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What is a ballpark cost these days for an upper denture? Are dentists who make dentures interested in the aesthetics of the denture, or only interested in making sure they fit in your mouth? In the past I've had two uppers made that look terrible and so I keep wearing my old ones that look good, but now fit terrible. How do you find someone who will work with you on how they look, besides a good fit? The cost for a complete denture ranges from $400 to $2000 here in Upstate NY, the low end being a same-day service clinic and the high the prosthodontists. And I wouldn't say that the low-cost ones are always of poor quality - there's a lot to be said for "economy" denture service, 'long as the quality doesn't suffer - but I will say that a lot of the low- cost services provide poor quality. If you're in an area where there are licensed Denturists, that may give you the best value for your money. A competent denture provider will always optimize the fit, and educate you on and provide good (hopefully natural) esthetics per your desires. > What is a ballpark cost these days for an upper denture? Medicaid pays dentists around $325. A decent but serviceable denture could be $500-$600 while a good one (better one) couild be $1,000. There is a guy at DentalTown who brags that he charges patients $10,000. Please remember this is all 95% workmanship and skill, not the actual cost of the product! From whatever you pay, the dentist pays a laboratory a portion of that to actually fabricate the denture. Joel > Are dentists who make dentures interested in the aesthetics of the denture, > or only interested in making sure they fit in your mouth? They better be interested in BOTH! Joel > In the past I've had two uppers made that look terrible and so I keep > wearing my old ones that look good, but now fit terrible. OKAY, what you need is a simple procedure known as "JUMPING THE CASE" which some dentists will DENY can be done! The dentist takes a rubber impression inside your old denture and ships it off to the lab. In three days what comes back? Your old teeth set in a completely new acrylic base! I like Lucitone 199 (formerly Luxene) as it is quite unbreakable! Joel http://www.altadonics.com/dental_pros_faq.shtml Question: This sounds like a "jump" denture. What makes the Assurance Denture service so different? Answer: "Jump" dentures only offer limited protection. What do you do when the denture is lost and you don't have anything to "jump"! The Assurance Denture service is not simply a denture duplicator, it is complete protection from loss. Here is a short list of some key benefits offered by the Assurance Denture service that a denture duplicator can't offer: Neither the patient nor the doctor have to store an extra denture More than one denture can be produced at any time in the future on an as needed basis without an extra patient visit. The Assurance Denture technique preserves the dimensional accuracy and surface integrity of the denture long-term by using a compound that is superior to alginate. Question: What are some of the benefits for my practice? Answer: The Assurance Denture service is: Profitable- By increasing the efficiency of your office the Assurance Denture service can increase your revenue per minute run rate up to four times over the process of making a replacement denture from scratch. Simple- No expensive hardware or equipment to buy or lengthy courses to attend. One inter-office training session and you are on your way! Clean- All of the components used in the process are provided in a self-contained kit. Nothing is needed out of you lab and no mess is left to clean up. Just add water! Now you can offer a replacement denture every 5 to 7 years like the ADA recommends without having to start over every time. To go through the complete 40 minute mould creation process and discover the many benefits of offering the Assurance Denture service through your office, please contact us to schedule your introductory meeting today! > How do you find someone who will work with you on how they look, besides a > good fit? I found this on the 'net: Jump Denture ... $400. Joel ** JUMP DENTURE Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth $400 Joel, You describe a re-base. A "jumped" denture is a complete duplicate with new teeth.  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> What is a ballpark cost these days for an upper denture? [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth > $400 > Joel, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- REPLY: I am missing something ..... here is what I wrote ...... > The dentist takes a rubber impression inside your old denture and ships it > off to the lab. In three days what comes back? Your old teeth set in a > completely new acrylic base! > > I like Lucitone 199 (formerly Luxene) as it is quite unbreakable! ************************************************************ > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. > Michigan, USA [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth > > $400 We always have referred to replacing all of the denture base with new acrylic while retaining the old teeth as a re-base. Jumping a denture duplicates the entire denture to give the patient a spare denture. I'll ask my Dad next call to Florida, perhaps I have the terminology (for "jump denture") wrong. