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How long do the effects of a microbial rinse last?

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Doc - 07 Apr 2005 08:23 GMT
After about a $500 round of procedures I supposedly needed, a dentist I've
been going to through my DMO plan has me on a schedule of 3 month cleanings
that they refer to as "perio maintenance cleanings", saying I have early
stage periodontal disease. My DMO picks up a portion of the cost of 2 of
these a year, so I end up paying around $36 and then $83 or thereabouts on
alternate visits.

After a couple of these cleanings, the technician announces - "Dr. so-and-so
has done research, and has found that a microbial rinse will help reduce the
bacterial colonies." They want to start tacking on this $30 rinse to my
cleanings. I remember they did one of these as part of the above mentioned
$500 worth of things they did, somehow virtually none of which was covered
by my plan. This rinse consisted of a quick splash of maybe a tablespoon or
so of this stuff.

To be honest, I'm on the fence regarding this dentist already. They've made
several billing "errors", wanting to charge me for a composite filling they
said my plan wouldn't cover (turns out it was covered), overcharging me on a
couple of different procedures then instead of crediting my credit card as
they said they would, they decided to instead apply it to office credit. One
wonders whether these errors were really errors. I wonder how many patients
have been similarly overcharged and just took them at their word on it.
Further, I keep getting an "infomercial" regarding one product or another as
part of my visits.

I was struck by how this technician's delivery came across as literally
scripted, like a telemarketer. Not "your condition requires this" or the
like but "The Dr. has done research..." as if to paint the picture of him
spending his off hours doing ground-breaking research, and eureka, he's
discovered the benefits of a microbial rinse. It clearly isn't new to him
since they did one already but they didn't seem to feel it was imperative as
part of the perio cleanings before, but now suddenly they want another $30
for this fancy mouthwash.

How long do the effects of a microbial rinse actually last and how much
additional benefit is there beyond the perio cleaning? I really have to
wonder if this guy's "research" was with his accountant, looking for new
ways to pad the bill. I'm not in a particular hurry to be merely
contributing to this guy's "I want to retire early" fund.

As an aside, I went to another dentist for a second opinion, he seemed to
feel that I'd be fine with a perio cleaning every 4 months. Unfortunately,
this dentist isn't on my particular plan.

Thoughts, insights, opinions will be appreciated.
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Apr 2005 12:38 GMT
Tacking on .... is the correct description .....

Cool description of dentistry though .... thanks.

Joel

> After about a $500 round of procedures I supposedly needed, a dentist I've
> been going to through my DMO plan has me on a schedule of 3 month cleanings
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>
> Thoughts, insights, opinions will be appreciated.
StovePipe - 07 Apr 2005 12:51 GMT
> As an aside, I went to another dentist for a second opinion, he seemed to
> feel that I'd be fine with a perio cleaning every 4 months. Unfortunately,
> this dentist isn't on my particular plan.
>
> Thoughts, insights, opinions will be appreciated.

If it is Perio disease, the research DOES indicate that
cleaning/disinfection every THREE months is best: the bugs re-grow at
that rate and then they become dangerous again.

Re: Rinses: Is this the ProDentec system of perio management? If so, you
should have received a rotary toothbrush for home care. Ask for the
ProDent-X tooth paste (I should say tooth varnish) and use that. It is
1.1% Flouride (bacteriosidal at that concentration).

Put it on at morning and night.

You shouldn't pay any more than 10$ or so for a tube of that stuff.

If your system is NOT  ProDentec with a home care small headed
toothbrush, get some Gel-Kam from the pharmacy. Only 0.4% Flouride, but
it's  better than regular toothpaste.

If you want a rinse, try the OxyFresh or Chlorhexidine-containing stuff
you can get at the pharmacy. Just remember these are not meant to
replace your brushing/flossing.

I'm not up on the litterature re: how long rinses last, but I know that
it is not long enough for them to be considered stand-alone treatments.

Again: Your brushing/flossing are always the best line of defense. Read:
mechanical removal of dental plaque.

