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David - 10 Jun 2005 07:31 GMT One of my least pleasant experiences with a dentist was when I was sitting in the chair listening to the dentist tell his assistant about his trip to Hawaii, while he was doing a procedure to relieve the pain in my mouth from the last procedure that caused a pressure buildup. I was on one of those helath plans, and he refused to use novacain because he said he was already at a loss due to a second visit.
I actually got up out of the chair, took off the robe, and walked to the dentist across the street and handed him my American Express card.
I'd be interested to know about your worst experience with a dentist, or a patient for that matter. posted at www.healthcareforums.org
TB - 10 Jun 2005 16:15 GMT My worst experience was when I agreed to stay late for a patient who was in pain...he showed up 45 minutes after he said he would and told me the tooth had been hurting for a week. He was late because he had gotten home late from a party. It made me glad I killed two extra hours of my Saturday to wait around and handle his "emergency"...oh...did you mean my worst experience as a patient??...nevermind.
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Fawks - 11 Jun 2005 04:40 GMT One of my 'most memorable' experiences happened this year. A fellow came in and the first remark was that he wanted his teeth extracted and a full set of dentures. The guy was in his mid forties and had a lot of calculus, minor bone loss, gingivitis, and one 'bad' tooth that should probably be extracted. Nothing else that was not easily treatable.
He was insistant that he should have extractions and dentures. I tried to assure him that I did not want to argue or cause trouble, but that his teeth were not ready to throw away. He would actually save a lot of money (as well as still being able to eat).
The conversation deteriorated and I was basically a son-of-a-bitch for wasting his time since I wouldn't obey his wishes.
That may not be the worst, but it's the freshest on my mind.
Fawks
Mike D. - 11 Jun 2005 13:16 GMT You shouldda told the guy flat out that you aren't a butcher and you don't extract good teeth. Seems simple to me, but I ain't a dentist. Mike.
> One of my 'most memorable' experiences happened this year. A fellow > came in and the first remark was that he wanted his teeth extracted [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Fawks Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 03:44 GMT That would be the quickest out available. I usually try to make some type of actual communication with these people just in case they are 'reachable'.
Most of the time I can find some middle ground and avoid full mouth extractions. If I dismissed every one of them with that type of ultimatum, I would simply pass them off to someone who would do their bidding.
JME, Fawks
carabelli - 13 Jun 2005 03:47 GMT > That would be the quickest out available. I usually try to make some > type of actual communication with these people just in case they are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > JME, > Fawks This would be in reference to what post, I don't know.
Dan
Steven Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 14:41 GMT Google does some weird things from the home computer. The reply did not come up right after the correct post and no quoted material shows up either.
Mike commented after my post early in this thread that I should just have told the guy giving me grief about not extracting his teeth, that I am not a butcher and that I do not extract good teeth.
Fawks
I went to Orsheln's and got my father's day present early. I couldn't talk myself into one of those upright 'bullets', so I got a Pitmaster Deluxe. It seems pretty easy to regulate (when it isn't raining). I thawed out a little pork roast and sat it in the smoker for a 'few' hours. It went well with creamed peas & new potatoes and fresh cherry pie.
>>That would be the quickest out available. I usually try to make some >>type of actual communication with these people just in case they are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dan W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:01 GMT >You shouldda told the guy flat out that you aren't a butcher and you don't >extract good teeth. Seems simple to me, but I ain't a dentist. Mike. A practitioner needs more tact than that. --
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 16:51 GMT The ones I get like that are told that ext/F are not in their best interest. Also that they may find someone to do that treatment but it's not me.
This type of patient will never be satisfied no matter what you do. You are better off punting.
>One of my 'most memorable' experiences happened this year. A fellow >came in and the first remark was that he wanted his teeth extracted [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Fawks --
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Steven Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 19:18 GMT Believe me, this was definitely punted. I run into this a few times a year. I'd guess about half of the time the patients will decide on a better treatment plan. The other half leave to find another dentist.
This guy just had the best teeth of any that has come in with such a request. There was no way anyone could see a reason to extract these teeth. I was taken off guard by his absolute determination to get what he wanted and actual anger that I would not accomodate him. (I did not start the conversation with, "You're an idiot if you want to remove those teeth" though I may have ended it that way <G>)
Fawks
> The ones I get like that are told that ext/F are not in their best interest. > Also that they may find someone to do that treatment but it's not me. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com David - 10 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT I guess normally (not on Saturday) it is not a big deal if a patient is late, but in this case missing 2 hours on Saturday was your WORST experience? Surely, you have had worse than this, eh? posted at www.healthcareforums.org
StovePipe - 12 Jun 2005 14:50 GMT > I guess normally (not on Saturday) it is not a big deal if a patient > is late, but in this case missing 2 hours on Saturday was your WORST > experience? Surely, you have had worse than this, eh? > posted at www.healthcareforums.org What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door?
