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Usefulness of Vizilite?

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Doc - 07 Jun 2005 22:01 GMT
As I've pretty much come to expect from my DMO office, the latest "add on"
they offered during an annual exam was Vizilite oral cancer screening for
$65 (not covered of course). Anyone have any feelings about the usefulness
of this? What I was told is that if a cancer develops to the point of being
visible, it's a stage 3 or 4 which means it's already become dangerous and
potentially lethal and that the Vizilite detects growths before this point.

Thanks.
Dr Steve - 07 Jun 2005 23:55 GMT
DMO!!!!!!

I have a great parody that someone wrote to the local journal many years ago
saved away.  It describes the new GM CMO  (Car Maintenance Organization).
Great reading.  I can forward it to your email if you want a laugh.  I
suspect there may be copywrite problems if I cut and paste the whole thing
here.

You are usually better off forgetting the DMO and paying for all dental work
out of pocket.  It may even be cheaper.

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> As I've pretty much come to expect from my DMO office, the latest "add on"
> they offered during an annual exam was Vizilite oral cancer screening for
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> Thanks.
W_B - 08 Jun 2005 15:22 GMT
>DMO!!!!!!
>
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>You are usually better off forgetting the DMO and paying for all dental work
>out of pocket.  It may even be cheaper.

Send it on, bro.

BTW that's copy-right
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Steven Bornfeld - 08 Jun 2005 02:58 GMT
> As I've pretty much come to expect from my DMO office, the latest "add on"
> they offered during an annual exam was Vizilite oral cancer screening for
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>
> Thanks.

    Nonsense.  Caught early, oral cancer is very treatable.  You only have
to look--something many dentists and physicians fail to do.
    If there is something suspicious, a biopsy should be done.  The
screening test to do in mildly questionable areas is called the Oral
CDx--called a "brush biopsy".  IMO, it doesn't really qualify as a true
biopsy, but it seems to be useful.
    The vast majority of oral cancer victims are heavy smokers and heavy
drinkers.  Charging $65 for a cancer check when it should be included in
every oral exam is IMO unconscionable.

Steve

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Steven Fawks - 08 Jun 2005 14:21 GMT
You forgot smokeless tobacco.  One guy with a bad looking snuff lesion
never got oral cancer, but it did develop in his throat (I couldn't see
down there).  Killed him too.  Nice guy in his 50's.

Fawks

>     The vast majority of oral cancer victims are heavy smokers and heavy
> drinkers.  Charging $65 for a cancer check when it should be included in
> every oral exam is IMO unconscionable.
>
> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 08 Jun 2005 14:24 GMT
> You forgot smokeless tobacco.  One guy with a bad looking snuff lesion
> never got oral cancer, but it did develop in his throat (I couldn't see
> down there).  Killed him too.  Nice guy in his 50's.
>
> Fawks

    Thanks--you're right of course.  We don't have too much of that in NY
however, so I haven't seen it.

Steve

>>     The vast majority of oral cancer victims are heavy smokers and
>> heavy drinkers.  Charging $65 for a cancer check when it should be
>> included in every oral exam is IMO unconscionable.
>>
>> Steve

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Steven Fawks - 08 Jun 2005 18:07 GMT
>> You forgot smokeless tobacco.  One guy with a bad looking snuff lesion
>> never got oral cancer, but it did develop in his throat (I couldn't see
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>
> Steve

It is rampant around these parts.  My son just finished his freshman
year at college playing baseball and 50-75% of the PLAYERS had a 'dip'
during every game.

He thanked me for being a dentist (it relieved the peer pressure when
he used me as an excuse for not partaking).

Fawks
StovePipe - 09 Jun 2005 05:14 GMT
> It [smokeless chaw]is rampant around these parts.  My son just finished
> his freshman year at college playing baseball and 50-75% of the PLAYERS
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>
> Fawks

If you could get your IntraOral camera far enough down to the back of
the throat as I just described, and snap a pic of a lesion or two, and
then post them in your office, and then volunteer to examine the ball
team, you might get a few more to stop chewing while they're still
young.
Just an Idea
SP
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StovePipe - 09 Jun 2005 05:14 GMT
> You forgot smokeless tobacco.  One guy with a bad looking snuff lesion
> never got oral cancer, but it did develop in his throat (I couldn't see
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> >
> > Steve

Actually you _can_ see down the throat quite a ways: Ask the patient to
stick out the tongue and attempt to say "eeeeeee" in a high voice.
gently insert the mirror into the oro-pharynx and look quickly. You
should see right down to the vocal chords. Once they stop singing, the
oro-pharynx closes real quick and they will gag, so be quick. If they
can't control their tongue, grab it in a 2X2  gauze and gently pull it
out. If I had an I/O camera. I'd be doing this with that and snapping a
quick picture; or have it record in movie mode as some cameras can do.
This is not something you want to do with every patient every time, but
a chewin' tobacco or heavy smoker will probably see the usefullness.

SP
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