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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / June 2005Proflex Dentures
Hi, I invented the Proflex Denture System, and have been developing it, with the help of dental Resources, for many years. I have developed a new base strengthner that will be out soon. The base is clear. I have read so of the comments here, so I thought I would chime in. So you know. Proflex can be relined, and works very much like acrylic. You can add to it, and if the patient is going to loose more teeth, Proflex is indicated. The new system will be flexible BUT not as flexible as the earlier appliances. I have been working to make the dentures stronger. I started working on flexible dentures not to fabricate partials, but to make FULL dentures. In some cases, proflex full dentures are like a miracle. They go into indurcuts. Something you might be interested in, is that, Proflex can be processed by packing or using the pour technique. Dental Resources will be introducing my "See Through" unilateral partial very soon. It is the most esthetic partial. in it's class, I personally have ever seen. If you have question, I'll check back in later. John Hello.and welcome! If you search www.deja.com you will find that I am our SMD Proflex guy right here at SMD! What does that mean? I am the guy who promoted this to patients! Yes, the Proflex is great in certain circumstances. Dental Resources is owned by Keystone Industries, if I am still current on this. One serious drawback to the Proflex system had been the deep red hue. Has that been corrected? Joel M. Eichen DDS Philadelphia PA > Hi, > I invented the Proflex Denture System, and have been developing it, with [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Okay, I just pulled up the website, and no, DR has not changed the deep red color. Joel http://www.dentalresourcesinc.com/dentures/dentures.jpg ** > Hi, > I invented the Proflex Denture System, and have been developing it, with [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Here's a link for background sources: http://www.dentalresourcesinc.com/proflex/proflex.htm Joel > Hi, > I invented the Proflex Denture System, and have been developing it, with [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Don't you ever sleep? Well thanks for the interesting heads-up. I, no joke, probably do more dentures than anyone else in my county. I didn't know about Proflex and I am very interested, particularly if it's a legitimate solution for inoperable, large undercuts. Silicones and plasticized acrylics work, of course, but they're a technical pain in the shorts. Methinks a homogeneous material might be a step up. Doctor, Quote: "One serious drawback to the Proflex system had been the deep red hue. Has that been corrected?" Joel M. Eichen DDS Philadelphia PA Are you looking at the picture on Dental Resources web site. It's aweful RED! At first we were using a material that had to be packed. e had a lot of trouble with it. I actually got to the point where I wanted to take the product off the market. We now use, and have used for about 5 years, NFC resin. It works like acrylic. I use it along side Lucitone all the time. I virtually never get complaints about the color any more. ALSO, like I said a clear base is coming. I will call Dental Resources monday. We will be changing the pictures on the web soon. Dr.Eichen, have we ever meet. We may have talked at a convention. I have been at the Chicago convention a few times. Do you want a sample of the new colors? John IN SHORT: The shades of NFC Resin are great. NOT RED! My dad was a dentist, and on the first day I was in his lab he told me "John, Dentistry teaches humility." He was right. God Bless, John My dad was also a dentist. At Penn we had instructors whose fathers and grandfathers were dentists. One guy, Dr. John Burkhardt practiced at 43rd Street near our school. One day Dr. Burkhardt brought in the inlay that his father installed in a patients tooth at the turn of the last century when cerre perdu was originally developed. We checked the margins and after some 60 years in the patient's mouth, they were quite perfect! As an aside, Queen Elizabeth was visiting the United States many years ago. When she developed some tooth problem, it was Dr. Burkhardt who was called upon to handle the emergency for this most famous patient! Joel > IN SHORT: > The shades of NFC Resin are great. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com > Doctor, > Quote: "One serious drawback to the Proflex system had been the deep red [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Are you looking at the picture on Dental Resources web site. It's awful > RED! At first we were using a material that had to be packed. We had a lot > of trouble with it. I actually got to the point where I wanted to take the > product off the market. REPLY Yeah. Doug Murphy called me about that after I brought it to the attention of the people at Keystone. But I never followed through to see what is going on with that. It is a definite drawback. Joel > We now use, and have used for about 5 years, NFC resin. It works like > acrylic. I use it along side Lucitone all the time. I virtually never get [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do you want a sample of the new colors? REPLY Thanks, but it will not help right now. I retired from practice around three years ago and was involved in some low level teaching. In Pennsylvania dental assistants can restore teeth (amalgam, composite, but NO DRILLING!). I taught there. Right now I am setting up a discount implant center, with the help of a few local specialists and dentists. We propose to use low-cost implants in conjunction with those impossible flat ridges for lower dentures ........ when we are set up, I will get back to you and perhaps we can do some business. Here is the business plan: http://joel2.3h.com/ The location is gone as we missed the lease. Someone else beat us to it! Here is the short version of what this is. The rest is at the freebie website. I use the freebie site for business development purposes. Joel Curtis Cental Affiliated Dental Specialists presents a unique opportunity for you, the suburban dental specialist. By participating with Curtis Center Affiliated Dental Specialists, you can gain a foothold in the lucrative and rewarding Center City dental marketplace. You are welcome to participate in our group practice through a unique practice-sharing arrangement. Patients like our unique approach, We provide excellence in treatment planning. We deliver excellence in dental care. There is an old addage, When the only tool that you own is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. This is particularly true in dentistry. As example, the dentist who is not comfortable nor particularly cognizant of implant dentistry may offer his patient a series of less-than-ideal treatment options. Enter Curtis Cental Affiliated Dental Specialists. > Our treatment is specialist-centric; > Our treatment plans are dentally agnostic; > We provide maximum options. > We facilitate superior dentistry. Our patients like our approach! It saves the patient time, trouble, and in many cases, it saves money. ETC~ETC~ETC Joel > John > > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com I made quite a lot pro-flex appliances.The colour is available in 4 kinds.It isnt deep red.Its possible to make light similar to lusitone 199 I put the pictures on gallery www.valplast.pl regards > Doctor, > Quote: "One serious drawback to the Proflex system had been the deep red [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > John Re: Proflex Dentures I was flabbergasted and greatly humbled by your dental talent and your computer talent! Here we have been sharing ideas for a number of years, and I had no idea that you are so talented. This is a great object lesson for us! I grabbed a screen shot for anyone who wants a quick peek as to what you have accomplished! Joel SCREENSHOT [IMG]http://tinypic.com/4pypsy[/IMG] http://tinypic.com/4pypsy > I made quite a lot pro-flex appliances.The colour is available in 4 kinds.It > isnt deep red.Its possible to make light similar to lusitone 199 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > -- > > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Very astute observation ........ when I was in research I developed the habit (bad, good - ?) of getting up at 4am. Proflex's main advantage as far as I see it, is the slightly flexible base which mimics the old Vulcanite denture bases of years ago. I believe, without scientific proof, that this preserves the alveolus compared to a hard, unyielding acrylic base. I had presented this to Keystone Industries as a good research avenue, but they are currently overwhelmed with too many other product-oriented projects. They are a huge dental manufacturer (mouthguards, vacuum devices, actually everything) plus they hold the patents on the nail dryers that you see in so many nail shops these days. Their headquarters is right up the street from me .... well up the street and across the river ...... in New Jersey. Joel! > Don't you ever sleep? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Dad and Gramps were both dentists....Do I win something? Low-cost implants - that rocks! You must tell me how it pans out. Dad was the first DDS in town who, in conjunction with the Univ. of Rochester Dental Dept., started a reduced-fee denture service ('bout 30 y. ago). You can imagine the flak he caught from the constituency. Anyway, his passion for helping out those who cannot afford has always inspired me. And you sound pretty inspiring yourself. I think I'm learning more in this forum than in the last 5 or 6 CE courses. > Dad and Gramps were both dentists....Do I win something? > > Low-cost implants - that rocks! You must tell me how it pans out. Dad was > the first DDS in town who, in conjunction with the Univ. of Rochester > Dental Dept., started a reduced-fee denture service ('bout 30 y. ago). You > can imagine the flak he caught from the constituency. SOME TRIVIA: What discovery at the Eastman Dental Center (formerly Dental Dispensary) altered dentistry the most during the past 20 years? ANSWER BELOW: HERE Cosmetic Dentistry! 