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Edgar A Pearlstein - 12 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a hygienist. I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was awful. But I bore it.
Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2005 20:11 GMT > My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a > hygienist. I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was > awful. But I bore it. Your moustache look likt this guy's?
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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 03:15 GMT Now, that is a mustache to be proud of.
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Edgar A Pearlstein wrote:
> My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a > hygienist. I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was > awful. But I bore it. Your moustache look likt this guy's?
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Steven Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 14:24 GMT It could be worse. When I was a freshman in dental school, my parter (Mary Jo) caught my moustache in the polishing cup! It yanked out enough hair to make it look like a brush and my lip started bleeding.
Once we got over the initial shock (and pain) it was hilarious.
Fawks
> My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a > hygienist. I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was > awful. But I bore it. Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 03:07 GMT Did you request a novocaine shot up your nose?
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My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a hygienist. I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was awful. But I bore it.
leaderdmd@juno.com - 11 Jun 2005 03:56 GMT David,
We all have bad days as patients and as people who treat patients. I try to live my life seeing things from the other side.
That said, I have been forced to report a couple of parents for neglect due to their failure to be able to care for their children's dental needs. Being confronted with child neglect and having to report it is very stressful to me. I loose sleep. I worry about how the family's interaction with the deparment of social services will effect the child. Some dentists have been threatened for reporting abuse and neglect.
As a patient, I had to wait over an hour to see an ENT specialist. He and his staff thought that it was just dandy that their patients had to wait so long. They see waiting patients as a sign of how terrific the doctor is. When I finally got in to see him, he was friendly enough, and seemed to know his profession, but I did not think that the sterility of his instruments was assured. I am not squemish or I would have walked out. I would never refer one of my patients to him.
One more thing, in this country about 50% of conjunctivitis is caused by unclean opthalmic equipment. That is all I will say on that experience.
Dave Leader, DMD
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 11 Jun 2005 15:01 GMT > David, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Dave Leader, DMD That last figure is shocking to me. Considering that conjunctivitis is not a reportable disease, I wonder how that figure was obtained--do you know? I think about things like instrument sterility and relative standards of care. I remember the hysteria surrounding the Acer/Bergalis case in Florida, and how I thought dentists were (unfairly) singled out. I thought about it again when I had a colonoscopy this week.
Steve
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 16:57 GMT > I >thought about it again when I had a colonoscopy this week. > >Steve Don't tell Stormin' Moron, he will get wood. --
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Stormin Mormon - 12 Jun 2005 14:46 GMT Reminds me of the two times I waited an hour in a reception room. One at a dentist, and one at a physician.
After the usual 15 minutes late, and then a half hour of more wait, I went back to the window to inquire.
The DDS secretary said they had an emergency patient come in. My reaction is "well, you knew ahead of time, you have my home phone on my chart, and you didn't call me? You knew this the moment I walked in, and you didn't tell me to my face? How totally inconsiderate of you. I could have been shopping, eating, sleeping, or some other use of time."
At the physician, much the same.
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David,
We all have bad days as patients and as people who treat patients. I try to live my life seeing things from the other side.
That said, I have been forced to report a couple of parents for neglect due to their failure to be able to care for their children's dental needs. Being confronted with child neglect and having to report it is very stressful to me. I loose sleep. I worry about how the family's interaction with the deparment of social services will effect the child. Some dentists have been threatened for reporting abuse and neglect.
As a patient, I had to wait over an hour to see an ENT specialist. He and his staff thought that it was just dandy that their patients had to wait so long. They see waiting patients as a sign of how terrific the doctor is. When I finally got in to see him, he was friendly enough, and seemed to know his profession, but I did not think that the sterility of his instruments was assured. I am not squemish or I would have walked out. I would never refer one of my patients to him.
One more thing, in this country about 50% of conjunctivitis is caused by unclean opthalmic equipment. That is all I will say on that experience.
