From JREF
05-04-2001.htm
Reader Nick Gessler had this inquiry:
I was waiting at the pharmacy in Rite Aid (Los Angeles) to pick up a prescription, and was
shocked to find I was shoulder-to-shoulder with an aisle-end 6-foot high display of Boiron
Homeopathic Medicines. I decided to read the labels but could find no explanation of their
measurement of what they call their "active ingredients." Their "C" values were clear but not
explained. Could someone please explain again what the "C" values mean in terms of dilutions? Lots
of stuff at 6C and 30C. I asked the pharmacist (where did she get her working papers?) and she said
(quite sincerely I believe) that she didn't know anything about these measurements. I was amused
looking at their cough syrup's "Active ingredients" list and then comparing it to their "Inactive
ingredients" where I found "honey" listed. Seems to me they've got these categories reversed. Honey
therapy....
They say on their labels that their products conform to the "Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the
United States." Who publishes that tome? They give a toll-free number of 1-800-264-7661. Their
French website is http://www.boiron.fr/
Can someone give me a crash course on their measurement of dilutions so I can relate this to the
store manager? I know this was discussed before, but the calculation is still unclear to me...
I responded, and I'll share that with you all:
Nick: You will note asterisks (*) used in some of the following numbers. Their meaning will be made
clear.
The traditional method of making homeopathic dilutions is successively diluting the "active
ingredient" 1 to 10, and repeating. A one-in-ten dilution would be referred to as, "1X" but it is
NEVER used. Diluting one part of the 1X solution in 10 parts of water, would give
one-in-one-hundred, or a "2X" dilution. Thus, for example, a "6X" dilution has one part in 1,000,000
parts of water.
However, the more popular, "modern," method of diluting is to put one part into 100 parts of water
to get a "1C" solution, then proceeding as above. Diluting the 1C solution again, gives a "2C"
dilution, or one part in 10,000 parts of water. And, of course, a "3C" dilution is one in 1,000,000
parts of water. And so on.
Thus, your "6C" and "30C" dilutions that you inquired about, are respectively, one part in
1,000,000,000,000 parts of water, and one part in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,0*00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts of water.
Ah, but wait. We uninformed laymen might think that a 6C dilution is equal to a 12X dilution. Not
so, because they were made differently! The same amount of "active ingredient" is there (or not
there) but the therapeutic claims are not the same!
Because of this, most homeopathic preparations are made today in 10X,and 30X, and 100X "potencies"
for each ingredient! That means that part of the preparation has a concentration of one part of
"active ingredient" in 10,000,000,000, another part has a concentration of one part in
1,000,000,0*00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, and a third part has a concentration of one part in
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0*00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts of water!
Incredible, but true.
Of course, after 23 such dilutions (that position marked by an asterisk) there is only possibly one
atom/molecule of the "ingredient" present.... That's why arsenic, lead, and mercury are often used
as "active ingredients" in homeopathic preparations. They're simply not present!
--
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 17 May 2005 01:16 GMT
Excellent!
Thanks.
I looked but could not find the exact
formula but my thinking was pretty similar.
How do I know?
Hahnemann University was originally a
homeopathic hospital named after Samuel
Hahnemann. We have lots of that stuff
all around here.
Joel
> From JREF
> 05-04-2001.htm
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> 1,000,000,0*00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, and a third part has a concentration of one part in
> 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0*00,000,000,000,000,000,000
,000 parts of water!
> Incredible, but true.
>
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
carabelli - 17 May 2005 01:47 GMT
I still think, after reading the latest water analysis from the local water
district that I am now impervious to almost every element, compound and
molecule on earth. Thank you Water District One. I am slightly concerned
that Kryptonite was not listed though.
carabelli
Tony Bad - 17 May 2005 02:21 GMT
> I still think, after reading the latest water analysis from the local water
> district that I am now impervious to almost every element, compound and
> molecule on earth. Thank you Water District One. I am slightly concerned
> that Kryptonite was not listed though.
>
> carabelli
We seem to have an issue with pesticides in our water supply. I drink a lot
of extra water in the summer, and then save a ton on bug repellant.
T
W_B - 17 May 2005 16:10 GMT
>I still think, after reading the latest water analysis from the local water
>district that I am now impervious to almost every element, compound and
>molecule on earth. Thank you Water District One. I am slightly concerned
>that Kryptonite was not listed though.
>
>carabelli
Ahemm...
Superman, you cannot become impervious to Kryptonite.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 17 May 2005 14:13 GMT
Ahh......but the water 'remembers'.
;-)
Fawks
> Because of this, most homeopathic preparations are made today in 10X,and 30X, and 100X "potencies"
> for each ingredient! That means that part of the preparation has a concentration of one part of
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
carabelli - 17 May 2005 14:25 GMT
> Ahh......but the water 'remembers'.
Even if you put aluminum in it?
carabelli
W_B - 17 May 2005 16:53 GMT
>> Ahh......but the water 'remembers'.
>
>Even if you put aluminum in it?
>
>carabelli
Water even remembers that it was once part of
dinosaur urine.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 17 May 2005 17:23 GMT
To get really fresh water, just use my patented
fusion reactor. I get new water molecules instead
of those old recycled ones.
;-)
Fawks
> Water even remembers that it was once part of
> dinosaur urine.
> --
>
> W_B
W_B - 17 May 2005 17:38 GMT
Mr. Fusion ?
Am currently using the left over protons from Hg conversion
with some O2, in my fuel cell.
>To get really fresh water, just use my patented
>fusion reactor. I get new water molecules instead
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>>
>> W_B
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 17 May 2005 20:39 GMT
Waste not, want not.
Fawks
> Mr. Fusion ?
>
> Am currently using the left over protons from Hg conversion
> with some O2, in my fuel cell.
>>To get really fresh water, just use my patented
>>fusion reactor. I get new water molecules instead
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 17 May 2005 17:21 GMT
Als-the-heimers am I supposed to know?
Fawks
>>Ahh......but the water 'remembers'.
>
> Even if you put aluminum in it?
>
> carabelli