1: J Dent Res. 1996 Jan;75(1):529-34. Related Articles, Links Michael Buonocore and the Eastman Dental Center: a historic perspective on sealants. Handelman SL, Shey Z. Dr. Michael Buonocore is known for his innovative research on the preparation of the enamel surface with a weak acid to enhance adhesion of an organic plastic chemical sealant and the polymerization in situ of a sealant with ultraviolet light. His co-workers at Eastman Dental Center aided and extended his research findings. The purpose of his original research was the development of a sealant to prevent occlusal caries on posterior teeth. However, the major impact of his work has been the development of adhesive restorative techniques. Although it has been demonstrated that (i) bacteria tend to die out and caries does not progress if early caries lesions are inadvertently sealed, (ii) sealant retention rates are favorable, and (iii) sealants are cost-effective, the use of sealants by the profession is still far short of early expectations. Publication Types: a.. Biography b.. Historical Article Personal Name as Subject: a.. Buonocore M PMID: 8655756 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/dentistry/aboutus/history_chrono.cfm History/ Chronology Early Years | Middle Years | Recent Years | Future | Dentistry Archives Letter to the Trustees of the Rochester Dental Dispensary (June 25, 1920): "The main object in mind when the Dispensary was founded was the care of teeth of children in Rochester and its vicinity... When the Dispensary was founded I did not foresee that it might have an opportunity to become a part of a great project for a higher grade of dental education than had before been attempted..." George Eastman The early years: the tradition of education and research is established. 1892 The first free dental clinic in the United States is established in the City Hospital but lapses after two years. 1905 The Dental Dispensary is opened by the Seventh District Dental Society Of New York in conjunction with the Rochester Public Health Association at the Rochester Public Health Association's building on 32 South Washington Street. Captain Henry Lomb of Bausch and Lomb donates $600 to the Society. 1910 Leading dentists of the day re-establish the dental clinic at No. 14 School. 1915 George Eastman donates the funds on October 13 to build the Rochester Dental Dispensary. 1916 Frank Ritter's daughters donate the Dispensary equipment. The Dispensary establishes the Rochester School of Dental Hygiene. Dr. Rudolph Hofheinz, Captain Lomb's dentist, is named principal of the Dental Hygiene School, but dies suddenly. Mrs. Rudolf Hofheinz donates the laboratory equipment in her husband's memory. Dr. Harvey J. Burkhart is named first Dispensary director and becomes principal of the Dental Hygiene School. 1917 First graduates of Dental Hygiene School are awarded diplomas in January. Rochester Dental Dispensary is dedicated May 9 and opens October 15. 1919 The Dispensary's Tonsil-Adenoid Clinic opens. George Eastman provides an additional endowment of 1000 shares of Kodak common stock to support the treatment of nose and throat ailments and orthodontics. 1920 Eastman gives $4 million to match $5 million grant by John D. Rockefeller, Jr., making possible the University of Rochester's School of Medicine and Dentistry. A plan to develop the School of Medicine and Dentistry in connection with the University of Rochester (UR) is announced. 1928 Plans for the dental component of the School of Medicine and Dentistry in cooperation with the Dispensary are abandoned for lack of student interest. The University of Rochester Dental Fellows Program is developed. 1929 The Rockefeller Foundation provides fellowships to the UR to support dental research and training in the fundamental biological background underlying dental health problems. A consultation dental clinic is established in Strong Memorial Hospital's out-patient department. 1930 Eastman Dental Institute in London is formally dedicated on November 19. Eastman dental dispensaries are built in Stockholm, Paris, London, Rome, and Brussels. 1932 George Eastman dies at age 77 and bequeaths another million dollars to the Rochester Dental Dispensary. 1933 The Eastman Dental Clinic of Rome is dedicated April 21. 1935 The Brussels Clinic is dedicated July 31. 1936 The Stockholm Clinic is dedicated April 25. 1937 The Paris Clinic is dedicated October 21. 1941 The Rochester institution is renamed Eastman Dental Dispensary on June 24. 1946 Dr. Harvey J. Burkhart dies at the age of 82. The middle years: Eastman Dental Center and the University of Rochester are regarded as the cradle of dental academia; sealant research revolutionizes restorative dentistry. 1947 Dr. Basil G. Bibby is named director of Eastman Dental Dispensary. 1951 A master of science program with a major in dental science is established at the UR School of Medicine and Dentistry (SMD) in cooperation with the Dispensary. 1955 The Department of Dentistry and Dental Research is created at the UR SMD. 1963 American Dental Association (ADA) approves Dental Dispensary intern rotations through The Genesee Hospital. 1964 Administration of the Dispensary's School for Dental Hygienists is transferred to Monroe Community College. Dedication of the Dispensary's new wing provides for an expanded program of dental research. 1965 Name of Dispensary is changed to Eastman Dental Center (EDC). 1967 Dr. Michael Buonocore describes a process for enhancing the adhesion of plastics to teeth, thus ushering in the modern era of restorative dentistry. 1968 The Rochester Neighborhood Health Center, under UR auspices, is opened in Hanover Houses with three dentists on staff who hold appointments at Eastman Dental Center or the UR. 1969 Formal affiliation between The Genesee Hospital's dental department and the UR SMD takes place. The American Dental Association approves a three-year oral surgery program, jointly developed with the school and The Genesee Hospital. Recent years: a new building and a closer relationship with the University of Rochester are established. 