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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / April 2005Is This The Dentist's Fault?
I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a bit, took ex-rays,panorex etc. I think it was about 2 months later when I noticed some roughness when I flossed so I went back to him to check it. He said the tooth had to be extracted due to decay. I didn't have him extract it but about a month later it fell out leaving the root which I then had extracted by a surgeon. Can a tooth decay this fast? I think he either missed something initially and the probing exacerbated some minor decay permitting some bacteria to enter. I have the ex-rays and while I'm not an expert in reading them I can see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. What do you think? The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. > What do you think? > The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was > simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... Damage done because this person didn't go to dentist? That doesn't even make sense. This sounds like negligence to me and I would suggest filing a lawsuit against him for the cost of an implant, restoration, pain and suffering, emotional distress as well as punitive damages. Make it about $20,000 and and don't worry, his insurance carrier will settle because it will cost them at least $5,000 to do depositions and pay an expert witness and if they go to trial the jury might award punitive damages to you as well. Settle for about $7,000. > > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. > > What do you think? > > The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was > > simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... > > Damage done because this person didn't go to dentist? That doesn't even > make sense. REPLY Yes it does. Decay progresses even if you DO NOT visit the dentist. Joel > This sounds like negligence to me and I would suggest filing a lawsuit > against him for the cost of an implant, restoration, pain and suffering, > emotional distress as well as punitive damages. Lawsuit due to decay .... sue Mother Nature and the nasty bacteria! > Make it about $20,000 and and don't worry, his insurance carrier will > settle because it will cost them at least $5,000 to do depositions and pay > an expert witness and if they go to trial the jury might award punitive > damages to you as well. > Settle for about $7,000. Oh right! Joel > > > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > > > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. > > > What do you think? >> The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was >> simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > damages to you as well. > Settle for about $7,000. So, when is you're next try at passing the state Bar Exam? carabelli > >> The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was > >> simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > So, when is you're next try at passing the state Bar Exam? actually it was 32 years ago > carabelli >> >> The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was >> >> simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> carabelli Good for you, maybe after 32 years of studying you'll pass this time. carabelli > > actually it was 32 years ago > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > carabelli If this is so, then what is this AH doing hanging around here like a ambulance chaser?........ Spammmer for his own practice perhaps ? SP  SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH >> The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was >> simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > damages to you as well. > Settle for about $7,000 Sheesh. A decent attorney could get double that. You must suck. > >> The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was > >> simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sheesh. A decent attorney could get double that. You must suck. I can get triple. I said SETTLE without going to trial lol >> >> The damage was done during the two years ...... and the two months was >> >> simply the icing on the cake, so to say ..... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I can get triple. I said SETTLE without going to trial lol Yes, LOL. > I have the ex-rays and while I'm not an expert in reading them I can >see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. >What do you think? Post the x-ray and most will give an evaluation. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. > What do you think? The dentist should have picked up on the decay. However, as Joel says, the problem was doubtless the two years, not the two months. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The dentist should have picked up on the decay. When a person who is allegedly a professional in a field and "should have" done something and didn't, that's negligence. However, as Joel says, > the problem was doubtless the two years, not the two months. doubtless? so if you don't go to a dentist for 2 years or 20 years, but brush and floss, you can expect your teeth to fall out? > Steve > > > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > > > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > When a person who is allegedly a professional in a field and "should have" > done something and didn't, that's negligence. Partially true Shytser, I mean Shyster. Joel > However, as Joel says, > > the problem was doubtless the two years, not the two months. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Brooklyn, NY > > 718-258-5001 >> > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I >> > always [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > When a person who is allegedly a professional in a field and "should have" > done something and didn't, that's negligence Maybe. But if this was caught 2 months earlier, it's likely that the tooth would have still been lost. > > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Steve If someone could prove that the two months delay was the difference between a small filling and a huge bombed out tooth, then you could argue that. However, you will have to scrap the bottom of the ooze and muck to find a dentist to testify to that. Joel > -- > Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS > http://www.dentaltwins.com > Brooklyn, NY > 718-258-5001 >> > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I >> > always [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > However, you will have to scrap the bottom of the ooze and muck to find a > dentist to testify to that. I'll testify. What's my percentage of the $7000? And will I have to swear with my hand on a bible? ( 'Cause that could be a problem...) > >> > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I > >> > always [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I'll testify. What's my percentage of the $7000? And will I have to swear > with my hand on a bible? ( 'Cause that could be a problem...) You can swear with your hand on your cock if you like. After all that's how the ancient Hebrews did it, King James version changed it to thigh. Insurance companies settle these small claims. Do you really believe they want to go to trial with the possibility of winning only 20%? Not to mention what the jury may award in pain and suffering and punitive damages. > Do you really believe they > want to go to trial with the possibility of winning only 20%? Not to mention > what the jury may award in pain and suffering and punitive damages. I think they'd rather settle, then use that settlement as a black mark against you to justify jacking up your premium. I think we can safely add insurance companies to dentists and lawyers on the list of most hated. T >> >> > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I >> >> > always [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > mention > what the jury may award in pain and suffering and punitive damages. My insurance company can't settle without my consent. I will always go to trial. > > I'll testify. What's my percentage of the $7000? And will I have to > swear [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > want to go to trial with the possibility of winning only 20%? Not to mention > what the jury may award in pain and suffering and punitive damages. REPLY Yeah and the King James version changed the "ancient part" too. This custom was practiced as recently as 1967. Joel And you also know that you have to get a medical dr, dentist, to swear under oath that negligence was the reason and you wouldn't get one if hell froze over. UM MOM Susan > You can swear with your hand on your cock if you like. After all that's > how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mention > what the jury may award in pain and suffering and punitive damages. > > I'll testify. What's my percentage of the $7000? And will I have to > swear [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > want to go to trial with the possibility of winning only 20%? Not to mention > what the jury may award in pain and suffering and punitive damages. Then go shove your _own_ fingers up yer _own_ LawYer's a.s, swear, and go bother the Knights Templar over the other side. They're great at small claims... They'd make short work of y'all.... Ah _still_ cain't get over how they can wrap a whole person around one a.shole.... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > If someone could prove that the two months delay was the difference > > between [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'll testify. What's my percentage of the $7000? And will I have to swear > with my hand on a bible? ( 'Cause that could be a problem...) Use the Lawyer's Bible... I think it's fulla old Playboys and such... SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > > I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > > > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The dentist should have picked up on the decay. However, as Joel says, > > the problem was doubtless the two years, not the two months. They only have to prove that it was there and the dentist didn't treat it. And leave the jury to decide. Most of the time the defendant actually has to prove that he wasn't negligent! Dentists are almost as unpopular as lawyers and practically every juror has a story to tell. If there's a question regarding who's at fault, the patient or dentist, they invariably find for the patient :o) > Joel > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Brooklyn, NY > > 718-258-5001 > They only have to prove that it was there and the dentist didn't treat it. > And leave the jury to decide. Most of the time the defendant actually has to > prove that he wasn't negligent! Dentists are almost as unpopular as lawyers > and practically every juror has a story to tell. If