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Joel, [quoted text clipped - 146 lines] >> > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth >> > $400 > We always have referred to replacing all of the denture base with new > acrylic while retaining the old teeth as a re-base. Jumping a denture [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -- REPLY Maybe ........ you could be right. Let's look into it and correct what may be my misperception (all these years!) What you call Jump Denture, I call spare denture or emergency denture. The teeth are not fabricated separately and will not withstand maticatory forces for a long time with regular every day usage. Its like the DONUT TIRE of the denture business. Its okay for emergencies but after 300 miles it shreds. Joel > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. [quoted text clipped - 157 lines] > >> > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth > >> > $400 I cannot find reference to the slang term "jump" in regards to denture fabrication among my printed references here. Unless I can support my opinion, I will defer to Joel and say he is right. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> We always have referred to replacing all of the denture base with new [quoted text clipped - 203 lines] >> >> > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth >> >> > $400 Rebase, reline, and duplication are the only terms I have ever heard or used (at least prior to hearing Joel speak of 'jumping'). That doesn't mean the term was never used or may still be used in some areas. JME, Fawks > I cannot find reference to the slang term "jump" in regards to denture > fabrication among my printed references here. Unless I can support my > opinion, I will defer to Joel and say he is right. Might be a Mid-West thing. Dad used to get "jump" cases written on Rx slips back in the early 1970's. I don't remember seeing it after that. It was mentioned in passing during dental school. As was the term "Stayplate" Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > > Rebase, reline, and duplication are the only terms I have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> fabrication among my printed references here. Unless I can support my >> opinion, I will defer to Joel and say he is right. >Might be a Mid-West thing. Dad used to get "jump" cases written on Rx slips >back in the early 1970's. I don't remember seeing it after that. It was >mentioned in passing during dental school. As was the term "Stayplate" partial stayplate; isn't that a flipper ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Flipper, wasn't he a dolphin? (Beat ya, Joel!) > Flipper, wasn't he a dolphin? (Beat ya, Joel!) Flapper (we heard this at SMD) because it makes a flapping sound as it moves in and out. > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com >>Might be a Mid-West thing. Dad used to get "jump" cases written on Rx slips >>back in the early 1970's. I don't remember seeing it after that. It was >>mentioned in passing during dental school. As was the term "Stayplate" > >partial stayplate; isn't that a flipper ? yes .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. > Might be a Mid-West thing. Dad used to get "jump" cases written on Rx slips > back in the early 1970's. I don't remember seeing it after that. It was > mentioned in passing during dental school. As was the term "Stayplate" > > -- How about a "WEDGE CASE?" This is not a wedgie. That is what you want to give the technician when the denture does not fit. Joel > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >> fabrication among my printed references here. Unless I can support my > >> opinion, I will defer to Joel and say he is right. "Jump" was used locally. More so when porcelain teeth were the norm. You jumped the teeth to a new base. Ergo, rebase. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | Might be a Mid-West thing. Dad used to get "jump" cases written on Rx slips | back in the early 1970's. I don't remember seeing it after that. It was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | >> fabrication among my printed references here. Unless I can support my | >> opinion, I will defer to Joel and say he is right. >"Jump" was used locally. More so when porcelain teeth were the norm. You jumped >the teeth to a new base. Ergo, rebase. Thanks Roy, that would mean Joel is right and I was wrong. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. > >"Jump" was used locally. More so when porcelain teeth were the norm. You jumped > >the teeth to a new base. Ergo, rebase. > > Thanks Roy, > > that would mean Joel is right and I was wrong. Either way, "jump" is an old historic term and has little meaning today. We either reline the denture, rebase the denture (variations or gradations of the same thing), or chuck the denture and make a new one! Joel > .. > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. > Troy, Michigan, USA > > I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. My Dad used to do this: If the patient really liked their old denture a lot, but needed a new one, the dentist would take a wash impression in the old denture. Dad would pour a model, then invest it in a duplicating jig. Sometimes skipping the model altogether. Then, return the denture to the dental office and patient. Dad would place brand new teeth of the same mould and shade and process the case. One impression, and he delivered a new dentures with same shade and shape teeth in the same exact set-up, except that it fit good. I was thinking of this when I mistakenly called it a "jump" case. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> >"Jump" was used locally. More so when porcelain teeth were the norm. You [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my > handwriting. > > I'll ask my Dad next call to Florida, perhaps I have the terminology (for > > "jump denture") wrong. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Joel Then you should be using heavy-duty ice and snow teeth instead of four season steel belted teeth in your replacement denture. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Personally, I think radial, steel-belted molars with a 40,000 chew warranty are the best. > Personally, I think radial, steel-belted molars with a 40,000 chew warranty > are the best. Mebby so.... Ah guess puttin' in re-treads would be the worst. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Hey, don't knock re-treads to harshly. I ran a set of mud-and-snow re-treads on that ancient JEEP I had for 12 years. I finally had to part with them due to dry-rotting of the side-walls. The treads were still holding up great. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Personally, I think radial, steel-belted molars with a 40,000 chew [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Mebby so.... Ah guess puttin' in re-treads would be the worst. > SP > Hey, don't knock re-treads to harshly. I ran a set of mud-and-snow > re-treads on that ancient JEEP I had for 12 years. I finally had to part > with them due to dry-rotting of the side-walls. The treads were still > holding up great. Twelve years.... Douze ans..... on a set of retread tires... Isn't that a tad 'Illegal'? Inquiring SP's want to know SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH I got rid of the little red Willys in 1986, so who knows? I don't recall ever having heard such a thing, but it is possible. Those old WW II era JEEPs did not go very fast. I never had it above 68 MPH (I don't think it would go an faster with the gearing it had). Perhaps a lot of 80 MPH driving would have heated up the tires enough for the retreads to begin to fail. Virtually all the miles I put on it were at 45 MPH or less. Plus, there is a huge difference in the quality of retreads depending on who does the vulcanizing. Just like with the old dentures. [It took me a while to get the dental connection going <VBG> ] Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen [What's a Temporary?], D.D.S. Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Hey, don't knock re-treads to harshly. I ran a set of mud-and-snow [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Inquiring SP's want to know > SP My brother is finishing a frame-up restoration of an 80's CJ7, gift to his 16 year old. I sat in it the other day and, except for xtra gears, I coulda been back in an M151A. Might be dangerous (sits high, wide open, dinky roll bar, looks like it likes to be driven sideways) as all get out (makes me clench*) but FUN! *lame attempt at dental connection >My brother is finishing a frame-up restoration of an 80's CJ7, gift to his >16 year old. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >*lame attempt at dental connection Back in the late 1970's, and early 1980's there was a stupid trend of shoving a big V8 into CJ-5 and CJ-7 JEEPS. Too much power for the chassis led to lots of upside down JEEPS. It gave them a bad name. My 50 HP CJ-2 never was overpowered. , .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. OKAY, this guy agrees with me ..... USING EXISTING TEETH for jump denture... "Family Dentist and MH Kaye Pavilion are home to health care, real ... ... JUMP DENTURE. Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth. $400. SUCTION CUP DENTURE. Add to new denture. $350. ADJUSTMENTS (after 30 days) ... www.italiancarsatpocono.com/dentserv.htm - 41k - Cached - Similar pages > We always have referred to replacing all of the denture base with new > acrylic while retaining the old teeth as a re-base. Jumping a denture [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] > >> > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth > >> > $400 There is very little reference either way .... "JUMP DENTURE" or "JUMPED DENTURE" is a term that is rarely used any more. Its like "SWAGED CROWN" I guess. No one knows or cares what that is! Joel JUST IN CASE ..... DEF. Form metals with a swage FAQ's DOC'S Best Red Copper Cement ... The oldest recorded patient with a gold swaged crown and Red Copper ... age 102 with the Red Copper cement exposed through her worn gold swaged crown. ... www.copalite.com/FAQ_re_ DOCS_BEST_CEMENT_and_COPALITE.htm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages > OKAY, this guy agrees with me ..... USING EXISTING TEETH for jump denture... > [quoted text clipped - 185 lines] > > >> > Replace all plastic, base only, use existing teeth > > >> > $400 I'm just an OF who's an ex-tech, but: A jump is a rebase, same teeth, new acrylic. "Duplicate denture" is the whole new shebang using the old CD as a matrix. Luxene was vinyl based. 