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Sum - 11 Apr 2005 17:25 GMT
Hello Folks:

I have been browsing this newsgroup for the question I have about
crowns, but I am still a little disoriented. I have not found a case
that is similar to mine, so I thought may be I can get some help from
the dentists and patients contributing to this newsgroup.

My dentist recommended that I get 6 crowns for my front teeth--all
porcelain. I am 28 years old now, and when I was 16 I had an accident
because of which two teeth had to be root canalled. I understand that
they would have to be eventually capped. But my dentist recommended
that I get six crowns to also get rid of the gaps in my front teeth and
get a pleasing smile. I also have to mention that I am quite eager to
get a good smile as having my current smile has affected my
personality--negatively!

My question is: is it a good idea to crown teeth in healthy condition
just for the sake of getting a good smile? In my case, ideally only two
root canalled teeth need crowns, but my problem with having a good
smile would still remain unsolved in case I choose to crown only two
teeth.  So do crowns on healthy teeth make me susceptible to more tooth
problems?

I would really appreciate any recommendations from your side.

Thanks in advance!

Warm regards,
Sumedh
Joel M. Eichen - 11 Apr 2005 17:30 GMT
> Hello Folks:
>
> I have been browsing this newsgroup for the question I have about
> crowns, but I am still a little disoriented.

R E P L Y from Joely:

THIS IS da place!

>I have not found a case
> that is similar to mine, so I thought may be I can get some help from
> the dentists and patients contributing to this newsgroup.

R E P L Y from Joely:

EXCELLENT!

> My dentist recommended that I get 6 crowns for my front teeth--all
> porcelain. I am 28 years old now, and when I was 16 I had an accident
> because of which two teeth had to be root canalled.

R E P L Y from Joely:

Two front ones I presume ....

> I understand that
> they would have to be eventually capped. But my dentist recommended
> that I get six crowns to also get rid of the gaps in my front teeth and
> get a pleasing smile. I also have to mention that I am quite eager to
> get a good smile as having my current smile has affected my
> personality--negatively!

R E P L Y from Joely:

Send a picture! Let us have a look-see!

> My question is: is it a good idea to crown teeth in healthy condition
> just for the sake of getting a good smile?

R E P L Y from Joely:

Some times yes, sometimes no ........ let's talk about it!

> In my case, ideally only two
> root canalled teeth need crowns, but my problem with having a good
> smile would still remain unsolved in case I choose to crown only two
> teeth.  So do crowns on healthy teeth make me susceptible to more tooth
> problems?

R E P L Y from Joely:

I can do two crowns and no one can tell which ones
they are. Other dentists might have to do six to match up the look.

In fact, I can do one and it matches, but that's a tough job if its one
central incisor.

R E P L Y from Joely:

Joel

> I would really appreciate any recommendations from your side.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Warm regards,
> Sumedh
Tony Bad - 11 Apr 2005 17:44 GMT
> My question is: is it a good idea to crown teeth in healthy condition
> just for the sake of getting a good smile? In my case, ideally only two
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Warm regards,
> Sumedh

You ask good questions. My reply to your question..."is it a good idea to
crown teeth in healthy condition just for the sake of getting a good smile?
" is only you can answer that question. Placing a crown on a tooth is always
a compromise. You will be committing to a lifetime of restoration on these
teeth, and every time the crowns need to be replaced, the probability of
complications (such as a need for root canal treatment or even loss of the
teeth) rises. The probability that you will have periodontal complications
is heightened unless you maintain excellent hygiene. If, however, your
desire to have a "good smile" outweighs these other concerns, then you
should go ahead. Just be sure the office is going to give you the esthetic
results you desire.

T
Sum - 11 Apr 2005 21:25 GMT
Thank you all for your prompt responses.

There is no doubt I have to cap the two root canalled teeth--yes, the
two front ones. I am not sure about how intact they are at the moment,
but I am already beginning to see discoloration on the gum line and on
tiny portions of the teeth close to the gum line. Although it is hardly
noticeable to an outsider, I am sure crowning would be an esthetic
necessity. I have been to three different dentists so far, and although
they advised different kinds of treatments, they were unanimous as far
as crowning the root canalled teeth is concerned.

I am not against teeth restoration even if I have to do it 3 or 4
times. My concern at least for now is whether this treatment would have
any immediate undesirable effects like speech impediments, swollen
gums, toothaches, etc. If my dentist assures me of not having these
problems, I am inclined to go for crowning the entire six teeth. Tony,
your response was useful. Just a supplementary question: when you say
that I need to make sure about the esthetic results, what exactly do
you mean? Are there any pitfalls to be avoided or anything else one
needs to confirm before the treatment starts?

Thanks again!

-S
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 11 Apr 2005 23:59 GMT
This is a patient talking, not a dentist.    Your dentist cannot assure you
of anything.  If you think you have problems now, four extra crowns that are
not needed are sheer superfluous.   Be glad you have four healthy teeth that
are not ready for crowns.   Keep your smile to a minimum and if you are
unhappy now with the appearance of your teeth, the possibility of having
problems sooner than later with crowned teeth increases, and then
unhappiness increases if there are no teeth.    This is assuming, the teeth
are in good condition.   Natural teeth are preferable over crowned teeth
every time, in my opinion, which probably no one else shares.  And I state
this, at the risk of  being told to butt out.
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 12 Apr 2005 00:02 GMT
I agree with you Gail.

