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Charlie Oster - 22 Apr 2005 11:19 GMT
Is it OK if I post something like this here?

The Mrs. & I are coming up on our 30th & we want to take the kids (aged 24
& 26) somewhere we'll all enjoy ourselves for 4-7 days.

And I don't know where to go!  Haven't done the family vaca. thing since
they were teenagers.  I need a place that would be fun for young adults who
like clubbing, water sports, shopping, maybe a casino,.

Maybe we should go back to Orlando?  Always fun, but been 3 times.  I've
heard Cape May or Vegas?  Cozumel?

I am so resort-ignorant.  I was thinking 4-5 day cruise, but we're going in
August and my wife checked the Caribbean storm patterns of the last 5
years.....so I think we're not doing that.

Any advice most appreciated!

Charlie
carabelli - 22 Apr 2005 12:58 GMT
> Is it OK if I post something like this here?
>
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> they were teenagers.  I need a place that would be fun for young adults who
> like clubbing, water sports, shopping, maybe a casino,.

Playa Del Carmen (45 minute ride south of Cancun) - the Playacar development
there has some great adult only resorts.

carabelli
Charlie Oster - 22 Apr 2005 13:27 GMT
Thanks!  Gonna look into it.
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Apr 2005 13:29 GMT
Carabelli would recommend Hawai'i except
the last trip there was by car.

Joel

> > Is it OK if I post something like this here?
> >
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>
> carabelli
Shyster - 23 Apr 2005 08:11 GMT
The Museum of Dentistry in Podunk, USA

> Carabelli would recommend Hawai'i except
> the last trip there was by car.
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> >
> > carabelli
Vaughn - 23 Apr 2005 12:49 GMT
> The Museum of Dentistry in Podunk, USA

    If you had a REAL life, you would not have to make things up.

    How about a real museum in a tiny dead town (Mulberry, FL) in the middle of
nowhere that is dedicated to fertilizer?  Yes!  Don't pass up the Phosphate
Museum, a mere 90 minutes drive from Disney World (if you don't get lost).
http://www.mulberrychamber.org/phosmuseum.asp

Vaughn

W_B - 22 Apr 2005 16:08 GMT
>> Is it OK if I post something like this here?
>>
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>
>carabelli

There's always Cabo...
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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carabelli - 22 Apr 2005 16:12 GMT
> >> Is it OK if I post something like this here?
> >>
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> There's always Cabo...
> --

Cabo and Atlantis?  $$, oh sorry these were "continuing ed". trips -
nevermind

carabelli
W_B - 22 Apr 2005 16:25 GMT
>Cabo and Atlantis?  $$, oh sorry these were "continuing ed". trips -
>nevermind
>
>carabelli

If you are a sub-S, you can have your corporate meetings anywhere.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Dr. Steve - 23 Apr 2005 15:35 GMT
>> Is it OK if I post something like this here?
>>
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>
>carabelli

I agree.

Avoid Avalon Resorts

The GALA is nice.

A little further down is the BAHIA, wonderful place.
..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Sdores - 22 Apr 2005 13:33 GMT
The cruises out of South FL are wonderful, and even though it is hurricane
season the ships have alternate routes and even islands to go around and get
away from the path of any storms coming.  I've had a couple times, like a
couple years ago, that we had to leave Mexico a few hours early to stay
ahead of the hurricane.  We just spent more time on the ship doing the
activities on the ship.  The cruise line definitely know the Atlantic storms
well and work around mother nature gracefully.  UM MOM Susan
> Is it OK if I post something like this here?
>
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>
> Charlie
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Apr 2005 13:46 GMT
> The cruises out of South FL are wonderful, and even though it is hurricane
> season the ships have alternate routes and even islands to go around and get
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> well and work around mother nature gracefully.  UM MOM Susan
> > Is it OK if I post something like this here?

REPLY

Excepting for this of course!

Joel

Cruise ship back in N.Y. after being damaged by huge wave
NEW YORK (AP) - Passengers disembarking Monday from a cruise ship that was
struck by a freak seven-story-high wave said the stormy weather that smashed
windows and sent furniture flying reminded them of the Titanic.

 The Norwegian Dawn, on calmer seas.

The Norwegian Dawn arrived with more than 2,000 passengers still on board
after some 300 others decided to leave the ship early in Charleston, S.C.,
and fly or drive home. It docked on Manhattan's West Side, near the floating
Intrepid Sea Air Space Museum.

The 965-foot white ocean liner was sailing back to New York from the Bahamas
on Saturday when a storm pounded the vessel with heavy seas, including a
rogue 70-foot wave. The wave sent furniture sailing through the air and
knocked hot tubs overboard. Some passengers slept in hallways in life
jackets.