HTH
SP
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Vaughn - 07 Apr 2005 13:42 GMT
>It is
> 1.1% Flouride (bacteriosidal at that concentration).
>
> You shouldn't pay any more than 10$ or so for a tube of that stuff.

    While you are 100% correct about how much we *should* pay, the fact is that
we pay $25.00 for a smallish tube of that stuff at the pharmacy.  That is why
old yankes get on those Canada-bound buses.

Vaughn
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Apr 2005 14:07 GMT
> >It is
> > 1.1% Flouride (bacteriosidal at that concentration).
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>
> Vaughn

I can just picture that .......!

Joel
StovePipe - 08 Apr 2005 03:08 GMT
>     While you are 100% correct about how much we *should* pay, the fact is
> that we pay $25.00 for a smallish tube of that stuff at the pharmacy.
> That is why old yankes get on those Canada-bound buses.
>
> Vaughn

... And if _we_ come South in search of decent electronics or Automobile
prices, our Customs Mafia jackes those prices right back up to the the
Kanada gov't taxed/inflated levels that strangle our economy. Meanwhile
here in never-never land, as some of you may have noted, the Gomery
commission is investigating stinking buisness practices perpetrated by
the Liberal Government around the time of the last Quebec Referendum.
The lesson they find: The top gov't level is entitled to legalized
thievery but _we_ rank and file are not. There is alot to be said for
living in Kanada, but if you cannot stomach the Mafia style governments,
it's not the place for you. If you want to know just how bad Kannaada
has become, check out some of the political editorial cartoons of Terry
Mosher:

http://www.aislin.com

Take off, you Hosers.... eh?
.....      ;-)

SP
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Dr Steve - 07 Apr 2005 12:55 GMT
DMO insurance does not pay enough to cover the average office's overhead.
So,,,,,,,, an office will become a DMO provider in the hopes that you will
refer lots of Non-DMO patients, or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,   ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,, they will utilize bait-and-switch tactics to make money.  I
have no idea of your specific case, as I cannot diagnosis anything over the
internet.

Most (not all) of the DMO dentists I talk to, who like participating with
it, are deep into bait-and-switch.  They do their very best to never do any
procedures which are covered by the plan.  They offer only procedures which
are out of pocket for the patient.  Any procedures which are covered by the
plan are schedule 3-5 months away with the hope you will forget the
appointment and never show up.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

> After about a $500 round of procedures I supposedly needed, a dentist I've
> been going to through my DMO plan has me on a schedule of 3 month
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>
> Thoughts, insights, opinions will be appreciated.
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Apr 2005 13:44 GMT
> Most (not all) of the DMO dentists I talk to, who like participating with
> it, are deep into bait-and-switch.  They do their very best to never do any
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>
> --

R E P L Y

I am wondering why dentistry does
not try to change it? It hurts everybody.

Joel
Dr Steve - 07 Apr 2005 14:30 GMT
>> Most (not all) of the DMO dentists I talk to, who like participating with
>> it, are deep into bait-and-switch.  They do their very best to never do
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>
> Joel

Because the insurance carriers are making a ton of money off these things,
and the Bait-and-switch office is making good money as well.  More things in
this world are driven by money than they are by any other factor.
Steven Fawks - 08 Apr 2005 22:57 GMT
Money 1, honesty and ethics 0

Fawks

>>I am wondering why dentistry does
>>not try to change it? It hurts everybody.
>>
>>Joel

> Because the insurance carriers are making a ton of money off these things,
> and the Bait-and-switch office is making good money as well.  More things in
> this world are driven by money than they are by any other factor.
W_B - 07 Apr 2005 16:11 GMT
>As an aside, I went to another dentist for a second opinion, he seemed to
>feel that I'd be fine with a perio cleaning every 4 months. Unfortunately,
>this dentist isn't on my particular plan.
>
>Thoughts, insights, opinions will be appreciated.

Get off the Bait & Switch train and go to a new dentist.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 08 Apr 2005 22:58 GMT
But don't expect an honest one to take your DMO.

Fawks

>>As an aside, I went to another dentist for a second opinion, he seemed to
>>feel that I'd be fine with a perio cleaning every 4 months. Unfortunately,
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>
> W_B
 
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