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David - 10 Jun 2005 07:31 GMT
One of my least pleasant experiences with a dentist was when I was
sitting in the chair listening to the dentist tell his assistant
about his trip to Hawaii, while he was doing a procedure to relieve
the pain in my mouth from the last procedure that caused a pressure
buildup. I was on one of those helath plans, and he refused to use
novacain because he said he was already at a loss due to a second
visit.

I actually got up out of the chair, took off the robe, and walked to
the dentist across the street and handed him my American Express
card.

I'd be interested to know about your worst experience with a dentist,
or a patient for that matter.
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TB - 10 Jun 2005 16:15 GMT
My worst experience was when I agreed to stay late for a patient who was in
pain...he showed up 45 minutes after he said he would and told me the tooth
had been hurting for a week. He was late because he had gotten home late
from a party. It made me glad I killed two extra hours of my Saturday to
wait around and handle his "emergency"...oh...did you mean my worst
experience as a patient??...nevermind.

T
Fawks - 11 Jun 2005 04:40 GMT
One of my 'most memorable' experiences happened this year.  A fellow
came in and the first remark was that he wanted his teeth extracted
and a full set of dentures.  The guy was in his mid forties and had a
lot of calculus, minor bone loss, gingivitis, and one 'bad' tooth that
should probably be extracted.  Nothing else that was not easily
treatable.

He was insistant that he should have extractions and dentures.  I tried
to assure him that I did not want to argue or cause trouble, but that
his
teeth were not ready to throw away.  He would actually save a lot of
money
(as well as still being able to eat).

The conversation deteriorated and I was basically a son-of-a-bitch for
wasting his time since I wouldn't obey his wishes.

That may not be the worst, but it's the freshest on my mind.

Fawks
Mike D. - 11 Jun 2005 13:16 GMT
You shouldda told the guy flat out that you aren't a butcher and you don't
extract good teeth. Seems simple to me, but I ain't a dentist. Mike.

> One of my 'most memorable' experiences happened this year.  A fellow
> came in and the first remark was that he wanted his teeth extracted
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>
> Fawks
Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 03:44 GMT
That would be the quickest out available.  I usually try to make some
type of actual communication with these people just in case they are
'reachable'.

Most of the time I can find some middle ground and avoid full mouth
extractions.  If I dismissed every one of them with that type of
ultimatum, I would simply pass them off to someone who would do
their bidding.

JME,
Fawks
carabelli - 13 Jun 2005 03:47 GMT
> That would be the quickest out available.  I usually try to make some
> type of actual communication with these people just in case they are
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> JME,
> Fawks

This would be in reference to what post,  I don't know.

Dan
Steven Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 14:41 GMT
Google does some weird things from the home computer.  The reply did
not come up right after the correct post and no quoted material shows
up either.

Mike commented after my post early in this thread that I should just
have told the guy giving me grief about not extracting his teeth, that
I am not a butcher and that I do not extract good teeth.

Fawks

I went to Orsheln's and got my father's day present early.  I couldn't
talk myself into one of those upright 'bullets', so I got a Pitmaster
Deluxe.  It seems pretty easy to regulate (when it isn't raining).  I
thawed out a little pork roast and sat it in the smoker for a 'few'
hours.  It went well with creamed peas & new potatoes and fresh cherry
pie.

>>That would be the quickest out available.  I usually try to make some
>>type of actual communication with these people just in case they are
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Dan
W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:01 GMT
>You shouldda told the guy flat out that you aren't a butcher and you don't
>extract good teeth. Seems simple to me, but I ain't a dentist. Mike.

A practitioner needs more tact than that.
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 16:51 GMT
The ones I get like that are told that ext/F are not in their best interest.
Also that they may find someone to do that treatment but it's not me.

This type of patient will never be satisfied no matter what you do.
You are better off punting.