Passenger Robert Clark said he was trying not to be angry about the cruise
but had one question: "Why would you go through a storm?"

Clark, a New Yorker who disembarked with his wife, Estelita Villafane, and
their 7-year-old daughter, Myah, said the storm "woke me up. ... We were
going back and forth, up and down. And then 'boom!'"

He said he ran into the corridor and found passengers from flooded cabins
who were wearing life preservers.

"It looked like the Titanic," Clark said. "That was what was going through
my head."

Norwegian Cruise Line said the freak wave broke windows in two different
cabins. It said 62 cabins were flooded and four passengers had cuts and
bruises. The wave reached as high as deck 10, company spokeswoman Susan
Robison said Sunday.

The Norwegian Dawn docked at Charleston for repairs and a Coast Guard
inspection before continuing its voyage to New York early Sunday.

Bill and Ellen Tesauro of Wayne, N.J., said they went to the ship's casino
when the storm started slamming the vessel.

"We figured it would take our minds off this (and) that's when the captain
announced that drinks are free all night," Bill Tesauro told the Daily News
of New York. "But then there was another horrendous slap on the water."

The panicked couple returned to their suite.

"A desk went flying across the room," Ellen Tesauro said. "And a glass table
toppled down, with glasses and food on it."

Stacy Maryland of Hamilton, N.J., woke up to find shoes and magazines
floating in a foot of water.

"I thought I heard water sloshing around, and then I woke up and saw it, and
it was surreal," she told the newspaper.

The cruise line said passengers whose cabins were flooded were flown home
from Charleston and the safety of the ship "was in no way compromised by
this incident."

Each passenger got a refund of half the trip's cost and a voucher for half
the price of a future cruise, Robison said.

The ship left New York on April 10 with 2,500 passengers aboard. Robison
said about 300 passengers decided not to return by ship from Charleston.
About 100 were flown back to New York and the rest made their own
arrangements, Robison said.

"I rented a car and drove nine hours," said James Fraley of Keansburg, N.J.,
who was taking a honeymoon cruise with his wife. "No more time on the
Titanic for me."

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> > The Mrs. & I are coming up on our 30th & we want to take the kids (aged 24
> > & 26) somewhere we'll all enjoy ourselves for 4-7 days.
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> > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com
Charlie Oster - 22 Apr 2005 16:43 GMT
Shucks Joel, you always know how to say the right thing.

I WANT to take the cruise.
Sdores - 22 Apr 2005 18:07 GMT
Joel I knew you were going to bring that one up! LOL!  I haven't had a
problem here in the half a dozen years we have been cruising.  It's worth
it, it's a fun trip!  UM MOM Susan

>> The cruises out of South FL are wonderful, and even though it is
>> hurricane
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>> > --
>> > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Apr 2005 19:32 GMT
> Joel I knew you were going to bring that one up! LOL!  I haven't had a
> problem here in the half a dozen years we have been cruising.  It's worth
> it, it's a fun trip!  UM MOM Susan

REPLY:

Me too but I always bring all my own food along!

Joel

(kidding ~ whenever I bring all my own food,
everyone is knocking at my door for some snacks.)

> >> The cruises out of South FL are wonderful, and even though it is
> >> hurricane
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> >> > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com
Charlie Oster - 22 Apr 2005 21:22 GMT
Hey Sue

Which cruises, which lines?
Vaughn - 22 Apr 2005 22:18 GMT
> Hey Sue
>
> Which cruises, which lines?

    You won't go wrong with Royal Caribbean, but there are other good lines.
Check with the cruise section of southwest.com, highly recommended by Frommer's
in a recent article.

Vaughn
Sdores - 22 Apr 2005 22:22 GMT
I'd have to say the best cruise for a decent price is the 7 day cruise on
the Celebrity Century cruise ship.  We have taken that cruise ship three
times to both sides of the Caribbean with wonderful trips.  We usually go
around the fourth of July weekend so that there are extra days to rest up
for my husband before going back to work.  Remember these are party ships
and things are going on all day and night, the food is awesome even for me
with crohn's they made sure that things I can't eat weren't served to me.
UM MOM Susan
> Hey Sue
>
> Which cruises, which lines?
Dr. Steve - 23 Apr 2005 15:38 GMT
I find I spend a lot of time waiting for elevators on a Cruise Ship. I
prefer resorts.

'On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:07:06 -0400, "Sdores" <sdores@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>Joel I knew you were going to bring that one up! LOL!  I haven't had a
>problem here in the half a dozen years we have been cruising.  It's worth
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>>> > --
>>> > Message posted via http://www.medkb.com

..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Vaughn Simon - 22 Apr 2005 15:54 GMT
> The cruises out of South FL are wonderful, and even though it is hurricane
> season the ships have alternate routes and even islands to go around and get
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> activities on the ship.  The cruise line definitely know the Atlantic storms
> well and work around mother nature gracefully.

