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O Barbu DDS - 07 Jun 2005 01:06 GMT
I am a foreign trained dentist in California .

I have been practicing over two years.

I have found this:

http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/recognition.asp

It seems that none off this states (who offer licensure by reciprocity)
would accept foreign graduated dentists, even after 5 years of practice in
California

I am already licensed in CA and I do not want to go to dental school again
for 2 years.
I am not happy in CA and I want to move back to East Coast.
Any one has any idea how I could get a DDS license by reciprocity in other
state without going back to dental school?
Please help!!

obarbu@aol.com
Roy Brown - 07 Jun 2005 03:05 GMT
Did you miss this line that was in the link you posted?

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This licensure by credentials requirement of active, continuous practice for a
specified period of time, should not be confused with the

authority that state dental boards possess in granting initial licensure. For
initial licensure, state law permits boards to accept the

examination results of a regional dental clinical testing agency for a period of
time (again generally 5 years) whether or not the applicant is

licensed or has practiced in another state. The only requirement is that the
state will accept the results of that regional exam.

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O Barbu DDS - 07 Jun 2005 07:04 GMT
No, I did not miss that , but it is  not very clear to me what it is suposed
to mean.

So if I practice in California for 5 years, can I practice in New York or
no?

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Roy Brown - 07 Jun 2005 11:32 GMT
When and how did you get your licence?

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Dr Steve - 07 Jun 2005 14:40 GMT
I am afraid you are stuck...  California started letting foreign trained
dentists in to serve areas lacking adequate care.  Many foreign dentists
have tried to use this as a spring board to get licensure in other States,
and it does not work that way.  I doubt you could get licensure in the East
Coast without completely further training.  JMHO.

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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Bill - 07 Jun 2005 21:06 GMT
> I am a foreign trained dentist in California .
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> http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/recognition.asp

You will note that this document states that "dentists are strongly
urged to contact the dental board of the state in which license
recognition is sought." You should contact directly the board of the
state in which you want to practice.

> It seems that none off this states (who offer licensure by reciprocity)
> would accept foreign graduated dentists, even after 5 years of practice in
> California

I am sorry that the government of California has tricked a number of
dentists into believing that a foreign dental education that is not
fully accredited in the United States would be enough to practice in
the U.S.A.

After practicing in California, many of these dentists are surprised to
learn that their California credentials are recognized by no other
state.

The state government has enticed foreign-educated dentists to come to
California in order to staff many of the high-volume welfare clinics
which had trouble recruiting American dentists due to low wages and
difficult working conditions. This saves the state treasury a
considerable amount of money, so years ago, the state changed its
educational standards to permit dentists to be licensed even without an
accredited education.

The other states are aware of this, and my understanding is that they
refuse to lower their educational requirements just to please the
politicians in California. Fortunately, many U.S. dental schools have
programs which evaluate the educational attainments of foreign-trained
dentists and allow them to complete the requirements for a U.S. dental
degree in only two years, instead of the full four years.

It's ironic that California schools also offer this program, which
allows foreign-trained dentists (who may even be licensed in
California) to obtain a fully accredited education, and thus become
eligible to apply for licensure in the other 49 states.

> I am already licensed in CA and I do not want to go to dental school again
> for 2 years.
> I am not happy in CA and I want to move back to East Coast.

If you are working in a high-volume clinic, I can understand your
unhappiness. But remember that your license is good anywhere in
California and you are NOT tied down to one office or one city, or to
one region of the state.

California is a huge state with many different kinds of communities and
many different income levels. There are large cities, scattered
suburbs, and many far-flung rural areas as well. If you look around the
state you could probably find a community to match almost any kind of
community you would find on the East Coast.

Since you already have a California license, it would probably be
easier to move to a different location within the state than to go
through the process of becoming eligible to practice in the other
states.

> Any one has any idea how I could get a DDS license by reciprocity in other
> state without going back to dental school?
> Please help!!

As you already have a dental license which is good anywhere in the
entire state, why would you want to move all the way out of state?

- dentaldoc
O Barbu DDS - 08 Jun 2005 05:48 GMT
Actually I am NOT working high volume, I see private patients and PPO
patients most of the time and I have had plenty of good job offers.
I have a very good job, 3 miles from my apartment in W Hollywood ;is living
in California what bothers me, I used to live in NYC and I cannot get used
to living here in LA.

And I feel that is unfair that NY state would not  let me practice , even if
I go to an ADA accredited residency program, instead of going to dental
school.

How come that a DMD-foreign medical school graduate  can practice anywhere
in the US after residency , and a DDS or DMD cannot.

Is unfair , is all politics and is BS.

The restorative technique exam I had to take in California has a  6 %
passing rate, and the California Dental Board is more difficult than any
regional board.

Does any one really belive that California has lower standards?

In fact , is more difficult to get licensed here.

Would I really endanger patients if I practice somewhere else, or is all
politics and fear of competition?\

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Steven Bornfeld - 08 Jun 2005 13:42 GMT
> Actually I am NOT working high volume, I see private patients and PPO
> patients most of the time and I have had plenty of good job offers.
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> Is unfair , is all politics and is BS.

    Sorry I haven't followed this thread.  My knowledge is not 100% up to
date, but until recently (and perhaps still) graduates of foreign dental
programs had to pass something called the "bench test" for licensure in
NY State.  There was a part-time training program at NYU College of
Dentistry designed to prepare foreign graduates for this bench test.  It
was run by a man named Zalman Dunn.  You might want to call NYUCD on
this--they doubtless know all the ins and outs about licensure for
foreign-trained dentists.

Good luck,
Steve

> The restorative technique exam I had to take in California has a  6 %
> passing rate, and the California Dental Board is more difficult than any
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Steven Fawks - 08 Jun 2005 14:10 GMT
> Actually I am NOT working high volume, I see private patients and PPO
> patients most of the time and I have had plenty of good job offers.
> I have a very good job, 3 miles from my apartment in W Hollywood ;is living
> in California what bothers me, I used to live in NYC and I cannot get used
> to living here in LA.

If you checked around NYC on the sly, I bet you could find a dentist
with a NY license that would love to be in California.  You guys could
just switch identities and both be happy without any political
entanglements.

Unfair....hmmm.....don't get me started on that one.

<heavy sarcasm>  <-------for those who don't know me.

Fawks
 
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