Joel

> This is a patient talking, not a dentist.    Your dentist cannot assure you
> of anything.  If you think you have problems now, four extra crowns that are
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> this, at the risk of  being told to butt out.
> Gail
StovePipe - 13 Apr 2005 03:44 GMT
> I agree with you Gail.
>
> Joel

.... but put out your cigarette...
SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 13 Apr 2005 11:16 GMT
> > I agree with you Gail.
> >
> > Joel
>
> .... but put out your cigarette...
> SP

That's a small cigar.

> --
> Finally: take out the TRASHH
Stormin Mormon - 19 Apr 2005 13:24 GMT
Speaking as a patient, I find a cheerful expression more important than a
perfect tooth.

Other folks are less likely to notice than you looking at youself.

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This is a patient talking, not a dentist.    Your dentist cannot assure you
of anything.  If you think you have problems now, four extra crowns that are
not needed are sheer superfluous.   Be glad you have four healthy teeth that
are not ready for crowns.   Keep your smile to a minimum and if you are
unhappy now with the appearance of your teeth, the possibility of having
problems sooner than later with crowned teeth increases, and then
unhappiness increases if there are no teeth.    This is assuming, the teeth
are in good condition.   Natural teeth are preferable over crowned teeth
every time, in my opinion, which probably no one else shares.  And I state
this, at the risk of  being told to butt out.
Gail
Charlie  Oster - 11 Apr 2005 17:53 GMT
Crowning an intact, healthy tooth is something you would only do for very
good reasons.  If you're looking at just a small change in the contours of
your teeth, it may be possible to attain this with resin ("bonding") which,
in the right hands, can look beautiful.  If the color is also an issue, pre-
resorative bleaching may be all you need to add to the treatment plan.

On the other hand, the changes you need may be of a magnitude that can only
be attained with crowns. No simple answer.

Even well-made crowns have a limited lifespan.  At 28 you may stand to have
them remade another 3-4 times in your life.

By the way, an anterior tooth that's been root canaled does not,
necessarily, require a crown.  Depends on esthetic needs and how intact the
tooth is.

Good luck.
W_B - 11 Apr 2005 19:47 GMT
>My question is: is it a good idea to crown teeth in healthy condition
>just for the sake of getting a good smile? In my case, ideally only two
>root canalled teeth need crowns, but my problem with having a good
>smile would still remain unsolved in case I choose to crown only two
>teeth.  So do crowns on healthy teeth make me susceptible to more tooth
>problems?

Get porcelain veneers on the other non root canaled teeth.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 12 Apr 2005 02:34 GMT
> My dentist recommended that I get 6 crowns for my front teeth--all
> porcelain. I am 28 years old now, and when I was 16 I had an accident
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> get a good smile as having my current smile has affected my
> personality--negatively!

My own two cents: You need to post a photo to this group or more
preferably to Tinypic.com or one of the other free photo hosting
outfits. It is next to impossible to say what is necessary withot seeing
your mug. I am not the first to say this, and I won't be the last. If
worst comes to worst, go to a photo store and have them take a close up
with a really high quality digital and then have them email you the
photos. Then publish them. You shouldn't have much trouble getting this
done, and it shouldn't cost a fortune. Then the dentists will be able to
advise you well.
Cheers
SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 12 Apr 2005 11:27 GMT
Excellent advice. If someone dings his fender, the insurance agent or somone
rushes out with a digital camera to document the damage. Dentistry cannot be
assessed without a looky-see.

Joel

> > My dentist recommended that I get 6 crowns for my front teeth--all
> > porcelain. I am 28 years old now, and when I was 16 I had an accident
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> --
> Finally: take out the TRASHH
Charlie  Oster - 12 Apr 2005 12:31 GMT
"looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
Terms.
Joel M. Eichen - 12 Apr 2005 12:41 GMT
> "looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
> Terms.
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.medkb.com

Look up, "Don't-Make-Me-No-Nervermind!"

Joel
W_B - 12 Apr 2005 16:17 GMT
>"looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
>Terms.

It's right next to "looky-loo"....
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 12 Apr 2005 16:21 GMT
> >"looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
> >Terms.
>
> It's right next to "looky-loo"....

Which is right above Lucy Liu.

> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 12 Apr 2005 17:47 GMT
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:31:12 GMT, "Charlie  Oster via MedKB.com"
><forum@MedKB.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Which is right above Lucy Liu.

Which is where you would like to be ?
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 12 Apr 2005 19:09 GMT
> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:31:12 GMT, "Charlie  Oster via MedKB.com"
> ><forum@MedKB.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Which is where you would like to be ?

Good one.

> --
>
> W_B
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 13 Apr 2005 03:44 GMT
> >"looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
> >Terms.
>
> It's right next to "looky-loo"....
> --

You guys know Lucky Luc? Cowboy character drawn by a French dude? White
hat? Spurrs? Cigarette in mouth like Andy Capp? Horse as smart as
Grommit?
SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 13 Apr 2005 11:17 GMT
Nope, I had no idea Grommit was smart.

> > >"looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
> > >Terms.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> Finally: take out the TRASHH
W_B - 13 Apr 2005 17:08 GMT
>> >"looky-see"?  I can't seem to find that in the Glossary of Prosthodontic
>> >Terms.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Grommit?
>SP

No, but have heard of Lucky Pierre...
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
StovePipe - 12 Apr 2005 12:49 GMT
> Excellent advice. If someone dings his fender, the insurance agent or somone
> rushes out with a digital camera to document the damage. Dentistry cannot be
> assessed without a looky-see.
>
> Joel

Thanks, JME
SP
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