>One of my 'most memorable' experiences happened this year.  A fellow
>came in and the first remark was that he wanted his teeth extracted
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Fawks

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Steven Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 19:18 GMT
Believe me, this was definitely punted.  I run into this a few times
a year.  I'd guess about half of the time the patients will decide on
a better treatment plan.  The other half leave to find another dentist.

This guy just had the best teeth of any that has come in with such a
request.  There was no way anyone could see a reason to extract these
teeth.  I was taken off guard by his absolute determination to get what
he wanted and actual anger that I would not accomodate him.  (I did not
start the conversation with, "You're an idiot if you want to remove
those teeth" though I may have ended it that way <G>)

Fawks

> The ones I get like that are told that ext/F are not in their best interest.
> Also that they may find someone to do that treatment but it's not me.
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David - 10 Jun 2005 18:52 GMT
I guess normally (not on Saturday) it is not a big deal if a patient
is late, but in this case missing 2 hours on Saturday was your WORST
experience? Surely, you have had worse than this, eh?
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StovePipe - 12 Jun 2005 14:50 GMT
> I guess normally (not on Saturday) it is not a big deal if a patient
> is late, but in this case missing 2 hours on Saturday was your WORST
> experience? Surely, you have had worse than this, eh?
> posted at www.healthcareforums.org

What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some
dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door?

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Edgar A Pearlstein - 12 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT
  My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a
hygienist.  I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was
awful.  But I bore it.
Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jun 2005 20:11 GMT
>    My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a
> hygienist.  I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was
> awful.  But I bore it.

    Your moustache look likt this guy's?

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Steve

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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 03:15 GMT
Now, that is a mustache to be proud of.

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Edgar A Pearlstein wrote:
>    My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a
> hygienist.  I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was
> awful.  But I bore it.

Your moustache look likt this guy's?

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Steven Fawks - 13 Jun 2005 14:24 GMT
It could be worse.  When I was a freshman in dental school, my parter
(Mary Jo) caught my moustache in the polishing cup!  It yanked out
enough hair to make it look like a brush and my lip started bleeding.

Once we got over the initial shock (and pain) it was hilarious.

Fawks

>    My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a
> hygienist.  I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was
> awful.  But I bore it.
Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 03:07 GMT
Did you request a novocaine shot up your nose?

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  My worst experience happened when I was getting my teeth cleaned by a
hygienist.  I had neglected to trim my moustache, and the tickling was
awful.  But I bore it.
leaderdmd@juno.com - 11 Jun 2005 03:56 GMT
David,

We all have bad days as patients and as people who treat patients.  I
try to live my life seeing things from the other side.

That said, I have been forced to report a couple of parents for neglect
due to their failure to be able to care for their children's dental
needs.  Being confronted with child neglect and having to report it is
very stressful to me.  I loose sleep.  I worry about how the family's
interaction with the deparment of social services will effect the
child.  Some dentists have been threatened for reporting abuse and
neglect.

As a patient, I had to wait over an hour to see an ENT specialist.  He
and his staff thought that it was just dandy that their patients had to
wait so long. They see waiting patients as a sign of how terrific the
doctor is.  When I finally got in to see him, he was friendly enough,
and seemed to know his profession, but I did not think that the
sterility of his instruments was assured.  I am not squemish or I would
have walked out.  I would never refer one of my patients to him.

One more thing, in this country about 50% of conjunctivitis is caused
by unclean opthalmic equipment.  That is all I will say on that
experience.

Dave Leader, DMD
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 11 Jun 2005 15:01 GMT
> David,
>
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>
> Dave Leader, DMD

    That last figure is shocking to me.  Considering that conjunctivitis is
not a reportable disease, I wonder how that figure was obtained--do you
know?
    I think about things like instrument sterility and relative standards
of care.  I remember the hysteria surrounding the Acer/Bergalis case in
Florida, and how I thought dentists were (unfairly) singled out.  I
thought about it again when I had a colonoscopy this week.

