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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / May 2005Fuji 2
I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time 12 years ago. I was trying to figure out what I could use as crown buildup material and to block out undercuts in crown preps. They have Fuji 2 there in capsules. Not only do you triturate the stuff in an amalgamator but you also have to light cure it; sounds strange to me but anyway, is this stuff good for buildups; there weren't any inserts about it in the package? The other thing there was ketac. I heard one of the doctors would put the silver powder from an amalgam capsule in with the ketac to make buildup material; I was wondering if this was an accepted practice so I haven't done it myself until I could find more out about it. I wish they'd just order some miracle mix! Oh, and I've never done a veneer in my life but I've had to recement 2 of them since there; not too difficult though they're so darn tiny and fragile looking I'm afraid it'll go flying out of my fingers. But thing is, when I looked at them, I couldn't tell if there was cement still inside of it or if it was the veneer porcelain; any tips would be appreciated, and I don't mean from a moyel please, Joel. Seems my recementations went in ok. ares > I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time 12 > years ago. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > light cure it; sounds strange to me but anyway, is this stuff good for > buildups; there weren't any inserts about it in the package? YUP, okay by me. > The other thing there was ketac. I heard one of the doctors would put the > silver powder from an amalgam capsule in with the ketac to make buildup > material; I was wondering if this was an accepted practice so I haven't done > it myself until I could find more out about it. I wish they'd just order > some miracle mix! 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Seems my recementations went in ok. > ares > I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time 12 > years ago. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > from a moyel please, Joel. Seems my recementations went in ok. > ares Fuji is (IIRC) a glass ionomer. So is Ketac. They are pretty weak as core materials, though I have used Ketac-fill to block out defects in crown preps. Interesting thing about adding alloy to Ketac--I did use Ketac-silver for cores for a while maybe 15-20 years ago. It was supposed to be stronger than regular Ketac. Maybe it was, but it still wasn't too great. Yes, it's very appealing to have an adhesive core material that doesn't require bonding. I wonder if anyone has used any of the hybrid/compomer materials for cores. Steve  SignatureCut the nonsense to reply What's a core? Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Steve >What's a core? Left over after eating an apple ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com one of them nucular things in a nucular reactor. ares > >What's a core? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > What's a core? Oh, man--you blindsided me with that one!! Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Youse gotta keep ya guard up Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... >> What's a core? > > Oh, man--you blindsided me with that one!! > > Steve I checked Fuji 9 fuji 2 photo-core of kurarey ti-core Im using fuji 9 or photo-core mostly regards >> I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time >> 12 [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Steve >I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time 12 >years ago. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >light cure it; sounds strange to me but anyway, is this stuff good for >buildups; there weren't any inserts about it in the package? Have moved on to Fuji 9. Works great, I only use the light cure covering if using as a restoration. >The other thing there was ketac. I heard one of the doctors would put the >silver powder from an amalgam capsule in with the ketac to make buildup >material; I was wondering if this was an accepted practice so I haven't done >it myself until I could find more out about it. I wish they'd just order >some miracle mix! Give Fuji 9 a try. >Oh, and I've never done a veneer in my life but I've had to recement 2 of >them since there; not too difficult though they're so darn tiny and fragile [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >from a moyel please, Joel. Seems my recementations went in ok. >ares Am using Calibra, works great, light cure or dual cure, your choice. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time 12 > years ago. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > light cure it; sounds strange to me but anyway, is this stuff good for > buildups; there weren't any inserts about it in the package? IMO, Fuji 2 is only a liner, no more. It is not strong enough to be used as core material. As Krzysztof and W_B have said, Fuji 9 is promising as a build up material, and PhotoCore is the preferred material of Bondo-Da-Da Ray Bertolotti (FWIW). Also FWIW, Jeff Brucia (the most down-to-earth of the Modern Materials Gurus that I have seen to date) mentioned that all materials are tested against 3M-ESPE's Z-100 material. This is because it is the hardest composite that has been made to date. In JB's opinion, it is TOO hard for most applications. IMO, this makes it a good material for buildups and blocking out areas like you want to do. In spite of the 'what's a core?' response of DrS, _I_ would argue that the way he cements in a fiber post and then cements a CEREC onlay over it using Z-100 to become cement and filler material whereever it is needed, means that the Z-100 _becomes_ a core and undercut material. His success means that this material is reliable. I have used Z-100, and its posterior compo cousin P-60, as core materials with (so far) good success. Of course, you can't slop it on under an aluminum band all at once like you can a dual or auto cure material, but you can put allot on at one time and ramp cure it. > The other thing there was ketac. I heard one of the doctors would put the > silver powder from an amalgam capsule in with the ketac to make buildup [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > them since there; not too difficult though they're so darn tiny and fragile > looking I'm afraid it'll go flying out of my fingers. There must be some way to handle them using those sticky sticks (like Grabbits) so you can solidly scrape the interior of the veneer. I would contact (shudder....) Den Mat. This is because they have the longest track record for porcelain veneers in the industry. They make a good kit for anterior cementation >But thing is, when I > looked at them, I couldn't tell if there was cement still inside of it or if > it was the veneer porcelain; any tips would be appreciated, and I don't mean > from a moyel please, Joel. Seems my recementations went in ok. > ares Why did they fall off in the first place? Are they using silane on the porcelain? Your man for veneers is Alex Vasserman. Hope he chimes in. Cheers SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH There are two types of "sticks" available for holding small porcelain restorations prior to cementation. One has soft wax on the end, the other was a ball of sticky resin on the end. You try both and choose the one that works best in your hands. They are much cheaper than dropping a restoration on the floor. You clean the inner surface with an Adabrader or similar sand blasting device. >> I'm back to working part time in the office I used to work at full time >> 12 [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Cheers > SP |
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