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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / May 2005From Joel Eichen
I think this is so wrong! UM MOM Susan From Joel M. Eichen Yes Jan Drew pulled one of her stunts again. If sci.med.dentistry is Jan Drew's turf, and she decides who is lying about amalgam, then that says lots about what people are free to post. You are welcome to post this.Thanks for your concern! Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. Philadelphia PA >I think this is so wrong! Of course it is. JD can no more keep JE off any unmoderated news group than we can keep JD off. There are a million ways around the gate guards. Well I find this very upsetting and I don't know Joel like you do. He has just helped me like others of you have with questions I have had. The bragging about it yesterday was what made me ask him if all was ok. UM MOM Susan >>I think this is so wrong! > > Of course it is. JD can no more keep JE off any unmoderated news > group than we can keep JD off. There are a million ways around the gate > guards. Joel asked me to post this to further explain his position. Hello Susan! Yes, I just read the thread at www.deja.com. Thanks for relaying the message. I have been busy with a few other projects and have been away from the computer for this entire week. Vaughn is correct in that I can certainly set up another account and get right back into the discussions. However, newsgroups (NNTP) were designed as an alterantive, free-opinion, means of communcation. People are free to hold whatever belief they choose. If someone believes the earth is populated by Little Green Martians, so be it. We are also free to discuss and debate why this may not be accurate. Along comes Jan Drew who hollers "LIAR" who believes all the dentists are in denial. No problem there. We answer speech with more speech. However, ISPs and NNTP server organizations are not in the business of adjudicating disputes. They do not care who is right and who is wrong. If there are complaints, they simply X out an account. So be it. This is fair. However, this is NOT the spirit in which nntp was designed. What is not fair and what is not appropriate is Jan Drew's behavior to SILENCE dissent and to silence anyone who criticizes her. I noticed that Jan LIED to imply that I am using her name in some way. I guess the time has come to consider that we have discussed all we can discuss. Its been a great run, but dealing with misinformation and dealing with aberrant personalities such as Jan Drew have lost their appeal. Please post this as further explanation. Thanks again. Joel M. Eichen 05/19/2005 > Joel asked me to post this to further explain his position. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > 05/19/2005 Well, to me it sounds Joel got the idea of nntp. But the way things are discussed here are the problem. If I would be free to tell my opionion so why is it then that I was attacked as a person and not the opinion itself? Why is it then that facts are neglected at first and after 5 posts admitted at last? Why does everything new I tell have to be wrong? The discussions and debates often tend to be accusations and insults and sound aggressive. This is not very open minded. To Joel and Jan; this seems to me and old long lasting war, like neighbours in a small town complaining about the greener grass of the others. This will never end i think.  SignatureDr. Jochen Kulow |email: jochen.kulowNOSPAM Zahnarzt/Dentist | (at)dentalmail.de |remove NOSPAM |PGP: http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net |HP: http://www.dr-kulow.de --------------------PGP-Fingerprint------------------- DAA3 468E 10FB 463D AE5C A135 6D6B 9250 7746 6FC7 ------------------------------------------------------ > Well, to me it sounds Joel got the idea of nntp. But the way things are > discussed here are the problem. > > If I would be free to tell my opionion so why is it then that I was > attacked as a person and not the opinion itself? Your "opinion" included an attack on people who oppose your views...you acused them of basing their decisions on money not the health of their patients. That isn't very open minded either! You reap what you sow. T >> Well, to me it sounds Joel got the idea of nntp. But the way things are >> discussed here are the problem. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >T And JK certainly made sure there was ample manure to fertilize what was sown. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Well, to me it sounds Joel got the idea of nntp. But the way things are >>discussed here are the problem. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > T That's exactly what I wanted to show. I explained that the NHS wants to avoid spending money for amalgam replacements. And I explained that dentists make money out of amalgam. When asked to make white fillings or healthier or what ever. Many will replace amalgam when asked. This is no attack on people not sharing my opinion. Is this an accousation? No it's just fact, at least over here. If you say this isn't true for US, I'll accept this. SignatureDr. Jochen Kulow |email: jochen.kulowNOSPAM Zahnarzt/Dentist | (at)dentalmail.de |remove NOSPAM |PGP: http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net |HP: http://www.dr-kulow.de --------------------PGP-Fingerprint------------------- DAA3 468E 10FB 463D AE5C A135 6D6B 9250 7746 6FC7 ------------------------------------------------------ > To Joel and Jan; this seems to me and old long lasting war, like > neighbours in a small town complaining about the greener grass of the > others. This will never end i think. There are many ways to participate in a newsgroup. smd is just a cast of characters creating a virtual "street classroom". Sometimes the "classroom" goes on tour ... and the cast is augmented to meet certain needs. I miss the mental gymnastics of this environment. Imagination is what keeps the place alive. Most of the regs might consider agreeing ... or not. ;-) Regards, Webby > I miss the mental gymnastics of this environment. Imagination is what > keeps the place alive. Most of the regs might consider agreeing ... or > not. ;-) > > Regards, > Webby --Yes-- SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Hello doc, I am trying to use English that is easy to understand. You should continue to post and read here. Sometimes the introduction is not pleasant when someone decides to start posting frequently. That is the way usenet works. Let us get to know you. You should try to get to know us also. It can be a good thing for both of us. The only thing that should happen when opposing points of view is learning. carabelli USA orthodontist > Hello doc, > > I am trying to use English that is easy to understand. It sounds like he writes English better than you! > Joel asked me to post this to further explain his position. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > SILENCE dissent and to silence anyone who criticizes her. I noticed that > Jan LIED to imply that I am using her name in some way. Joel's noticing is much like his posting. JDrew63929@aol.com wrote: > To Whom it may Concern: > This poster has had two accounts closed, one for impersonating me using [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I am sick and tired of this man and his lies. Please take appropriate > action I guess the time has > come to consider that we have discussed all we can discuss. Its been a > great run, but dealing with misinformation and dealing with aberrant > personalities such as Jan Drew have lost their appeal. I sure hope so. Your misinformation is well known as well as your obsession with using my name and telling scores of LIES. > Please post this as further explanation. Thanks again. > > Joel M. Eichen > > 05/19/2005 The explanation is in the warning I gave you and you made fun of it. You are a slow learner. LL/Jan > Joel asked me to post this to further explain his position. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > message. I have been busy with a few other projects and have been away > from the computer for this entire week. Uh huh. Like he is when he read and sent this to Sdores........................................ Righto Vaughn is correct in that I can certainly > set up another account and get right back into the discussions. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > 05/19/2005 > No problem there. We answer speech with more speech. However, ISPs and NNTP > server organizations are not in the business of adjudicating disputes. They > do not care who is right and who is wrong. If there are complaints, they > simply X out an account. So be it. This is fair. However, this is NOT the > spirit in which nntp was designed. Why can we not do the same with SWNMNBM? SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> No problem there. We answer speech with more speech. However, ISPs and >> NNTP [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why can we not do the same with SWNMNBM? > SP Has nothing whatsoever to do with disputes. Has to do with LYING and violation of "netiquette", LL/Jan Freedom of speech has limitations. In usenet, as long as a person has an account, that person can "speak" *almost* whatever the person desires. The trouble is, sooner or later, the audience will become so small that it's as good as no one "listening". I am a "non-listener" because the poster "speaks" nothing worth my efforts to "listen". Seeing words on my monitor is completely different from "reading and listening" to the thoughts/ideas of the poster. Webby > Freedom of speech has limitations. In usenet, as long as a person has an > account, that person can "speak" *almost* whatever the person desires. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > efforts to "listen". Seeing words on my monitor is completely different > from "reading and listening" to the thoughts/ideas of the poster. Some of us rarely even have our screens defiled by the words. The blanket was thrown over that particular parrot cage a long time ago. Vaughn > Webby In article <t%nje.797267$w62.322316@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-AB6920.08004620052005@news-rdr-03.socal.rr [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > Webby You got it right. I rarely let the words get on my screen because I use a "mark read" click without hesitation. Usually a speaking parrot is smart enough to come up with something different in order to get attention!!!!!!!!! -- even if it's just noise!!! Take care, Vaughn, Webby But first Vaughn observed: > > Some of us rarely even have our screens defiled by the words. The > > blanket was thrown over that particular parrot cage a long time ago. > > > > Vaughn But all around the parrot cage, there is still bird sh.t all over the place, messing and stinking in the most objectionable way. _That_ is the part I cannot stomach. SP > > > Webby > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Take care, Vaughn, > Webby SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > But all around the parrot cage, there is still bird sh.t all over the > place, messing and stinking in the most objectionable way. _That_ is the > part I cannot stomach. Random thoughts, hope you can use one of them. 1) If the parrot is totally insignificant and not even worthy of mention, it must also be so for the droppings. 2) If you can pretend the parrot is not there, you can pretend the droppings are not there. 3) If you ignore the parrot long enough, it will get bored and go somewhere else in search of a responsive audience. 4) Remember that lady on Saturday Night Live who sticks her fingers in her ears and makes that "LULULULULULU" noise? Vaughn But first, the Pipe bellowed like a sick sow: > > But all around the parrot cage, there is still bird sh.t all over the > > place, messing and stinking in the most objectionable way. _That_ is the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 1) If the parrot is totally insignificant and not even worthy of mention, > it must also be so for the droppings. True > 2) If you can pretend the parrot is not there, you can pretend the > droppings are not there. True > 3) If you ignore the parrot long enough, it will get bored and go > somewhere else in search of a responsive audience. True > 4) Remember that lady on Saturday Night Live who sticks her fingers > in her ears and makes that "LULULULULULU" noise? Yes.... true, very true... > Vaughn Vaughn, what the hell do YOU know?!?!?!? ;-) ----- I was the one who said that I consider that individual to be the handmaiden of the Beast, as that individual induces us to waste our time. I will go back to drawing what I think this individual looks like, pasting it to the dart board, and taking out the AK-47.... Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> Freedom of speech has limitations. In usenet, as long as a person has an >> account, that person can "speak" *almost* whatever the person desires. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >> Webby The Webby wrote in a message that I wrote that, so that just shows the lying that goes on here.. I indeed did not write that. LL/Jan > > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-AB6920.08004620052005@news-rdr-03.socal. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > LL/Jan Get an education in reading usenet if you don't understand how it's done. Look above where it says "The Webby [cut] wrote in message [cut]..." and tell anyone or everyone (since almost no one will read your post) exactly where *you* wrote anything at all. Webby "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message..................... > Get an education in reading usenet if you don't understand how it's > done. Look above where it says "The Webby [cut] wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Webby Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. carabelli In article <z2xje.799998$w62.423075@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> .....: > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in > message..................... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carabelli Certainly not *all* of the American public, I hope!! Webby ;-) > Well I find this very upsetting and I don't know Joel like you do. He has > just helped me like others of you have with questions I have had. The > bragging about it yesterday was what made me ask him if all was ok. UM > MOM Susan You didn't find Joel's LIES upsetting. As a mom. I hope you teach you child that lying is wrong, and being a bully, using someone's name over 15,000 times is being a bully. Ll/Jan >>>I think this is so wrong! >> >> Of course it is. JD can no more keep JE off any unmoderated news >> group than we can keep JD off. There are a million ways around the gate >> guards. >>I think this is so wrong! > > Of course it is. That's what his sever thought, based on his own words, all 15,000 of them. LIES LIES AND MORE LIES. JD