Steve

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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 16:57 GMT
> I
>thought about it again when I had a colonoscopy this week.
>
>Steve

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Stormin Mormon - 12 Jun 2005 14:46 GMT
Reminds me of the two times I waited an hour in a reception room. One at a
dentist, and one at a physician.

After the usual 15 minutes late, and then a half hour of more wait, I went
back to the window to inquire.

The DDS secretary said they had an emergency patient come in. My reaction is
"well, you knew ahead of time, you have my home phone on my chart, and you
didn't call me? You knew this the moment I walked in, and you didn't tell me
to my face? How totally inconsiderate of you. I could have been shopping,
eating, sleeping, or some other use of time."

At the physician, much the same.

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David,

We all have bad days as patients and as people who treat patients.  I
try to live my life seeing things from the other side.

That said, I have been forced to report a couple of parents for neglect
due to their failure to be able to care for their children's dental
needs.  Being confronted with child neglect and having to report it is
very stressful to me.  I loose sleep.  I worry about how the family's
interaction with the deparment of social services will effect the
child.  Some dentists have been threatened for reporting abuse and
neglect.

As a patient, I had to wait over an hour to see an ENT specialist.  He
and his staff thought that it was just dandy that their patients had to
wait so long. They see waiting patients as a sign of how terrific the
doctor is.  When I finally got in to see him, he was friendly enough,
and seemed to know his profession, but I did not think that the
sterility of his instruments was assured.  I am not squemish or I would
have walked out.  I would never refer one of my patients to him.

One more thing, in this country about 50% of conjunctivitis is caused
by unclean opthalmic equipment.  That is all I will say on that
experience.

Dave Leader, DMD
Mike D. - 11 Jun 2005 13:39 GMT
I once had a bad abscessed tooth.  I was neglectful and  it got infected and
finally blew up my face like a balloon. It was actually shocking to look at
my face, due to the swelling. Anyway, needless to say, I was in agony(all
this while being fortunate enough to have full dental benefits from my job),
and I ended up in the ER. I hadda wait two hours for them to bring in a
dental intern. He said he would give me a long lasting injection that would
hold the pain for about 8 hours. I went home and went to sleep, being in a
state of sleep deprivation from this toothache. So help me, exactly eight
hours after the injection I woke up in pain and looked at the clock and
marveled at the precision of the doctor's prediction. I went to my dentist,
and I had to wait until eleven a m for a dentist to show upand open the
office. It was about 0730 hours, and I was in agony again. I was debating on
paying cash for any dentist, and I actually made an appointment and went in,
an the doctor told me it would be $180 for him to open up the filling and
relieve the pressure. I figured I would tough it out for another ninety
minutes and save $180. I still had to pay him about $30. I went to the
dentists office at 1045 and I found out I misunderstood them, they don;'t
open the office until one in the afternoon. The entire hallway of the office
building was empty, and I was so upset I was kicking the wall and furniture.
I waited the two more hours, and limped and whimpered into the office. The
dentist was this Greek guy who looked like he was either drinking very red
grape juice or wearing lipstick. He started giving me guff about not getting
to a dentist sooner, and he popped the filling off the tooth without any
anesthetic. It didn't hurt either, just popped off like a beer cap. Anyway,
I was still in agony,and I remember thinking it must be one hellacious
toothache that doesn't even retreat in the face of the dentist chair.
Usually the pain slinks off into a corner until you are alone again. Anyway,
I asked the dentist to give me something to numb the tooth, because it hurt.
He refused. He said, if I remember correctly, that it wouldn't help, or it
wasn't a good idea, or something. I started to acquiesce, and then I just
remembered how much I was hurting, and I sat back and just literally refused
to vacate the chair until he numbed the tooth. He said something like "oh
allright!" like a sissy or something, and gave me the injection, which
deadened the pain. I was now slightly angry with the dentists, and
said,"what was the problem with that? You think I'm abusing the Novocain or
something? Do you think I am lying about the pain? For God's sake" and he ,
well I don't remember what he said, I just left. They later fixed the tooth
up and it recovered from the abscess. I mean, really, what is the problem
with numbing a patient who is in obvious pain? I think he just didn't want
to change his decision once he said I don't need Novocain. I remember
thinking as I exited, 'what a dick'. He probably said the same thing about
me to his nurse. I wonder who she thought was right.Mike.
> One of my least pleasant experiences with a dentist was when I was
> sitting in the chair listening to the dentist tell his assistant
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> or a patient for that matter.
> posted at www.healthcareforums.org
Dr. Steve - 12 Jun 2005 03:16 GMT
HMO right ?