1970 Dr. William D. McHugh is named third director of the Eastman Dental Center when Dr. Bibby retires from his administrative duties to devote his time to research. 1971 A clinical teacher training program is initiated between the UR and EDC with the objective of training the highest quality of dental teachers and researchers. 1972 The Department of Dentistry and Dental Research is renamed the Department of Dental Research and a new Department of Clinical Dentistry of the UR SMD is created. 1973 A formal affiliation between The Genesee Hospital's dental department and EDC takes place. 1976 Ground is broken for the new building which is adjacent to the University of Rochester Medical Center. 1978 The new Eastman Dental Center at 625 Elmwood Avenue is dedicated on October 26. 1992 Dr. McHugh retires and Dr. Dennis H. Leverett is named acting director of Eastman Dental Center. 1994 Dr. Ronald J. Billings is named the fourth director of the Eastman Dental Center. 1996 Eastman Dental Center and the University of Rochester agree to merge. Future years: Eastman Dental Center and the University of Rochester become partners in the provision of oral health care, graduate education, and research. 1997 EDC and the UR merge thus becoming partners in the provision of oral health care, graduate education, and research. EDC is to be known as the University of Rochester Eastman Dental Center, a division of the University of Rochester Medical Center. 1998 The Eastman Department of Dentistry and the Center for Oral Biology are founded. Dr. Cyril Meyerowitz is named the chair of the Eastman Department of Dentistry of the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry. Dr. Ronald Billings becomes director emeritus of Eastman Dental Center. 1999 Dr. Meyerowitz is named director of Eastman Dental Center in January. More Dental Center History in the Eastman Dental Center Archives at Bibby Library Dentistry questions? Contact Us Search the Dentistry Site > Anyway, his passion for helping out those who cannot afford has always > inspired me. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Shucks Joel, you've done a better promo for my (1/2-time) employer better than I ever could! Dad knew Mike Buonocore pretty well. Few people appreciate what he did. And EDC is a pretty neat place. We have our problems....but as former faculty, I know you know all about politics and budget lines! Stan Handelman is a good friend of mine. I'm his dentist. Oops, not very HIPPA of me. Thanks, there is an old philosophy around here ,,,,,,,, cities and regions of the country formerly would compete with one another to create better products so that those products, sold world-wide could bring profits back home. In the case of Rochester, let's name Bausch and Lomb (lenses), Eastman Kodak (film, processing, and cameras), Xerox (photo copiers), and Ritter (dental manufacturing). Therefore Rochester was a fairly properous community with decent community values. FAST FORWARD thirty or fifty years. Today, we are the servants of others. We stand by with out palms outstretched while visitors Ride The Ducks around the Liberty Bell, while others serve in restaurants. Wal-Mart generates profits by paying employees a NON-living wage plus a stock option that may or may not pay off, all the while sending those profits right back to Arkansas. This is not good for dentistry. Oh, its okay in the short run, until all the big shots have all their teeth whitened and bleached to all get out. In the long run the waiters and waitresses, the Wal-Mart gang, well they will come up short. Joel > Shucks Joel, you've done a better promo for my (1/2-time) employer better > than I ever could! Dad knew Mike Buonocore pretty well. Few people [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com One of the problems We had with proflex was temperature Its 53Celsjius and bonding agend. Its difficoult for some technicians to keep staedy rules > Thanks, there is an old philosophy around here ,,,,,,,, cities and > regions [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> -- >> Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Hi, QUOTE: 25 Apr 2005 08:23 Krzysztof Polanowski One of the problems We had with proflex was temperature Its 53Celsjius and bonding agend. Its difficoult for some technicians to keep staedy rules You write "We Had." oes that mean that you don't use Proflex any more? HERE IS WHAT I DO: I run the tap water until it is good and hot. I put the case, (if it's a repair / a pour process) into a pressure pot. I allow it to set for about 30 minutes. If I pack the case it put it into a sink full of hot water. Bonding agent: I paint the teeth with bonding agent three times, CAREFULLY. I paint the strengthner once, making sure to paint the whole surface. The trick is not to paint the teeth and strengthner and then let them set. I pour or pack right away. When packing you need to time more carefully. TRUE STATMENT: In the past two to three years I have not had any teeth pop out of a Proflex appliance. I'm sure it will happen, BUT it has not been a problem. I am coming out with a new CD. I will address this question in more detail. In a couple of week call dental resources and they will send you one. I am a dental technician, andv I work too hard to be having problems with technigue. I have made Proflex relativly simple. Proflex works, pretty much, like acrylic. Please let me know if you have questions. John