there's a question > regarding who's at fault, the patient or dentist, they invariably find for > the patient :o) I have never been sued, but had a couple of patients who told me they sued other dentists and "warned" me I better be good. I told them I had no interest in having them as a patient. One threatened to sue me because of this, but I never heard from them again. T > > They only have to prove that it was there and the dentist didn't treat it. > > And leave the jury to decide. Most of the time the defendant actually has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I have never been sued, but had a couple of patients who told me they sued > other dentists and "warned" me I better be good. Why would they do that? You story doesn't have the ring of truth to it I'm afraid. I told them I had no > interest in having them as a patient. One threatened to sue me because of > this, but I never heard from them again. You don't have to accept a person as a patient but if there's a pattern of discrimination against certain people they may have a case. It depends. > T > > I have never been sued, but had a couple of patients who told me they sued > > other dentists and "warned" me I better be good. > > Why would they do that? You story doesn't have the ring of truth to it I'm > afraid. Because they're as BITCHY as _you_ are. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > I have never been sued, but had a couple of patients who told me they sued > other dentists and "warned" me I better be good. I told them I had no > interest in having them as a patient. One threatened to sue me because of > this, but I never heard from them again. > > T I'll go one step further. I avoid treating them, but they never know why! A second precaution is to check the local Prothonotary's Office for people who specialize in medical and dental malpractice actions. Joel > Dentists are almost as unpopular as lawyers Dentists are always in the top 10 most trusted professions...and attorneys are in the bottom 4 or 5. I'll put my integrity up against an attorney's any day of the week. > > Dentists are almost as unpopular as lawyers > > Dentists are always in the top 10 most trusted professions...and attorneys > are in the bottom 4 or 5. Lawyers are actually dead last lol > I'll put my integrity up against an attorney's any day of the week. You may have integrity but we were discussing insurance companies and civil litigation. If there's any doubt in a jury's mind they will find for the plaintiff. Insurance companies will always try to settle small claims bacause all they care about is the cost not who's right or wrong. Even a pro se litigant can run their costs much higher than if they just settled. But suppose they did go to trial and win? Most likely the pro se plaintiff is judgement proof and they can't even get their costs reimbursed so they're out more money than if they settled. > You may have integrity but we were discussing insurance companies and civil > litigation. If there's any doubt in a jury's mind they will find for the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > judgement proof and they can't even get their costs reimbursed so they're > out more money than if they settled. Good thing it's set up this way, or you'd be eatin' Kraft Dinners 7 days a week. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > > You may have integrity but we were discussing insurance companies and civil > > litigation. If there's any doubt in a jury's mind they will find for the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a week. > SP not unusual since most dentists come from this background and only get into dentistry for the $$$$$ because they couldn't get into med school lol What is Trailer Park Que-ZEEN? > > > You may have integrity but we were discussing insurance companies and > civil [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > not unusual since most dentists come from this background and only get into > dentistry for the $$$$$ because they couldn't get into med school lol Sorry to tell you that most of us *could* get into med school. However we *chose* to be dentists for a wide variety of reasons. Better hours Less stress More autonomy Higher treatment success Pride in our manual skills Go try to make someone else depressed. It won't work here. Fawks > not unusual since most dentists come from this background and only get into > dentistry for the $$$$$ because they couldn't get into med school lol > Sorry to tell you that most of us *could* get into med school. However > we *chose* to be dentists for a wide variety of reasons. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> into >> dentistry for the $$$$$ because they couldn't get into med school lol I would not have made it into an American medical school the year I graduated college (1973). However, while the above reasons were all discussed as objectifiable reasons to favor dentistry over medicine as a career (usually expressed in the catch-all phrase "you'll have a better life"), these reasons are usually expressed in my experience by someone who is NOT a dentist explaining how dentistry might be a more "logical" career choice than medicine. In fact, I would guess that if these are the reasons many consider dentistry over medicine, it is not the reason people STAY in dentistry. One could argue that depending upon the particular specialty, medicine may well match general dentistry in many or all of the above criteria. In fact, clinical dentistry has very little similarity in the day-to-day nitty gritty of running a practice to medicine as it is practiced by most of the physicians I know. It's just a different kettle of fish altogether--although it is understandable how those outside either profession might think they have a lot in common. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > It's just a different > kettle of fish altogether--although it is understandable how those > outside either profession might think they have a lot in common. > > Steve I agree with what you wrote. The pendulum of easy vs. hard to get into dental school seems to swing with a regular frequency, while I don't believe it has ever been "easy" to get into medical school. These days, in speaking with physician friends, and depending on specialty, many envy the fact managed care has not yet made dentists virtual employees of the insurance company. The grass is always greener... T > > It's just a different > > kettle of fish altogether--although it is understandable how those [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > many envy the fact managed care has not yet made dentists virtual employees > of the insurance company. The grass is always greener... That's only because dental insurance covers NOTHING. lol Most dental "insurance' is just a way to promote business for the dentist. When you see plans that are $200 for example stating that you get a reduced fee if you visit certain dentists it is pure fraud. The "insurance" company takes $100 for themselves and pays the dentist the other $100 over 12 months time. Your reduced fee doesn't even exist because if a crown is $800 and you're supposed to get it for $600 the dentist usually adds on other charges so it comes out to the same price, or his charge is inflated and the reduced fee is the normal fee. Even in good dental plans which cost a lot more where you would get a crown for example for 50% off, you usually have to be on the plan for 3 years and when you consider the premiums you paid for 3 years you could have just as well paid cash! > T > > It's just a different > > kettle of fish altogether--although it is understandable how those [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > dental school seems to swing with a regular frequency, while I don't believe > it has ever been "easy" to get into medical school. Did anyone of you ever take the MCAT? I think it's obvious that success in dentistry requires good hand-eye coordination while this is not necessary for a doctor, unless they are a surgeon. In fact I had a dentist tell me that frequently in dental school, those with the best dental skills tended not to do the best in theory, or perhaps more accuately that many of those who excelled at the theory still did poorly in the practical classes. This is bad news for the patient, because it means that it can be difficult to find a dentist who is well-rounded and a lot of damage can be done by dental procedures where either the approach is incorrect or the work itself is poor. As far as Med school, I think a lot who get in are not really interested in science which should be a major component of medicine and specifically take "soft" courses in undergraduate school to boost their GPA, combined with some courses in biology and chem to boost their MCAT score. The engineering program I graduated from (with honors by the way) was rated the top 20 in the nation. I knew one guy who graduated in the program with a 3.3 (out of 4.0) taking many of the hardest courses in the mechanical engineering section. The highest GPA in all the engineering sections that year was probably around a 3.9 achieved by some supergenuis. This guy couldn't even get into a well known medical school with a 3.3 though because so many biology majors where applying with inflated GPA's which looked good on paper and could prep for the MCAT by taking biology and chem classes. > These days, in speaking with physician friends, and depending on specialty, > many envy the fact managed care has not yet made dentists virtual employees > of the insurance company. The grass is always greener... > > T Insurance companies are driving doctors out of business. How competent can the medical profession be if they can't even defend themselves against insurance companies? Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I took the MCAT before I was finished with my first semester of my junior year in college. I had a respectable score, though I didn't blow the roof off. In another year, I would have nailed it. It was a year later when I took the DAT and scored well above average on the academic portion and almost maxed the perceptual motor skills section (which means I could have been an engineer <G>). Padding grade point averages with organic chem., biochem., bacteriology, genetics, physiology, anatomy, and physics I & II??? You are one blind puppy. Fawks > Did anyone of you ever take the MCAT? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > undergraduate school to boost their GPA, combined with some > courses in biology and chem to boost their MCAT score. This guy couldn't even get into a well > known medical school with a 3.3 though > because so many biology majors where applying with inflated GPA's > which looked good on paper and could prep for the MCAT by taking > biology and chem classes. > Insurance companies are driving doctors out of business. How > competent can the medical profession be if they can't even defend > themselves against insurance companies? > Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I took the MCAT > before I was finished with my first semester of my junior year in > college. I had a respectable score, though I didn't blow the roof off. > In another year, I would have nailed it. Don't know about the MCAT? I never took it. However, this person I was talking about would not have an opportunity to prepare for it by taking all the what I assume are pre-med courses and also an engineering curriculum > It was a year later when I took the DAT and scored well above average on > the academic portion and almost maxed the perceptual motor skills > section (which means I could have been an engineer <G>). Well, I guess the MCAT does not have that (visual section). In fact I can't think of any major entrance test that does. So you are saying that you max out when it comes to PMS (preceptual motor skills). Like I said, med school is more emphasis on memorization. > Padding grade point averages with organic chem., biochem., bacteriology, > genetics, physiology, anatomy, and physics I & II??? > > You are one blind puppy. Well, obviously I am not persoanlly familiar with the pre-med curriculium but at my school the Engineering departement was nationally ranked while the other departements weren't. I'm not saying there aren't some difficult courses thrown in, but look who the pre-meds are competing against, biology majors in biology, farming majors in genetics. In my school there were two types of phyics 1 and 2. One for engineers and hard science and one for other majors. I'll take a look at what the pre-med is right now. for biology, lets see: what you said virtually no math "Zoology", "plant biology" and principles of Ecology element of physics (which is the easy version) Now lets look at ESM, which this guy took: Dyanamics Engr Ecomomics (diffciult ecomomic class) Elements of materials Calculus 3 Mechanics of Deformable bodies Calculus 4 Advanced physics elective and that is just the second year! Third year includes such goodies as Fluid mechanics Mechanical behavior of materials Thermodynamics Structural Mechanics Fluid mechanics 2 more advanced math..etc I won't bore you with year 1 and 2, but I guess you know it all Fawks (not). >> Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I took the > MCAT [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > I won't bore you with year 1 and 2, I took all of those course before dental school. Undergrad degree---->>>BSME Purdue University. > > Fluid mechanics 2 > > more advanced math..etc [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I took all of those course before dental school. Undergrad > degree---->>>BSME Purdue University. Thats a good engineering program. I was double E with a physics minor so I stopped the mechanical courses at Dynamics but some of the advanced Mechanics courses sound very interesting. >> > Fluid mechanics 2 >> > more advanced math..etc [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > at Dynamics but some of the advanced Mechanics courses sound very > interesting. EE was not my strong suit. Until I bought the HP48, my calculator couldn't take the square root of -1. > >> > Fluid mechanics 2 > >> > more advanced math..etc REPLY This is a biology course ,,,,,,, it has to do with the effect of X-Lax on the gut ...... Joel > >> > I won't bore you with year 1 and 2, > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Until I bought the HP48, my calculator couldn't take the square root of -1. >> >> > Fluid mechanics 2 >> >> > more advanced math..etc [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Joel And I thought it was about bladder control. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >> >> > Fluid mechanics 2 > >> >> > more advanced math..etc [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And I thought it was about bladder control. REPLY It DEPENDS-S-S-S-S. > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:56:36 -0400, "Joel M. Eichen" ><joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >It DEPENDS-S-S-S-S. Good one ! -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >EE was not my strong suit. > >Until I bought the HP48, my calculator couldn't take the square root of -1. Mandelbrot or Julia ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >EE was not my strong suit. > > > >Until I bought the HP48, my calculator couldn't take the square root of -1. > > Mandelbrot or Julia ? REPLY Only Julia for the next seven days ....... (TRICKY RIDDLE HERE). Joel > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > > >EE was not my strong suit. > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Joel I think I'll pass over this one carabelli > > > >EE was not my strong suit. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > carabelli Excellent! You win the prize ,,, the trip to Hawai'i ..... Never mind, we been there already! >>EE was not my strong suit. >> >>Until I bought the HP48, my calculator couldn't take the square root >>of -1. > > Mandelbrot or Julia ? Julia. Fatou or Cantor? > >> > Fluid mechanics 2 > >> > more advanced math..etc [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Until I bought the HP48, my calculator couldn't take the square root of -1. They do use i a lot in EE. In fact capaciators and inductors are treated as imaginery resistances. Interestingly quantum mechanics uses i alot too (or is it j) because the wave functions come up imaginery, but they try to get rid of the j's as soon as possible by taking the absolute magnitude and converting to probabilites, while the double EE's try to keep the i,j's around. I thought I should have done mechanical/ physics instead of EE becasue I don't like circuits that well, but I was glad to in the end because of the training with i and the Electromagnetics. I actually had an interesting hypothesis in school about the imaginery part of the wave functions which I may talk about later. "Hard science"?? Biology is just at 'hard' as math. It's just different. Just because you're a whiz at math does not mean that the biology requirements would be easy for you. Also, just because I have a biology degree, that does not mean that engineering classes would be easy for me. I didn't take much math in college. I took algebra I & II, solid & plane geometry, and trig in high school and tested out of the math requirements in college. All I had to take was a course in statistics. BTW, I took the 'real' Physics classes (used a little math there!). Nothing was watered down for biology majors. Fawks One for engineers and hard science and one > for other majors. I'll take a look at what the pre-med is right > now. for biology, lets see: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Zoology", "plant biology" and principles of Ecology > element of physics (which is the easy version) > "Hard science"?? Biology is just at 'hard' as math. It's just > different. Just because you're a whiz at math does not mean that the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Fawks You were lucky with the math! I was never a big fan of math class, but as part of my biology degree program we had to take a full year(I&II) of calculus. My head still hurts. T >BTW, I took the 'real' Physics classes (used a little math there!). >Nothing was watered down for biology majors. > >Fawks I took the real Physics classes too... Calculus (math, not tartar) was a pre-requisite. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote ............ > I took the real Physics classes too... I took Unreal Physics - they made us watch Star Trek reruns as a study guide. carabelli >"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote ............ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >carabelli Warp 6, Mr. Sulu... -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote ............ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >carabelli In my college they had physics for engineers and physics for dummies. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote ............ > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > physics for dummies. > -- Just plain ole for the science majors. Got to take caculus twice, senior yr HS and then freshman yr college - that helped get the GPA off to a good start. carabelli >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:40:31 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >carabelli So how was life aboard the dEnterprise ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:40:31 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > So how was life aboard the dEnterprise ? a little homesick the first week or so - then I got a fake ID carabelli With beer and basketball, I didn't need any extra help that calculus could have offered for my GPA (freshman year only, then I straightened up...well kinda...I got the grade point where it should have been). ;-) Fawks Got to take caculus twice, senior yr > HS and then freshman yr college - that helped get the GPA off to a good > start. > > carabelli > With beer and basketball, I didn't need any extra help that calculus > could have offered for my GPA (freshman year only, then I straightened > up...well kinda...I got the grade point where it should have been). > > ;-) > Fawks Calclus 1 and 2 did help my grade point average substantially, though it is a lot of work. In fact I recieved A's in all my math classes and did well in physics too. In fact at one time I also had a perfect (the only one in the class) testing average in physics 2 for the entire semester and simultaneously the highest average in Dynamics. Unfortunatley, later my science career became unravelved after the the amalgam started to break down and I failed to realize it/remove for a number of years which was almost a deadly mistake. BTW surprisingly I see the football program has recently had a big increase in success and the number "Vick"tories. If you read some String Theory, it really gets you wondering about physics ...... Joel > >"W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote ............ > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > If you read some String Theory Clapton Unplugged? >> If you read some String Theory > >Clapton Unplugged? Stevie Ray Vaughn -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I took the MCAT >before I was finished with my first semester of my junior year in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Fawks I took the MCAT freshman year in dental school. Respectable score, never applied to med school. Preferred dentistry. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I took the MCAT >>before I was finished with my first semester of my junior year in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Respectable score, never applied to med school. >Preferred dentistry. Was working toward dual degree in Biology and Chemistry, both B.S., not B.A. 3.8 GPA. Enough science and math for both degrees at end of 3rd year. Needed one more year of Liberal Arts (refused to take any) to get both degrees. Took the DAT and waltzed into DS instead of 4th year of under grad. This was after a 4 year apprenticeship to become a Journeyman Electrician. Could have done anything I wanted to. Only Dentistry appealed to me. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. > Was working toward dual degree in Biology and Chemistry, both B.S., > not B.A. 3.8 GPA. I think the difficulty of grading a lot varies from school to school. for example at the University of rochester 4% get A's and a 4.0 is extremely rare. Cornell is also a school where they laugh at freshman who plan on getting straight A's. Also a lot of big state schools are tough in their technical programs such as University of Maryland and Universityu of Florida becaue they like to weed out students. Interestingly at Stanford they let you retake courses if your fail and they lowest grade they give at Havard and other Ivy league schools is like a B-. I know someon who got a B+ at Brown during one semester they had mono. Don't want to alienate the child of someone who might make a big endowment I guess, but hardly fair to people applying to medschool. Enough science and math for both degrees at end > of 3rd year. Needed one more year of Liberal Arts (refused to take > any) to get both degrees. Took the DAT and waltzed into DS instead of > 4th year of under grad. I heard you can get into dental school after 3 years but I didn't know if that was true. A couple of guys on here have done just that (not I). It is still possible at UMKC. You have to have certain required classes completed and you need to be a *very* good candidate. For a time they had a 6 year program right out of high school. That has been discontinued at the dental school, though it still exists at the med school. Fawks > I heard you can get into dental school after 3 years but I didn't > know if that was true. > > It's just a different > > kettle of fish altogether--although it is understandable how those > > outside either profession might think they have a lot in common. > > > > Steve I have to question the sanity of some in the medical profession, especially infectous disease doctors and ER doctors, who spend 8 hours a day seeing people with rare and highly contagious diseases. >not unusual since most dentists come from this background and only get into >dentistry for the $$$$$ because they couldn't get into med school lol It's harder to get into dental school than med school. Just look at the numbers. Getting into vet school is the hardest of all. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > They only have to prove that it was there and the dentist didn't treat it. > And leave the jury to decide. Most of the time the defendant actually has to > prove that he wasn't negligent! Dentists are almost as unpopular as lawyers > and practically every juror has a story to tell. If there's a question > regarding who's at fault, the patient or dentist, they invariably find for > the patient :o) If you are a lawyer, you doubtless know that the chances a jury would ever see this case are remote. Steve >>Joel >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>Brooklyn, NY >>>718-258-5001 SignatureCut the nonsense to reply > Dentists are almost as unpopular as lawyers > and practically every juror has a story to tell. If there's a question > regarding who's at fault, the patient or dentist, they invariably find for > the patient :o) Good thing for _you_, otherwise you'd be eatin' Kraft Dinner 7 days a week. SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH > If someone could prove that the two months delay was the difference between > a small filling and a huge bombed out tooth, then you could argue that. > However, you will have to scrap the bottom of the ooze and muck to find a > dentist to testify to that. > > Joel I won't testify to that, but I'll _drink_ to that.... <hic> SP SignatureFinally: take out the TRASHH Do you have any other medical problems or on any medications? I am not a dentist but I can tell you this, teeth can break off that fast and even fall out due to medical issues and other things. How do I know? I saw my dentist & my dr's who told me. Mine had to be extracted because my bone is in excellent shape. My teeth went mostly from malabsorption issues and meds, so maybe you could try to see if you have this problem too, it's a blood test. UM MOM Susan >I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always > brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. > What do you think? > Do you have any other medical problems or on any medications? REPLY We recommend that patients transcend dental medication. Joel I am not a > dentist but I can tell you this, teeth can break off that fast and even fall > out due to medical issues and other things. How do I know? I saw my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. > > What do you think? >I went to a new dentist after not seeing one for about 2 years. I always >brushed well and flossed. He examined me and probed and scraped around a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >see some slight shading on that tooth which appears to be minor decay. >What do you think? HM0 ? .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. |
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