>I once had a bad abscessed tooth.  I was neglectful and  it got infected and
>finally blew up my face like a balloon. It was actually shocking to look at
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>> or a patient for that matter.
>> posted at www.healthcareforums.org

..
Stephen
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Stormin Mormon - 12 Jun 2005 14:54 GMT
It's my understanding that "abscess" and "infected" are the same term. I
wonder that none of these doctors put you on antibiotics.

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I once had a bad abscessed tooth.  I was neglectful and  it got infected and
finally blew up my face like a balloon. It was actually shocking to look at
my face, due to the swelling. Anyway, needless to say, I was in agony(all
this while being fortunate enough to have full dental benefits from my job),
and I ended up in the ER. I hadda wait two hours for them to bring in a
dental intern. He said he would give me a long lasting injection that would
hold the pain for about 8 hours. I went home and went to sleep, being in a
state of sleep deprivation from this toothache. So help me, exactly eight
hours after the injection I woke up in pain and looked at the clock and
marveled at the precision of the doctor's prediction. I went to my dentist,
and I had to wait until eleven a m for a dentist to show upand open the
office. It was about 0730 hours, and I was in agony again. I was debating on
paying cash for any dentist, and I actually made an appointment and went in,
an the doctor told me it would be $180 for him to open up the filling and
relieve the pressure. I figured I would tough it out for another ninety
minutes and save $180. I still had to pay him about $30. I went to the
dentists office at 1045 and I found out I misunderstood them, they don;'t
open the office until one in the afternoon. The entire hallway of the office
building was empty, and I was so upset I was kicking the wall and furniture.
I waited the two more hours, and limped and whimpered into the office. The
dentist was this Greek guy who looked like he was either drinking very red
grape juice or wearing lipstick. He started giving me guff about not getting
to a dentist sooner, and he popped the filling off the tooth without any
anesthetic. It didn't hurt either, just popped off like a beer cap. Anyway,
I was still in agony,and I remember thinking it must be one hellacious
toothache that doesn't even retreat in the face of the dentist chair.
Usually the pain slinks off into a corner until you are alone again. Anyway,
I asked the dentist to give me something to numb the tooth, because it hurt.
He refused. He said, if I remember correctly, that it wouldn't help, or it
wasn't a good idea, or something. I started to acquiesce, and then I just
remembered how much I was hurting, and I sat back and just literally refused
to vacate the chair until he numbed the tooth. He said something like "oh
allright!" like a sissy or something, and gave me the injection, which
deadened the pain. I was now slightly angry with the dentists, and
said,"what was the problem with that? You think I'm abusing the Novocain or
something? Do you think I am lying about the pain? For God's sake" and he ,
well I don't remember what he said, I just left. They later fixed the tooth
up and it recovered from the abscess. I mean, really, what is the problem
with numbing a patient who is in obvious pain? I think he just didn't want
to change his decision once he said I don't need Novocain. I remember
thinking as I exited, 'what a dick'. He probably said the same thing about
me to his nurse. I wonder who she thought was right.Mike.
StovePipe - 13 Jun 2005 04:08 GMT
> It's my understanding that "abscess" and "infected" are the same term. I
> wonder that none of these doctors put you on antibiotics.

