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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / June 2005Who uses those dental plans?
Are dental plans just a marketing tool for dental offices that don' have enough customers Are there good dentists (as in practicing a long time and well known that also participate in these programs (I'm talking about the plans where you pay $12/month and get fre x-rays, a cleaning and discounted rates, etc. >Are dental plans just a marketing tool for dental offices that don't >have enough customers? >Are there good dentists (as in practicing a long time and well known) >that also participate in these programs? Not me. >(I'm talking about the plans where you pay $12/month and get free >x-rays, a cleaning and discounted rates, etc.) Yep, it's a rip off. Bait & Switch. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com So I guess it is just better to forget the insurance thing (o whatever you want to call it: "plans") altogether and just go pay good dentist, or go on an excursion to another country wher healthcare costs are less Haha Yeah I guess so Well, some of them "plans" have been around for over 10 year so if they did not add value to the consumer I would think they would have gone out of business by now. My company's VP of Provider Relations was asked to be the keynote speaker at the ADA's National Convention last year; she was asked to speak on the future of Dental Care. She was asked back this year as well. So, some "plans" do outshine others. http://mybenefitsplus.com/salinas They add value for the plan salesman.  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Haha > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://mybenefitsplus.com/salinas > Haha > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://mybenefitsplus.com/salinas Who is this VP of Provider Relations? I'd like to check this out with the ADA myself. Does Bruce Marshall Sherman have anything to do with your organization? Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > Haha > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > did not add value to the consumer I would think they would have gone > out of business by now. No. Anything can stay in business as long as the consumer THINKS he's getting a deal. Some dentists will sign up as long as they know they can pull a bait-and-switch on the patients. Others may give a 5-minute coronal polish and charge the patient for a full dental prophylaxis. I've seen it all. When I reviewed the list of participating dentists, I couldn't find on it any of the dentists in the community with the better reputations. Why do you suppose that is? > My company's VP of Provider Relations was asked to be the keynote > speaker at the ADA's National Convention last year; she was asked to > speak on the future of Dental Care. She was asked back this year as > well. So, some "plans" do outshine others. > > http://mybenefitsplus.com/salinas What is her name? Are you sure she was the "KEYNOTE" speaker, or did she just rent a booth on the convention floor to promote her plan? There is a big difference. I'd like to confirm that with the ADA. - dentaldoc >>Haha >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > it any of the dentists in the community with the better reputations. > Why do you suppose that is? I have heard that some of these plans actually list dentists on their provider list that have not in fact signed contracts. Steve >>My company's VP of Provider Relations was asked to be the keynote >>speaker at the ADA's National Convention last year; she was asked to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - dentaldoc SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >>>Haha >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I have heard that some of these plans actually list dentists on their > provider list that have not in fact signed contracts. I like how they list every dentist in a large clinic separately, plus a separate listing for every location of the clinic, so the same clinic will get 25-30 listings. Makes it look like a lot of duettists are signed up. >I like how they list every dentist in a large clinic separately, plus a >separate listing for every location of the clinic, so the same clinic will >get 25-30 listings. Makes it look like a lot of duettists are signed up. duettists ? dualists ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Got to slow down to see what the spell checker is suggesting Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>I like how they list every dentist in a large clinic separately, plus a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com It sounds like we have two opposing views already There is a dentist next to my studio. She drives a Mustang that ha been "pimped" into a Kiss-mobile (as in the rock group). When I went to schedule an appointment with her, they said it would b 2 months, because she is "that" booked, but that I could signup fo her call list if there was a cancellation She has booklets for a dental plan in the lobby area, and th receptionist explained that i could save money by sighning up Why would they want to offer a discount plan if they are "that" booke already (and therefore don't need to give discounts posted at www.healthcareforums.org >Why would they want to offer a discount plan if they are "that" booked >already? >(and therefore don't need to give discounts) Kickbacks. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I don't know the current 'monthly payments' that are offered for each dental patient enrolled in most capitation programs, but it might come out to about $150 per YEAR (money paid to the dentist). Since the patient contributes nothing, the dentist has to keep cost down to about $80/pt./yr. *OR* 'sell' dentistry that isn't covered under the plan (or go broke, but that wouldn't be a logical choice). It's all dollars and cents. After X-rays, exam, and prophy, I could not afford to render any more 'free' treatment or I would lose money on the deal. The only winner in this deal is the 'insurance' company. JMO, Fawks > It sounds like we have two opposing views already. > There is a dentist next to my studio. She drives a Mustang that has [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (and therefore don't need to give discounts) > posted at www.healthcareforums.org >It's all dollars and cents. After X-rays, exam, and prophy, I could not >afford to render any more 'free' treatment or I would lose money on the >deal. The only winner in this deal is the 'insurance' company. > >JMO, >Fawks Some would argue that the patient wins too. Of course at the expense of the dentist. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I don't think the patient can win with substandard care or procedures that they don't really need. Fawks >>It's all dollars and cents. After X-rays, exam, and prophy, I could not >>afford to render any more 'free' treatment or I would lose money on the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I don't think the patient can win with substandard care or procedures >that they don't really need. > >Fawks Agreed. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > W_Bwrote On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:39:05 GMT, Steven Fawk <tuthjockey@earthlink.net> wrote > I don't think the patient can win with substandard care o procedure > that they don't really need > > Fawk Agreed - W_ Take out the G'RBAG wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com[/quote:ea3b34e729 Yes, and I can recall getting especially strong "scare" tactics at chain location. So they were offering a dental plan, but they wer recommending way more than I feel was needed, and on a second opinio the (non-chain) dentist felt I needed about half as much posted at www.healthcareforums.org |
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