Dave Leader, DMD
Mike D. - 11 Jun 2005 13:39 GMT I once had a bad abscessed tooth. I was neglectful and it got infected and finally blew up my face like a balloon. It was actually shocking to look at my face, due to the swelling. Anyway, needless to say, I was in agony(all this while being fortunate enough to have full dental benefits from my job), and I ended up in the ER. I hadda wait two hours for them to bring in a dental intern. He said he would give me a long lasting injection that would hold the pain for about 8 hours. I went home and went to sleep, being in a state of sleep deprivation from this toothache. So help me, exactly eight hours after the injection I woke up in pain and looked at the clock and marveled at the precision of the doctor's prediction. I went to my dentist, and I had to wait until eleven a m for a dentist to show upand open the office. It was about 0730 hours, and I was in agony again. I was debating on paying cash for any dentist, and I actually made an appointment and went in, an the doctor told me it would be $180 for him to open up the filling and relieve the pressure. I figured I would tough it out for another ninety minutes and save $180. I still had to pay him about $30. I went to the dentists office at 1045 and I found out I misunderstood them, they don;'t open the office until one in the afternoon. The entire hallway of the office building was empty, and I was so upset I was kicking the wall and furniture. I waited the two more hours, and limped and whimpered into the office. The dentist was this Greek guy who looked like he was either drinking very red grape juice or wearing lipstick. He started giving me guff about not getting to a dentist sooner, and he popped the filling off the tooth without any anesthetic. It didn't hurt either, just popped off like a beer cap. Anyway, I was still in agony,and I remember thinking it must be one hellacious toothache that doesn't even retreat in the face of the dentist chair. Usually the pain slinks off into a corner until you are alone again. Anyway, I asked the dentist to give me something to numb the tooth, because it hurt. He refused. He said, if I remember correctly, that it wouldn't help, or it wasn't a good idea, or something. I started to acquiesce, and then I just remembered how much I was hurting, and I sat back and just literally refused to vacate the chair until he numbed the tooth. He said something like "oh allright!" like a sissy or something, and gave me the injection, which deadened the pain. I was now slightly angry with the dentists, and said,"what was the problem with that? You think I'm abusing the Novocain or something? Do you think I am lying about the pain? For God's sake" and he , well I don't remember what he said, I just left. They later fixed the tooth up and it recovered from the abscess. I mean, really, what is the problem with numbing a patient who is in obvious pain? I think he just didn't want to change his decision once he said I don't need Novocain. I remember thinking as I exited, 'what a dick'. He probably said the same thing about me to his nurse. I wonder who she thought was right.Mike.
> One of my least pleasant experiences with a dentist was when I was > sitting in the chair listening to the dentist tell his assistant [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or a patient for that matter. > posted at www.healthcareforums.org Dr. Steve - 12 Jun 2005 03:16 GMT HMO right ?
>I once had a bad abscessed tooth. I was neglectful and it got infected and >finally blew up my face like a balloon. It was actually shocking to look at [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> or a patient for that matter. >> posted at www.healthcareforums.org .. Stephen Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Stormin Mormon - 12 Jun 2005 14:54 GMT It's my understanding that "abscess" and "infected" are the same term. I wonder that none of these doctors put you on antibiotics.
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I once had a bad abscessed tooth. I was neglectful and it got infected and finally blew up my face like a balloon. It was actually shocking to look at my face, due to the swelling. Anyway, needless to say, I was in agony(all this while being fortunate enough to have full dental benefits from my job), and I ended up in the ER. I hadda wait two hours for them to bring in a dental intern. He said he would give me a long lasting injection that would hold the pain for about 8 hours. I went home and went to sleep, being in a state of sleep deprivation from this toothache. So help me, exactly eight hours after the injection I woke up in pain and looked at the clock and marveled at the precision of the doctor's prediction. I went to my dentist, and I had to wait until eleven a m for a dentist to show upand open the office. It was about 0730 hours, and I was in agony again. I was debating on paying cash for any dentist, and I actually made an appointment and went in, an the doctor told me it would be $180 for him to open up the filling and relieve the pressure. I figured I would tough it out for another ninety minutes and save $180. I still had to pay him about $30. I went to the dentists office at 1045 and I found out I misunderstood them, they don;'t open the office until one in the afternoon. The entire hallway of the office building was empty, and I was so upset I was kicking the wall and furniture. I waited the two more hours, and limped and whimpered into the office. The dentist was this Greek guy who looked like he was either drinking very red grape juice or wearing lipstick. He started giving me guff about not getting to a dentist sooner, and he popped the filling off the tooth without any anesthetic. It didn't hurt either, just popped off like a beer cap. Anyway, I was still in agony,and I remember thinking it must be one hellacious toothache that doesn't even retreat in the face of the dentist chair. Usually the pain slinks off into a corner until you are alone again. Anyway, I asked the dentist to give me something to numb the tooth, because it hurt. He refused. He said, if I remember correctly, that it wouldn't help, or it wasn't a good idea, or something. I started to acquiesce, and then I just remembered how much I was hurting, and I sat back and just literally refused to vacate the chair until he numbed the tooth. He said something like "oh allright!" like a sissy or something, and gave me the injection, which deadened the pain. I was now slightly angry with the dentists, and said,"what was the problem with that? You think I'm abusing the Novocain or something? Do you think I am lying about the pain? For God's sake" and he , well I don't remember what he said, I just left. They later fixed the tooth up and it recovered from the abscess. I mean, really, what is the problem with numbing a patient who is in obvious pain? I think he just didn't want to change his decision once he said I don't need Novocain. I remember thinking as I exited, 'what a dick'. He probably said the same thing about me to his nurse. I wonder who she thought was right.Mike.
