying that regularing cleaning will do no >good and may cause an abscess which would lead to losing a tooth. I >would like some feedback as this doesn't make any sense. >The dentist >is willing to wait 5 months until I have some dental insurance. Not bad, but this will be a pre-existing condition and may not be covered. When in doubt, get a second opinion. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I am reminded of a 43 year-old patient who had no previous history of heart problems, no high cholestoral, no high blood pressure; and yet very infected gums and bone loss. I strongly urged him to see a doctor and tell the MD that he had severe gum disease (he came as a new patient and I was leary of working on him until he got checked.). His doctor said he needed a 5 way bipass and was amazed he had come in, he told my patient that in his condition he would have woken up one day and never seen lunch. During my career I have gently guided many patients to MD's when I noticed the condition of their mouth. Diabetes, heart problems, and GERD are some of the conditions I have referred to MD's. I did not tell the patient (except for the diabetic, because they had taken a "finger stick test" that was negative and I suggested he ask for an endocrinologist) what I suspected they had, and they were all very thankful to have their conditions taken care of before reaching a point where medicine could no longer help. The diabetic was only 30 years old and they had misdiagnosed him for 1 year. He was so diabetic the new doctor put him straight on insulin; no diet or pills would work anymore. The drug resistant staph bacteria can only live in 4 areas: perio pockets, the inner lining of the heart (endocarditis) and abscesses. It is a part of the normal flora of the human mouth. Regular cleanings are for people without gum disease, they are called Prophylaxis cleanings, a preventative. Having gum or bone disease and treating with cleanings is like putting a band-aid on something that needs stitches. It does not work in the long run. Lynn Scarengos, RDH, Lifetime Member of the United Who's Who Executives >>My dentist has advised that I have a deep cleaning of my teeth. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com |
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