199 (great stuff, it's what I use) is PMM. "From whatever you pay, the dentist pays a laboratory a portion of that to actually fabricate the denture." True of 99% of dentists, and nothing wrong with that, but my CDs get cooked in the basement. I thought Luxene IS Lucitone 199. New name ..... for old wine! (whine). The reason why I say this is that one repaired Luxene tooth pop offs with acrylic. Vinyl cannot be repaired with acrylic as we know with Valplast or Flexite dentures ..... Joel > I'm just an OF who's an ex-tech, but: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Joel This is one of those 'who gives a rat's a.s?' issues! And you may be right, but I'm just OC enough that I called the only dental tech in town I know who's been at it longer than I, and he also remembers it as a vinyl. But, like, who cares? I do remember using repair acrylic on it, which worked kinda farshtunken. The classy Yiddish was good for a laugh. (among the tears). Gail > Joel > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com > Joel > > This is one of those 'who gives a rat's a.s?' issues! REPLY Probably so! Joel > And you may be right, but I'm just OC enough that I called the only dental > tech in town I know who's been at it longer than I, and he also remembers [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com >True of 99% of dentists, and nothing >wrong with that, but my CDs get cooked in the basement. Used to cook mine at home in the kitchen but don't have time to do that now. Used to do the baseplates and set ups too. Long time ago. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Nice - dental artistry, arranging teeth....a dying art amongst dentists, you ask me, judging from the recent grads. Taught little or not at all in a lot of schools? Maybe it's for a lack of denture patients? And that's gotta be a good thing. Buuuuuut........ >Joel, > >You describe a re-base. > >A "jumped" denture is a complete duplicate with new teeth. We call that a 'skip-a-denture'. Impressions and jaw relations taken in the old set. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >What is a ballpark cost these days for an upper denture? >Are dentists who make dentures interested in the aesthetics of the denture, >or only interested in making sure they fit in your mouth? Fit, function, and esthetics are all part of good prosthetic treatment. > In the past I've had two uppers made that look terrible and so I keep >wearing my old ones that look good, but now fit terrible. > >How do you find someone who will work with you on how they look, besides a >good fit? Ask friends or go back to the doc who made the one you like. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Or bring both dentures. Say this is the last denture someone made that fits, but I don't wear it because I prefer the look of my old denture that does not fit well. Then ask if they can make a denture that fits as good as the new one and looks as good as the old one. Most times it is possible, sometimes you have to compromise. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | >What is a ballpark cost these days for an upper denture? | >Are dentists who make dentures interested in the aesthetics of the denture, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | Take out the G'RBAGE | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Thank you, I think that's what I'll do. The ones I don't like pull the middle of my upper lip up towards my nose. People said I looked like I smelled something bad. Don't want to go around looking like that! : Or bring both dentures. Say this is the last denture someone made that fits, but : I don't wear it because I prefer the look of my old denture that does not fit [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] : | Take out the G'RBAGE : | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Without seeing the denture, I know the flange is too high. Besides, there needs to be relief cut in the midline to allow the frenum to move freely. Joel > Thank you, I think that's what I'll do. The ones I don't like pull the > middle of my upper lip up towards my nose. People said I looked like I [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > : | Take out the G'RBAGE > : | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Thanks for that info - I will write it down and take it to whatever dentist I go to for my new dentures. : Without seeing the denture, I know the : flange is too high. Besides, there needs [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] : > : | Take out the G'RBAGE : > : | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Sadly, a 1975 study in New York State revealed that 75% of the medicaid patients who had replacement dentures constructed, went back to their old dentures! Try telling that to patients! Joel > Or bring both dentures. Say this is the last denture someone made that fits, but > I don't wear it because I prefer the look of my old denture that does not fit [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > | Take out the G'RBAGE > | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com |
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