StovePipe - 13 Jun 2005 04:08 GMT > It's my understanding that "abscess" and "infected" are the same term. I > wonder that none of these doctors put you on antibiotics. This is not correct. An abscess is not necessarily infected. Moreover, the best treatment is to drain the ascess and to remove its cause: either clean the tooth or remove it. SP
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Stormin Mormon - 13 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess?
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Stormin Mormon <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's my understanding that "abscess" and "infected" are the same term. I > wonder that none of these doctors put you on antibiotics. This is not correct. An abscess is not necessarily infected. Moreover, the best treatment is to drain the ascess and to remove its cause: either clean the tooth or remove it. SP
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carabelli - 13 Jun 2005 04:56 GMT Worst experience? I was younger and when the appointment was over they wanted me to pay for it. What the hell is the deal with that? Really, it was like I was buying groceries or something. The nerve.
carabell
W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:53 GMT >Worst experience? I was younger and when the appointment was over they >wanted me to pay for it. What the hell is the deal with that? Really, it >was like I was buying groceries or something. The nerve. > > carabell Excellent !
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StovePipe - 13 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT > Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess? A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste products. SP
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 21:00 GMT >> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess? > >A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste >products. >SP An apt description of feces. Much like ja|\|dre\/\/'s posts. --
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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 03:15 GMT A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall?
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Stormin Mormon <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess? A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste products. SP
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W_B - 14 Jun 2005 03:58 GMT Personal experience, again ?
>A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall?
>Christopher A. Young
>"StovePipe" <stove99pipe> wrote in message .
>> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess? > >A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste >products. >SP -- W_B
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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 14:10 GMT Was that you, I met? How the heck are yah?
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Personal experience, again ?
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:15:46 GMT, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
>A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall? W_B - 14 Jun 2005 16:09 GMT Nope wasn't me, musta been ja|\|dre\/\/
>Was that you, I met? How the heck are yah? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >>A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall? --
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:04 GMT > I remember >thinking as I exited, 'what a dick'. He probably said the same thing about >me to his nurse. I wonder who she thought was right.Mike. Probably both. --
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David - 12 Jun 2005 15:32 GMT > StovePipewrote: > > I guess normally (not on Saturday) it is not a big deal if a patient
> is late, but in this case missing 2 hours on Saturday was your WORST
> experience? Surely, you have had worse than this, eh? > posted at www.healthcareforums.org What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door?
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Peace be with you, friend. :) I truly believed that this dentist surely had a worse experience than a 2 hour wait on a Saturday, or maybe it was truly worse than described, and that more detail was needed. posted at www.healthcareforums.org
StovePipe - 13 Jun 2005 04:08 GMT > What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some > dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door? > > SP > -- Finally: take out the TRASHH[/quote:0ae601cdc2] Peace be with you, friend. :) I truly believed that this dentist surely had a worse experience than a 2 hour wait on a Saturday, or maybe it was truly worse than described, and that more detail was needed. posted at www.healthcareforums.org
And I reply: bullshit. SP
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Tony Bad - 13 Jun 2005 17:51 GMT > > What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some > > dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > And I reply: bullshit. > SP My answer was meant to be a bit sarcastic...because, as others seemed to have discovered, this guys human interest story request seemed to aimed at something other than polite discussion. I am such a cynic.
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:40 GMT >Peace be with you, friend. :) >I truly believed that this dentist surely had a worse experience than >a 2 hour wait on a Saturday, or maybe it was truly worse than >described, and that more detail was needed. Had a guy invite me outside this year.
Told him that I didn't have time to go outside and fight with him.
He was in his 60's and I didn't feel like going to jail for assault. Sure wanted to kick his a.s though, luckily had good appreciative patients waiting for treatment.
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