This is not correct. An abscess is not necessarily infected. Moreover,
the best treatment is to drain the ascess and to remove its cause:
either clean the tooth or remove it.
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Stormin Mormon - 13 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT
Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess?

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Stormin Mormon <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's my understanding that "abscess" and "infected" are the same term. I
> wonder that none of these doctors put you on antibiotics.

This is not correct. An abscess is not necessarily infected. Moreover,
the best treatment is to drain the ascess and to remove its cause:
either clean the tooth or remove it.
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carabelli - 13 Jun 2005 04:56 GMT
Worst experience?  I was  younger and when the appointment was over they
wanted me to pay for it.  What the hell is the deal with that?  Really, it
was like I was buying groceries or something.  The nerve.

carabell
W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:53 GMT
>Worst experience?  I was  younger and when the appointment was over they
>wanted me to pay for it.  What the hell is the deal with that?  Really, it
>was like I was buying groceries or something.  The nerve.
>
> carabell

Excellent !

An analogy we frequently use !
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StovePipe - 13 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT
> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess?

A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste
products.
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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 21:00 GMT
>> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess?
>
>A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste
>products.
>SP

An apt description of feces.
Much like ja|\|dre\/\/'s posts.
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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 03:15 GMT
A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall?

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Stormin Mormon <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess?

A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste
products.
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W_B - 14 Jun 2005 03:58 GMT
Personal experience, again ?

>A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall?

>Christopher A. Young

>"StovePipe" <stove99pipe> wrote in message
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>> Thank you for instructing. So, what is an abscess?
>
>A collection of dead host defence cells and solid and liquid waste
>products.
>SP

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Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2005 14:10 GMT
Was that you, I met? How the heck are yah?

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Personal experience, again ?

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:15:46 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

>A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall?
W_B - 14 Jun 2005 16:09 GMT
Nope wasn't me, musta been ja|\|dre\/\/

>Was that you, I met? How the heck are yah?
>
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>
>>A retirement party at the septic pumper's union hall?

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W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:04 GMT
> I remember
>thinking as I exited, 'what a dick'. He probably said the same thing about
>me to his nurse. I wonder who she thought was right.Mike.

Probably both.
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David - 12 Jun 2005 15:32 GMT
> StovePipewrote:
>
> I guess normally (not on Saturday) it is not a big deal if a
patient
> is late, but in this case missing 2 hours on Saturday was your
WORST
> experience? Surely, you have had worse than this, eh?
> posted at www.healthcareforums.org

What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some
dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door?

SP
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Peace be with you, friend. :)
I truly believed that this dentist surely had a worse experience than
a 2 hour wait on a Saturday, or maybe it was truly worse than
described, and that more detail was needed.
posted at www.healthcareforums.org

StovePipe - 13 Jun 2005 04:08 GMT
> What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some
> dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door?
>
> SP
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Peace be with you, friend. :) I truly believed that this dentist surely
had a worse experience than a 2 hour wait on a Saturday, or maybe it was
truly worse than described, and that more detail was needed.
posted at www.healthcareforums.org

And I reply: bullshit.
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Tony Bad - 13 Jun 2005 17:51 GMT
> > What is your game, guy? Why are you doing this? You piss off some
> > dentist so bad he kicked your but halfway out the door?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> And I reply: bullshit.
> SP

My answer was meant to be a bit sarcastic...because, as others seemed to
have discovered, this guys human interest story request seemed to aimed at
something other than polite discussion. I am such a cynic.

T
W_B - 13 Jun 2005 17:40 GMT
>Peace be with you, friend. :)
>I truly believed that this dentist surely had a worse experience than
>a 2 hour wait on a Saturday, or maybe it was truly worse than
>described, and that more detail was needed.

Had a guy invite me outside this year.

Told him that I didn't have time to go outside and fight with him.

He was in his 60's and I didn't feel like going to jail for assault.
Sure wanted to kick his a.s though, luckily had good appreciative
patients waiting for treatment.

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