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StovePipe - 05 Apr 2005 05:17 GMT

Howdy George:

How'd it go with the iBond dealer? I felt kinda like a sh.t getting back
to y'all so late that week, but then as now, I'm having less and less
time to yap on the SMD....

Did you tell him/her about the lawsuit goin' on in North America about
that stuff?
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SP

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George Chatzipetros - 05 Apr 2005 21:40 GMT

> Howdy George:
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Stll using what I've got (about 30 single doses) and I didn't have any
problems so far except from one patient where I accidentally burnt his
cheek with the stuff (i'm an inept plonker - my fault). I don't know if
I'm going to re-order.
There's a lawsuit about that stuff? Most of the dentists at dental town
consider it to be crap, but a few big shots like Karl Leinefelder think
it's good but technique-sensitive.
To tell you the truth I really like the one-bottle mentality. I hear
that there are now other one-bottle SE system out, like clearfil s3 and
g-bond. Anyone heard anything about them?

George

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StovePipe - 06 Apr 2005 00:55 GMT

> Stll using what I've got (about 30 single doses) and I didn't have any
> problems so far except from one patient where I accidentally burnt his
> cheek with the stuff (i'm an inept plonker - my fault). I don't know if
> I'm going to re-order.

I'd keep 'em in the fridge till use, and I'd use a triangle wedge in the
cheek if this is a problem.

> There's a lawsuit about that stuff? Most of the dentists at dental town
> consider it to be crap, but a few big shots like Karl Leinefelder think
> it's good but technique-sensitive.

I've heard Karl Leinfelter speak. Believe me: he is a Steve Fawks type
magic hands type dentist. (Read: gifted). Anything from Scotch Bond One
up to and including Krazy Glue will work in his hands.

For the rest of the common of mortals, IMO, we need a bigger window of
operation.

> To tell you the truth I really like the one-bottle mentality.

Storage is at best one to three months, remember that. After three
months, you're supposed to chuck all one-bottle systems. (So sayeth
David Hornbrook).

> I hear
> that there are now other one-bottle SE system out, like clearfil s3 and
> g-bond. Anyone heard anything about them?

Ray Bertolotti touched on this briefly in Oct. 2004. I will wait and
see.

If you want an idiot-proof system that has been perfected on the poor
souls of the Third World, check out the L-Promt Adper system from
3M/ESPE. (The colorful little lollypops you used to see in all the mags
two years ago). Storage is not a concern: The "lollypop" is divided into
3 different compartments that are mixed only when you start to squeeze
the bumps together. KL talked about this 2 years ago at our Dental
Congress. He used it as an example of how the 'Evaluation' organizations
are just so much bullshit: The original 3M L-Promt Adper had gotten four
stars from one of the Big Three; (I'm pretty sure it was Dental Advisor,
but ANY of the others could have commited the same sin). It got four
stars from the evaluators, but:

It didn't work....... (!) .........

Four Stars out of five for bullshit:

It was the appearance, packaging, and general ease of use that got the
stars, and NOT for its longevity.... because, of course, it DIDN'T work.

Can you F'ing BELIEVE that?????

Anyways, 3M/ESPE has since refined the technique and supposedly now it
DOES work like it was supposed to.

If you can ask KL directly about that, he may be so inclined to give you
more details. Just remember: he is RETIRED now, so I'm not sure how much
real wet-finger evaluation he does at present.

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SP

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George Chatzipetros - 06 Apr 2005 08:01 GMT

I've read the G-Bond brochure... it almost seems too good to be true. 5
seconds high-pressure air dry and you're done? My dream material. 2
years shelf life. Ad GC hasn't yet screwed up with a material (I
think). I might ordfer some to try it.

George

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StovePipe - 06 Apr 2005 15:37 GMT

> I've read the G-Bond brochure... it almost seems too good to be true. 5
> seconds high-pressure air dry and you're done? My dream material. 2
> years shelf life. Ad GC hasn't yet screwed up with a material (I
> think). I might ordfer some to try it.
>
> George

Eeeefffff.... Anyways, if you do, watch it at three months intervals...
SP

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