can no more keep JE off any unmoderated news group > than we can keep JD off. There are a million ways around the gate guards. > I think this is so wrong! UM MOM Susan > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. > Philadelphia PA Joel has continued to poke his finger into the cage when he knew the dog was a biter. The fact he got bit again shouldn't be a surprise. Better off to just throw a blanket over the cage and pretend the dog is gone. Just for the record, I think that dogs that bite should be taken out behind the tool shed and put down, but I am not the dog warden in this here town. T Tony, Please leave the dogs out of this, they are innocent creatures unless taught differently. More to the point is "Never underestimate the power of a woman" Gail > Tony, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gail Bull, anyone can behave like the 2nd grade tattler that takes advantage server policies regarding complaints. I have her blocked. However, if she is posting in the same pattern as in the past, she is violating her own ISP's TOS in about every other post. carabelli With the continuous slanderous, libelous attacks, most certainly. Don't read 'em anymore either. Catch a few responses now and again. Fawks > Bull, anyone can behave like the 2nd grade tattler that takes advantage > server policies regarding complaints. I have her blocked. However, if she > is posting in the same pattern as in the past, she is violating her own > ISP's TOS in about every other post. > > carabelli >> Tony, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > carabelli Typical from Dan. People who respect themselves view selfishness, loss of self-discipline, recklessness, cowardice and dishonesty as wrong and unworthy of them. They have inner strength and are unwilling to let others use or manipulate them. They know that showing patience or tolerance does not mean allowing others to mistreat them. LL/Jan > Typical from Dan. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LL/Jan http://www.sradi.de/wale.jpg SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > LL/Jan > http://www.sradi.de/wale.jpg > SP > -- > Finally: take out the TRASHH ROFL -- thanks again, StovePipe! Your sense of humor is always a breath of fresh -- oops, maybe not so fresh! -- air. ;-) Best regards, dentaldoc > > > LL/Jan > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Best regards, > dentaldoc Bienvenue, mon ami! backspace over the suffix and look at some of his other photos (in the FUN tab). Some are good, like the kitty wearing a fruit peel, and some are gross. Guess you missed this one as well: http://tinypic.com/5af1xy BTW: I took a pic of my Salton coffee warmer with some GP on it and what it looks like when you put a plugger in it. I'll put those up soon. Cheers! SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > Tony, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gail No...more to the point would be "never underestimate the power of an a.shole with a computer and a self righteous streak a mile wide". I hope you don't mind me using "a.shole" as a reference...I know most anal sphincters are quite innocent as well....you see...dog was just a metaphor. T >> Tony, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a.shole > with a computer That would be a description of Joel. <Snip> > T "Tony Bad" <spamspams...@bakedbeans.spam> wrote in message news:Mk3je.13734$Bg4.8404@fe10.lga... > <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:xT1je.1261$H24.681@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... >> Tony, >> Please leave the dogs out of this, they are innocent creatures unless >> taught differently. More to the point is "Never underestimate the >> power >> of a woman" >> Gail > No...more to the point would be "never underestimate the power of an > a.shole > with a computer That would be a description of Joel. That's the same as my saying And so are you but what am I? That's the way I have talked since the tird grade andthat's the way I still talk now. LL/J > That's the same as my saying And so are you but what am I? That's the > way I have talked since the tird grade andthat's the way I still talk > now. > > LL/J The pot has finally cracked! LOL T Now that is one lollipot that should not be filtered. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> That's the same as my saying And so are you but what am I? That's the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > T >Now that is one lollipot that should not be filtered. JME ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Shhhhhh ! ! ! Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>Now that is one lollipot that should not be filtered. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > > Tony, > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > T As I have said before: it never ceases to amaze me how modern science can wrap a whole person around one a.shole. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > Tony, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gail http://www.sradi.de/frauen_kopierer.jpg SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH So long as the dog stays out of my yard and does not interfere with my music, watching TV or spending time with family and friends. Otherwise, I take measures to ensure the owner keeps the dog under better control. I am forever pointing out the dog and cat owners who let their beast roam the neighborhood that my 40 and 50 year old cars on the driveway will occasionally spill antifreeze which is very toxic to pets. So, don't let them wander onto my driveway. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> I think this is so wrong! UM MOM Susan [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > T > So long as the dog stays out of my yard and does not interfere with my > music, watching TV or spending time with family and friends. Hah, here is a funny story. (Note I am not making fun of anyone or implying that dogs should be treated inhumanely) As I posted before, once while playing tennis i was nearly attacked by a German sherpard for no reason. Turns out I had a white raquet and the owner said the dog was hit with a white raquet as a puppy. What I didn't say is after the incident I told one person the story and added. "Whatever you do don't show up at the tennis court with a white raquet. You will be attacked by the German Shepard". The next the person showed up, not only with a white raquet, but white headband, white shorts ,white sneakers, and a white shirt. Luckily the dog wasn't there but that person reminds of Joel. Otherwise, I > take measures to ensure the owner keeps the dog under better control. I am > forever pointing out the dog and cat owners who let their beast >Just for the record, I think that dogs that bite should be taken out behind >the tool shed and put down >T Why not just remove the teeth ? (dental content) -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >I think this is so wrong! UM MOM Susan It is!!!!!!! As usual Joel has it backwards. > From Joel M. Eichen > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. > Philadelphia PA Sounds like Joel. Joel's own words has now got the third account closed!!!! His has the audacity to call it *my* stunts, and Susan believes him!!!!!!! *Jan apologizes to dentists* AGAIN . I did NOT apologize to the dentists, they apologized to me, they made an *honest* mistake and hit the wrong reply button and privately e-mailed me personally, and I kindly replied, unlike Joel who e-mailed me over and over until I blocked him. This is a warning to Joel, NO more lies, you will lose you yahoo account AGAIN. No Jan I am almost sure that you apologized to the dentists ....... about what you call lying ...... its a little presumptuous of you to believe that whatever your opinion is is TRUTH while everyone else's opinion is lying. Joel WRONG, Joel, YOU clearly are a L I A R. Do Prove it!! REPLY Do prove that you didn't. PS~ Do not send anyone your driver's license. It will not help. Joel You have that backwards, YOU made the claim. have already sent and received an automatic reply, with the below addition, so sincce you never learn this will ve sent also. Thanks for writing. X-Privat makes any effort to guarantee appropriate use of the service by its customers, and will take action against spammers and users that violate "netiquette". Feel free to send us further messages regarding violations made by X-Privat customers. Include in your message, at best, the header of message received Regards. X-Privat Staff LL/Jan One of the funniest (most pathetic) posts I have ever read! Why would ISP care about what one person or another thinks or says about amalgam? Joel First, you must check to make sure the patients > are not suffering from jandrewitis, that is a longstanding effect of too > much Applied Kinesiology. General Nutrition Centers (in the malls) sells worthless pills to people like Jan Drew heard that is true. Jan Drew had lots of gas. Come to think of it, she still has gas. But why does Jan Drew recommend coffee enemas? I still do not understand that. Another of Jan Drew's buddies stikes it BIG! I MEAN BIG! Jan Drew relocates to San Francisco ===================== ..... This should make it PERFECTLY CLEAR!!!! Warning: I really HATE IT when anybody disagrees with me! If I don't have any logic for a defense, I will THREATEN them and then I will have them thrown off the Internet! So don't agree with my opinions? You could be in real trouble -- I will complain to your ISP and get you OFF this group! Otherwise my only defense is to repeat LIAR LIAR LIAR. LL/Jans ROFLMAO! > This should make it PERFECTLY CLEAR!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > LL/Jans > This should make it PERFECTLY CLEAR!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > LL/Jans http://www.sradi.de/frauen_kopierer.jpg SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH |
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