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Hi all, who has done den-mat's lumineers? I' d like a feedback if u have done some. any similar product on the market? Thx, JP > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > JP AFAIk , they're just porcelain laminate veneers that Den Mat claims can be made extra thin. I don't see any magic, but then I haven't seen them. They make the claim that you don't need to reduce the tooth, but they said that in the early days of laminates anyway. Steve  SignatureCut the nonsense to reply >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > make the claim that you don't need to reduce the tooth, but they said that > in the early days of laminates anyway. They work well for under-developed (ie--"peg") laterals...but I'd still put a small chamfer at the margin or else you get a food catch. They are very translucent, so shade matching on anterior teeth is very easy as long as there's no dark tooth structure to block out. Glidewell makes a similar veneer that they call Vivaneer. http://glidewell-lab.com/products/fixed_metalfree/vivaneers.html BTW--the one set of Lumineers that I did came back with a thickness between .5 and .7 mm measured with a Boley gauge. I'm pretty sure that that 0.3mm number was created by the marketing guys. >>>Hi all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > .5 and .7 mm measured with a Boley gauge. I'm pretty sure that that 0.3mm > number was created by the marketing guys. Enhanced translucency wouldn't be an asset if you're trying to mask stained teeth. I'm sure this could be opaqued, but wouldn't an opaque thin veneer look dead? Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >>>>Hi all, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > stained teeth. I'm sure this could be opaqued, but wouldn't an opaque > thin veneer look dead? Yes. If I have to mask out dark tooth, the prep is a lot more aggressive. > Enhanced translucency wouldn't be an asset if you're trying to mask >stained teeth. I'm sure this could be opaqued, but wouldn't an opaque >thin veneer look dead? > >Steve Check out: Contemporary Esthetics and Restorative Practice April 2005 pp 52 Ross Nash -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Enhanced translucency wouldn't be an asset if you're trying to mask >>stained teeth. I'm sure this could be opaqued, but wouldn't an opaque [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pp 52 > Ross Nash I refuse to read anything written by Ross Nash. I was attending the very first "Dentsply Symposium" and listening to Gordon Christensen. When I returned from a break, I sat down in the same chair that I was sitting in. In front of me on the table was an article on composite resin vs. all-ceramic crowns written by Nash. I picked it up and started reading it. Two minutes passed when I got a tap on the shoulder. Nash (who was sitting behind me): "Can I see that a minute?" Me: "Sure" (hands it to Nash) Nash snatches it from me and sticks it right into his briefcase without even looking at it, and asks: "How the hell did you get this?" I told him it was sitting on the desk with my papers when I got back from break...and I thought it was a handout for the current lecture. He mumbled something about it being a "future upcoming lecture of his" and "private property", and told me I had no right reading it. He then turned and left. The a-hole obviously put it down with the wrong papers when he went on break, and then had the nerve to practically accuse me of stealing it. I still can't figure out how this guy has gotten on the lecture circuit. His work isn't mediocre at best. I guess seeing his slides makes average dentists feel good about themselves. >The a-hole obviously put it down with the wrong papers when he went on >break, and then had the nerve to practically accuse me of stealing it. I've met him too, was a nice guy to me. >I still can't figure out how this guy has gotten on the lecture circuit. They will let anyone talk who wants to. Have been invited to give lectures myself, just not interested in it. >His work isn't mediocre at best. What ? Not sure what you mean here. >I guess seeing his slides makes average >dentists feel good about themselves. You must be a very talented dentist yourself. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>The a-hole obviously put it down with the wrong papers when he went on >>break, and then had the nerve to practically accuse me of stealing it. > > I've met him too, was a nice guy to me. He mustn't have caught you with his "stolen" journal article. >>I still can't figure out how this guy has gotten on the lecture circuit. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What ? Not sure what you mean here. Should have read "his work *is* mediocre at best." What do I mean by this? I've walked out of lectures, and said to myself "Wow, the stuff that this guy is doing is way over *my* abilities". (David Garber gave me that feeling with some of the implant restorative cases that he presented). Nash didn't give me that feeling...and I was only a year out of school when I saw him speak. >>I guess seeing his slides makes average >>dentists feel good about themselves. > > You must be a very talented dentist yourself. I left his lecture believing that I was at least as talented and capable as Nash in 2000. I've improved in leaps and bounds since then. I'm sure (and hope) that Nash has too. >>>Enhanced translucency wouldn't be an asset if you're trying to mask >>>stained teeth. I'm sure this could be opaqued, but wouldn't an opaque [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > His work isn't mediocre at best. I guess seeing his slides makes average > dentists feel good about themselves. I've seen Nash. You can take him. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >>>>Enhanced translucency wouldn't be an asset if you're trying to mask >>>>stained teeth. I'm sure this could be opaqued, but wouldn't an opaque [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > I've seen Nash. You can take him. But I already said that *I* didn't want him. I guess we can give him to W-B. > Check out: > > Contemporary Esthetics and Restorative Practice > April 2005 > pp 52 > Ross Nash Thanks. I'm sure it's on my desk here somewhere. Steve > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 If you have a copy of the May issue, could you send it to me. I never got one. I would at least like to know that they printed my picture properly. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Check out: Contemporary Esthetics and Restorative Practice [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Take out the G'RBAGE >> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >If you have a copy of the May issue, could you send it to me. I never got >one. I would at least like to know that they printed my picture properly. Will have to look around but, IIRC there was no photo of you. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com It was supposed to be in one of the last three issues, maybe I got the issue number wrong. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>If you have a copy of the May issue, could you send it to me. I never got [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >It was supposed to be in one of the last three issues, maybe I got the issue >number wrong. Think it was the April issue 2005, sorry I no longer have it. IIRC there was no photograph of you. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Oh well, thanks anyway. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>It was supposed to be in one of the last three issues, maybe I got the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Oh well, thanks anyway. Contact the publisher and ask for a back issue. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Check out: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Is this one of those freebee journals that you get sent to the office or is this a respected journal? FWIW: for me, the _most_ respected dental journal is "Dentistry Today". Running a very close second is "Dental Town" magazine. The third is "Forbes" Magazine, 'specially when they get to talking about rasins and gum disease. <the Pipe pulls out his suspenders importantly,,,> ;-) SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> Check out: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Is this one of those freebee journals that you get sent to the office or >is this a respected journal? It's a throw away. >FWIW: for me, the _most_ respected dental journal is "Dentistry Today". >Running a very close second is "Dental Town" magazine. You've got to be kidding >The third is >"Forbes" Magazine, 'specially when they get to talking about rasins and >gum disease. > ><the Pipe pulls out his suspenders importantly,,,> ;-) >SP Try Investors Business Daily. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote > >FWIW: for me, the _most_ respected dental journal is "Dentistry Today". > >Running a very close second is "Dental Town" magazine. > > You've got to be kidding consider your chain pulled. carabelli >"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote > >FWIW: for me, the _most_ respected >dental journal is "Dentistry Today". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >carabelli Suspected as much. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote > >FWIW: for me, the _most_ respected > dental journal is "Dentistry Today". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > carabelli Yessum' SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > >Is this one of those freebee journals that you get sent to the office or > >is this a respected journal? > > It's a throw away. OK, thought so. Thanks > >FWIW: for me, the _most_ respected dental journal is "Dentistry Today". > >Running a very close second is "Dental Town" magazine. > > You've got to be kidding tee-hee-hee..... and the Pipe reels in W_B..... > >The third is > >"Forbes" Magazine, 'specially when they get to talking about rasins and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Try Investors Business Daily. They don't talk about things they don't know anything about. When I'm up to the University, I always go into the business library and pull the recent Standard and Poors stock evaluations. Of course, you can subsrcibe online, but you'd have to make it pay. I don't have time right now. > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Thanks SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >JP Is refuse to use any Den Mat products. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >>Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Is refuse to use any Den Mat products. Why? I love their Infinity cement and Geristore. Also, I couldn't practice with out the Cerisaw. I feel their marketing process is less than sincere. I have yet to see any of their products test out better than other stuff. It often is just as good, just not any better. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>>Hi all, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Why? I love their Infinity cement and Geristore. Also, I couldn't > practice with out the Cerisaw. > >>Hi all, > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Why? I love their Infinity cement and Geristore. Also, I couldn't practice > with out the Cerisaw. Have to admit: there are situations where I feel better using Geristore in a particular mouth than Fuji 9. The "packability" is better, IMO, probably because it auto cures quicker. I also like the mixing tips and the L-shaped spout. Easy to use. If I'm using this as a 'final restoration', I put Seal N Shine over it. Butt: I have never been able to reproduce one of the original claims that the DenMutt people made for Geristore: that it can be placed subgingivally and the gums accept and attach to it. I also find that the Cerisaw is much easier to control than trying to force a Tofflemeyer matrix between the teeth.... and then frazzing it on the interdental papilla... "oh... sorry monsieur patient...". FWIW, I don't see how I can afford to rule in or out ANY product. If it works in my hands, I use it. <the Pipe's suspenders are still out a mile in front of his chest...> SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >>Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Mega Ditto ! -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >Hi all, > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. I do not use Den Mat's products either but the cerinate porcelain is not bad. It's more abrasive but is much stronger and for lumineers is a good choice. These veneers can look pretty good with the right case selection. Obviously if you prep the teeth, the reslts are not different than any other system but the whole idea behind lumineers is not to prep. by not needing to prep the cost to the patient can be considerably lower. For patients how are just looking for an improvement, I think no prep veneers are great. > y not > needing to prep the cost to the patient can be considerably lower. For > patients how are just looking for an improvement, I think no prep > veneers are great. That's encouraging. When you do this, do you get food 'impaction' at the gum line as NOYB has observed? Thanks SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Once you bond them in you need to feather the margin to avoid the food impaction. The final result is not bad it should be viewed as an improvement vs ideal solution and not everyone is a good candidate. > > y not > > needing to prep the cost to the patient can be considerably lower. For [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks > SP > Once you bond them in you need to feather the margin to avoid the food > impaction. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > line as NOYB > has observed? > > Thanks > SP > -- > Finally: take out the > TRASHH OK, thanks SP -- Finally: take out the TRASHH >> Once you bond them in you need to feather the margin to avoid the food >> impaction. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > OK, thanks > SP I should have clarified that I also feathered the margins. But the risk you run is that the margin gets uneven and you start "peeling" or chipping the porcelain off the tooth when it gets too thin. What I plan on doing next time I do a "no prep" veneer is to take a diamond round bur and make a very slight groove in the enamel at the cervical (still won't need a shot). That will give me a little more porcelain there so that I can feather the margin without worrying about it getting too thin and "peeling" away. > I should have clarified that I also feathered the margins. But the risk you > run is that the margin gets uneven and you start "peeling" or chipping the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > will give me a little more porcelain there so that I can feather the margin > without worrying about it getting too thin and "peeling" away. This sounds interesting.... I have two questions about that: Will you use the Glidwell veneers or are you sold on Lumineeers? Re: feathering the margins: I would try using SofLex disks rather than a diamond on the high speed. I might go through a ton of them, but I'b be doing it on the low speed, and so less chance of chipping the procelain, or heating it up too much and introducing craze lines either. Have you tried that? Thanks SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> I should have clarified that I also feathered the margins. But the risk >> you [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Will you use the Glidwell veneers or are you sold on Lumineeers? I'm not sold on anything. I'll probably try Glidewell. They're a lot less money and my experience with their all-porcelain lab has been very good (although not-so-good with their PFM's and removable lab). > Re: feathering the margins: I would try using SofLex disks rather than a > diamond on the high speed. I might go through a ton of them, but I'b be > doing it on the low speed, and so less chance of chipping the procelain, > or heating it up too much and introducing craze lines either. > > Have you tried that? Will Soflex disks cut porcelain? I didn't think that they would. You need something harder than porcelain...like diamond. > Will Soflex disks cut porcelain? I didn't think that they would. You need > something harder than porcelain...like diamond. But they _are_ diamond. Diamond grit on mylar plastic or cloth. (At least that's what I thought they were; I'll find out). SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Soflex are silica abrasives on Mylar backings,. They are good for polishing porcelain. I use them this way every day. >> Will Soflex disks cut porcelain? I didn't think that they would. You >> need [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > least that's what I thought they were; I'll find out). > SP > Soflex are silica abrasives on Mylar backings,. They are good for > polishing porcelain. I use them this way every day. It's not hard enough to do actual reduction of an overbulked margin though, is it? No, it will just smoothen the surface. You can work your way through them and make the margins undetectable to an explorer. >> Soflex are silica abrasives on Mylar backings,. They are good for >> polishing porcelain. I use them this way every day. > > It's not hard enough to do actual reduction of an overbulked margin > though, is it? > No, it will just smoothen the surface. You can work your way through them > and make the margins undetectable to an explorer. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> It's not hard enough to do actual reduction of an overbulked margin >> though, is it? I use them after a fine diamond or a green stone...but not for bulk reduction of an overcountoured margin as StovePipe suggested. Personally, I like a fine diamond with the water spray turned on full blast to reduce any excess porcelain, then work through the four Soflex discs to make the porcelain very smooth, and make the margins invisible to an explorer, then fine polish with paste and rubber cup. >> No, it will just smoothen the surface. You can work your way through >> them and make the margins undetectable to an explorer. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I use them after a fine diamond or a green stone...but not for bulk > reduction of an overcountoured margin as StovePipe suggested. > > No, it will just smoothen the surface. You can work your way through them > > and make the margins undetectable to an explorer. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I use them after a fine diamond or a green stone...but not for bulk > reduction of an overcountoured margin as StovePipe suggested. So I'm wrong. But they would be good for final polish, as I have done with those inlays. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH I aver that Dr. SM's margins are truly undetectable. >No, it will just smoothen the surface. You can work your way through them >and make the margins undetectable to an explorer. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> It's not hard enough to do actual reduction of an overbulked margin >> though, is it? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >No, it will just smoothen the surface. Smoothen ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Soflex are silica abrasives on Mylar backings,. They are good for polishing > porcelain. I use them this way every day. That is what I _thought_ you had said. I've now done two inlays (one is actually an MODB onlay, and I will post two pics, as I have questions), and the solfex disks are what I used to polish down the Z100 as cement. They both worked out resoundingly well as far as I can acertain. Thanks SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> Will you use the Glidwell veneers or are you sold on Lumineeers? > >I'm not sold on anything. I'll probably try Glidewell. They're a lot less >money and my experience with their all-porcelain lab has been very good >(although not-so-good with their PFM's and removable lab). Glidewell is good, but they are in Californication. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >> Will you use the Glidwell veneers or are you sold on Lumineeers? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com So are Lumineers (Den Mat). Either there or Miami, I think. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> I should have clarified that I also feathered the margins. But the risk you >> run is that the margin gets uneven and you start "peeling" or chipping the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Thanks >SP The 'no prep' veneer is bogus. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I've done lots of no-prep veneers, but they have all been direct composites. ;-) Fawks > The 'no prep' veneer is bogus. > -- > > W_B >I've done lots of no-prep veneers, but they have all been >direct composites. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> W_B Still like to roughen the surface for those. Was referring to porcelain. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >I've done lots of no-prep veneers, but they have all been > >direct composites. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Was referring to porcelain. > -- Then you should have a Danville MicroEtch II, fully autoclavable. You bzap the surface of the tooth and then etch and bond. They are good for any surface you want to bond: metal, Porcelain, composite, enamel, dentin, acrylic, Lexan. Geez I sound like a spammer, but I have not regretted for one minute buying that thing. Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> >I've done lots of no-prep veneers, but they have all been >> >direct composites. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Geez I sound like a spammer, but I have not regretted for one minute > buying that thing. I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum oxide dust from going all over the place when using it intraorally? | >> >I've done lots of no-prep veneers, but they have all been | >> >direct composites. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum oxide | dust from going all over the place when using it intraorally? Shop vac? SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply > | >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:02:38 GMT, Steven Fawks > <tuthjockey@earthlink.net> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Shop vac? Thanks for the idea. I tried it this morning. Just more one question... Does anybody have any experience with removing the stomach, esophagus, and tongue from a shop-vac and reattaching them to a patient without them noticing? >> | I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum >> oxide [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >tongue from a shop-vac and reattaching them to a patient without them >noticing? Stabilize with sutures before application. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com First the Pipe blathered: > > Then you should have a Danville MicroEtch II, fully autoclavable. You > > bzap the surface of the tooth and then etch and bond. They are good for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum oxide > dust from going all over the place when using it intraorally? 