Hi Again, I am new here, how do you open up all the threads / find this thread when it's not listed on the home page. I tried a search but it didn't show this thread. God Bless, John MedKB is tricky! If you are using MedKB, the best ticket is to go to www.deja.com and type in sci.med.dentistry. Then sort by date. This is everything. MedKB pulls the NNTP feed (sci.med.dentistry is NNTP) then massages it, by eliminating what they feel is extraneous. They are creating one of those PG-13 rated versions of Saturday Night Fever to sell tickets to the pre-schoolers! They are bowdlerizing Shakespeare! As you can tell I am against that. Better yet, get Forte FREE agent which is free is you can resist all the sales pitches, then pull the feed from your ISP providing the ISP hosts it. Joel MedKB is a nntp -> http gateway. But their filters do the dirty work. . > Hi Again, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Another solution is Microsoft Outhouse (Outlook). It works and its not bad. My ISP has no newsgroups so I am stuck here. Joel > MedKB is tricky! > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > -- > > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com Just click the group link on the left panel. > Just click the group link on the left panel. > > -- > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com REPLY Sergey, Is that at MedKB? Joel Its easy to mopen www.valplast.pl Your explorer ought to have flash-- > Hi Again, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > God Bless, > John no we are using :)) > Hi, > QUOTE: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > John I will be gratefull for this new CD I hadnt problem with teeth falling out but I collected info.. I think so some technicians wanted to spare money mixing NFC with acrylic or apply bonding agent unproperly or using to less NFC regards > no we are using :)) >> Hi, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> John >Their headquarters is right up the street from me .... well up the street >and across the river ...... in New Jersey. > >Joel! Over the river, and through the woods ... ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >Their headquarters is right up the street from me .... well up the street > >and across the river ...... in New Jersey. > > > >Joel! > > Over the river, and through the woods ... ? REPLY Scary woods too .... Camden NJ! The number one crime town in the US! > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com ><joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Scary woods too .... Camden NJ! >The number one crime town in the US! My sister was born there. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > ><joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > My sister was born there. > -- REPLY It used to be a lovely place. There was lots on great industry there, Campbell's Soup, RCA Victor, UNIVAC Corp., etc. Joel > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com | >Their headquarters is right up the street from me .... well up the street | >and across the river ...... in New Jersey. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | Over the river, and through the woods ... ? | -- Over the hill and far away. Classic tune. Used to be able to play it in my wannabe days. Hey Roy If you can pull off Zeppelin, my hat is off to you big time. That was your remark about Who lyrics too, as I recall, makes me think that you, too, are a Rock n Roll survivor. I am still in an active band, go figure. My dad always said you're never too old to play the music you grew up with. We're not bad, we cover Fab Four, Stones, Ronstadt etc. We actually gigged the Dental Society Holiday Party in December; shows how the dentist demographic is changing (used to always be lounge music!) I will say the docs know how to party. Two of the guys in my band are CDTs; when we started 9 years ago we called ourselves the "Lab Rats" (have changed it since for marketing reasons). I'm the bassist. We should jam. "Many dreams come true and some have silver linings. I live for my dream and a pocketful of gold." Type III gold, y'think? Rock on Charlie I realized I wasn't alone when ZZ Top, Zeppelin, and Hendrix started being used on TV ads. I can't play or sing a lick, but I can turn it up and listen just fine. :-) Fawks > If you can pull off Zeppelin, my hat is off to you big time. That was your > remark about Who lyrics too, as I recall, makes me think that you, too, are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Party in December; shows how the dentist demographic is changing (used to > always be lounge music!) I will say the docs know how to party. > Rock on > > Charlie Wasn't it Alice Cooper used to attack his entourage of giant, dancing teeth with a huge toothbrush? Thanks Charlie, you are observant. Not sure what happened but your post was not on my server, only Fawks reply.  SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | I realized I wasn't alone when ZZ Top, Zeppelin, and Hendrix started | being used on TV ads. I can't play or sing a lick, but I can turn it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | > | > Charlie Hi What about this new Cd of pro-flex ? and what is a trick to have good looking pro-flex denture for long time ? regards K.P > Don't you ever sleep? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > homogeneous > material might be a step up. |
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