    I agree with Susan.  We did a hurricane season cruise once, and they
adjusted the schedule to keep us out of the storms.  We never made it to
Mexico, but the cruise is more important than the destination.

    It is also hard to beat Vegas.  It is cheap, there is lots to do, and
there are no hurricanes.  Northern California is also nice.  In a few days
you can do San Francisco, Napa and Sonoma wine country, a bit of the coastal
highway, and perhaps Tahoe/Reno.

Vaughn
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Apr 2005 19:33 GMT
> > The cruises out of South FL are wonderful, and even though it is hurricane
> > season the ships have alternate routes and even islands to go around and
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>      It is also hard to beat Vegas.  It is cheap, there is lots to do, and
> there are no hurricanes.

REPLY

Okay but where do the cruise ships dock out there?

Joel

>Northern California is also nice.  In a few days
> you can do San Francisco, Napa and Sonoma wine country, a bit of the coastal
> highway, and perhaps Tahoe/Reno.
>
> Vaughn
Vaughn - 23 Apr 2005 02:21 GMT
>>      It is also hard to beat Vegas.  It is cheap, there is lots to do, and
>> there are no hurricanes.
>
> REPLY
>
> Okay but where do the cruise ships dock out there?

    There is plenty of room out in the desert.

Vaughn
W_B - 22 Apr 2005 16:02 GMT
>Is it OK if I post something like this here?
>
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>
>Charlie

Atlantis, Paradise Island, Bahamas
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Vaughn Simon - 22 Apr 2005 17:16 GMT
> Atlantis, Paradise Island, Bahamas

    I admit, I have never been to the Atlantis resort, but the next time my
cruise ship docks in the Bahamas, I won't bother to get off.  Like I said,
it is the cruise, not the destination...

Vaughn
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Apr 2005 19:33 GMT
> > Atlantis, Paradise Island, Bahamas
>
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>
> Vaughn

Atlantis? That sunk a long time ago, right?

Joel
Vaughn - 23 Apr 2005 02:19 GMT
> Atlantis? That sunk a long time ago, right?

    That is why you need a cruise ship to get there.

Vaughn
Charlie Oster - 23 Apr 2005 12:54 GMT
This post has been immensely helpful.  Go figure?  Thanks one and all, you
guys rock.  I am going to lobby for the cruise.
Sdores - 23 Apr 2005 14:08 GMT
Have fun!  UM MOM Susan
> This post has been immensely helpful.  Go figure?  Thanks one and all, you
> guys rock.  I am going to lobby for the cruise.
carabelli - 24 Apr 2005 07:19 GMT
> This post has been immensely helpful.  Go figure?  Thanks one and all, you
> guys rock.  I am going to lobby for the cruise.

I'm guessing that you have been on cruises before and enjoyed it.  I would
like to try one but- don't want to be regimented into -  we are going here
today, be back on board by x o'clock.  OTOH, I have been to all inclusives
that we never left the grounds and were quite content..  I guess I'm not
wanting to be told to be somewhere at  this time or you are SOL.  I have
never worn a watch in my life, and certainly don't want to on vacation.

carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Apr 2005 11:01 GMT
Interesting background piece in today's Inquirer:

     Posted on Sun, Apr. 24, 2005

                        R E L A T E D   L I N K S
                        .  On the Web | CruisePhilly

     Cruise business booms in Philadelphia

     By Tom Belden

     Inquirer Staff Writer

     A record number of people who want a relaxing vacation without
boarding another packed airplane will head south this year - to South
Philadelphia and the city's thriving cruise terminal at the former
Philadelphia Naval Shipyard.

     More than 92,000 travelers - 50 percent more than last year - are
expected to board ships at the Cruise Terminal at Pier 1 this year, starting
with the season's first departure today by the Norwegian Crown on a
seven-day voyage to Bermuda.

     "People love it," Arlene Blosch, owner of the Travel Wizards agency in
Bensalem, said of Philadelphia's rising importance as a "home port" where
cruise lines base ships for a season.

     "They don't have to get on an airplane ... dealing with the crowds,
the luggage hassles, where they're treated like cattle."

     Philadelphia is cashing in on a post-9/11 move by cruise lines to base
ships at ports outside Florida, so passengers don't have to fly to a distant
city to start their vacations. The ships that will use Philadelphia as a
home port this season will start cruises from other cities in the Northeast,
including Baltimore, Boston and New York, when they are not here.