'Fraid not; I use it (sometimes I put on the rubber damn dam) and do what I have to, and then leave the operatory to rinse my gloves off with water (or change them) and meanwhile the assistant is having the patient wretch over the cuspidor. As they gasp for breath, I remind them that this gizmo helps to eliminate the need for freezing. There really is no other way that I can see. I _do_ pass the broom and dust bin if I've done alot of the stuff. I have them rinse again at the sink in the sterilization area before leaving, as having AlO2 between your teeth when you bite is the pits. SP SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Danville engineering makes a neat little machine with a filter to catch almost all the oxyde coming out of your microetcher. Its called "micro-cab" if i remember correctly... The only problem i have found over the years is i have to replace the plastic transparent lid regularly cause it get unpolished and aint transparent anymore. (like for the last 6 months...) But it shows u the damage this dust can induce to anything it touches. There u go! i found the link: http://www.daneng.com/frame_index.html Very useful little machine. Had it for years and happy with it SignatureJean-Paul > >> >I've done lots of no-prep veneers, but they have all been > >> >direct composites. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum oxide > dust from going all over the place when using it intraorally? Here is a suggestion. Tape a clear plastic sheet protector on the inside of the lid either now or next time you replace the lid. A lot easier to replace on the fly when things start clouding up. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | Danville engineering makes a neat little machine with a filter to catch | almost all the oxyde coming out of your microetcher. Its called "micro-cab" [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] | > I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum oxide | > dust from going all over the place when using it intraorally? Gee, great idea! thankx SignatureJean-Paul > Here is a suggestion. Tape a clear plastic sheet protector on the inside of the > lid either now or next time you replace the lid. A lot easier to replace on the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > | > I use one of those. Have you found a good way to keep the aluminum oxide > | > dust from going all over the place when using it intraorally? > Gee, great idea! > thankx Even better: Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Clear Plastic Cleaner http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Mirror-Glaze-Clear -Plastic-Cleaner&sku=M-17 > Danville engineering makes a neat little machine with a filter to catch > almost all the oxyde coming out of your microetcher. Its called > "micro-cab" > if i remember correctly... I have it. I'm having a problem fitting my patients' heads in it though. >The only problem i have found over the years is > i have to replace the plastic transparent lid regularly cause it get > unpolished and aint transparent anymore. (like for the last 6 months...) McGuiars makes a plexiglass polish that clears it right up! >Danville engineering makes a neat little machine with a filter to catch >almost all the oxyde coming out of your microetcher. Its called "micro-cab" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >There u go! i found the link: http://www.daneng.com/frame_index.html >Very useful little machine. Had it for years and happy with it How do you get the patients' head in it ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Danville engineering makes a neat little machine with a filter to catch >>almost all the oxyde coming out of your microetcher. Its called [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How do you get the patients' head in it ? Not a problem with pediatric patients, but it scares the daylights out of the 'em. > Danville engineering makes a neat little machine with a filter to catch > almost all the oxyde coming out of your microetcher. Its called "micro-cab" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > There u go! i found the link: http://www.daneng.com/frame_index.html > Very useful little machine. Had it for years and happy with it Bon...Merci pour cela! That is the best solution yet. There is now no real reason not to have the fully autoclavable MicroEtcher IIA in your practice. There are few products I would recommend as highly. If it were lost or damaged tomorrow, I would not hesitate for one second to re-order it. Merci Encore, J-P SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> >> W_B >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Cheers >SP Kewl, thanks for the tip ! How much ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Kewl, thanks for the tip ! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I got it in Toronto at the Ray Bertolotti <da da> lecture last Oct; Sinclair dental was there with some good stuff. I _think_ it was just under 400 Kanadiaaaan dollarettes. I would phone Parkell or Danville direct and see if you can order it from them. The first use I made of it was to defend myself against Molly (the Rabbbbid Rotweiler) at Roy and Carol Ann's place. I would suggest getting the Mark II as the Mark I is not fully autoclavable. The autoclavability is a real plus, in my book. After all, that is how I ruined the Biolase laser. Also get a jar of Aluminum Oxide AND a jar of the Ortho Powder: this last will remove composites yet leave the underlying tooth intact. It must be ground up composite material... I think.... SP SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH |
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