     Cruising from Philadelphia has become so popular that there is concern
the terminal at the former Navy Yard will soon run out of room to handle
more passengers.

     The companies that will base ships here for the season - Norwegian
Cruise Line, Celebrity Cruise Lines and Royal Caribbean International - have
scheduled a record 32 trips from the terminal through late October. Last
year, 65,000 passengers embarked on 22 cruises. Ships operated by three
other cruise lines are scheduled to make port calls at the terminal during
the season.

     Having ships within driving distance of a port "takes air travel out
of the equation, which cuts the time and lowers the cost of the cruise,"
said Adam Goldstein, president of Royal Caribbean, which is based in Miami.
"And the Philadelphia area is within four or five hours of a big percentage
of the country's population."

     Bensalem retiree John Ward sailed with his wife, Joanne, on
Celebrity's Horizon last summer and plans to cruise to Canada from
Philadelphia in August. "We were surprised at how fast we got down to the
ship and how fast we got out when we got back... . And we saved almost $500
on the airfare."

     Last week, the Delaware River Port Authority said it would spend
$145,000 studying ways to continue attracting cruise ships and determine
whether the seven-year-old terminal should be expanded or moved elsewhere on
the Delaware River to help the business grow.

     "We want to stay in the cruise business, and our plan is to keep it
here," port authority chief executive John Matheussen said last week during
a walking tour of the $15 million terminal and cruise ship pier. The
terminal is in a 130-year-old former Navy machine shop at the foot of
tree-lined South Broad Street.

     Matheussen said the facilities, at times, are at capacity, prompting
the agency "to look at all the alternatives," including port facilities on
the New Jersey side of the river.

     This year's lineup of cruises includes the first regular sailings of
one of the industry's larger ships, Royal Caribbean's 2,250-passenger
Enchantment of the Seas.

     The Norwegian Crown will go to Bermuda over the next four weeks and
then return for four more cruises in September and October.

     The Celebrity Horizon, which has been based in Philadelphia for much
of the last two seasons, will make 17 seven-night voyages to Bermuda,
departing Saturdays from July through October.

     Prices for the cruises, which include meals aboard ships but not
alcoholic drinks or shore excursions, range from $599 for an inside cabin on
a five-night trip to more than $2,000 for a suite on a seven-night trip.

     But each arrival of Enchantment of the Seas will create a logistical
problem: how to efficiently move more than 2,000 passengers and their
average of 2.8 pieces of luggage while another group of travelers moves
through the terminal to depart later the same day.

     To solve the problem, the Port of Philadelphia and Camden, the port
authority division that runs the terminal, is building a 4,000-square-foot
temporary facility half a mile away. Arriving passengers and their bags will
be shuttled from the ship to the building, where they will clear U.S.
Customs. The building is next to a parking lot where passengers leave their
cars during the cruise.

     "We have a limited facility here," port director Melissa Grimm said.
"We need a 10-year master plan so we can accommodate larger ships."

     The Philadelphia Industrial Development Corp., the agency that manages
and markets the former Navy Yard, is working with the port authority to find
additional space at the yard to expand, said John Grady, senior vice
president of the development agency.

     Although buildings surrounding the terminal are already leased to
other tenants, "we have plenty of empty buildings at the Navy Yard," Grady
said.

     "Hundreds of thousands of people have been to the Navy Yard because of
cruises, which is great marketing for us," he added. "We think it's great
for tourism."

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> > This post has been immensely helpful.  Go figure?  Thanks one and all, you
> > guys rock.  I am going to lobby for the cruise.
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> carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Apr 2005 14:20 GMT
Here is the photo with the article ......

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/inquirer/11478/131749556276.jpg

Aren't those boats a little small for cruises?

Joel

> Interesting background piece in today's Inquirer:
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> >
> > carabelli
Charlie - 24 Apr 2005 11:49 GMT
Good thought food for vacation philosophy.  I have only done one previous
cruise and thought it was OK - 7 day Southern route Royal Caribbean - but
just OK for moi.  The 3 other people with me LOVED it.

I'm not really a cruise kind of guy, but the Mrs. and I'll bet my two
(single) adult offspring will love it.  I know they will.  My personal
indulgence trip this Spring is kayaking/backpacking the Susquehanna in May,
more my speed.

And I'll have fun, too.  Last time I mostly hung in the Karaoke lounge
attempting Bobby Darrin....oops, dating myself.  And trying not to eat too
much....I did try to stay in shape, jogging around the Promenade Deck the
first couple days....but you ever try to exercise in full view of people
lounging about, sunning themselves, eating shrimp and tossing back
Margaritas?...It's pure HELL!!
 
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