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Get Your Cerec at Costco?
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Joel M. Eichen - 31 Mar 2005 01:19 GMT See what I mean Dr. Steve?
We got to act very profesionally .....
See Flap's thread.
Joel
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Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:12:19 -0800 From: "Gregory P. Cole, B.S., D.D.S." <drgregorycole.dds@verizon.net> Add to Address Book Subject: Cerec 3D To: "Shad Lewis" <shadlewis@comcast.net> CC: "Joel Eeichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com>
FYI: http://flapsblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/cerec-3d-at-costco-wal-mart-next.html
Cheers,
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Dr Steve - 31 Mar 2005 19:33 GMT I did not go the blog site.
Are you referring to the threat by Costco to begin placing CEREC clinics in the stores? I heard that they will be testing 1-2 stores this year. It might make it tough to convince a patient to have a crown down in two visits, when they can get an onlay in one visit (probably cheaper) at Coscto. It could change dentistry as well know it. Or, it could flop on its face. Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows?
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> See what I mean Dr. Steve? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Liberae sunt nostrae cogitationes Vaughn - 01 Apr 2005 00:56 GMT >I did not go the blog site. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > change dentistry as well know it. Or, it could flop on its face. Odds are it > will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows? They have been doing the same thing with optometry for many years, and my optometrist does not seem to be starving.
By the way, I hate Cosco in particular and have no use for that type of store in general. I see no reason to pay for the privilege of shopping anywhere. As for dentistry, if I wanted to get dentistry services from some miscellaneous low-paid dentist that will likely not be there for my next appointment, I would go to the mass storefront operation at our local mall.
Vaughn
Dr. Steve - 01 Apr 2005 05:26 GMT >>I did not go the blog site. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Vaughn Agreed .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Steven Fawks - 01 Apr 2005 17:21 GMT All it will take for this venture to be successful is for the marketing to convince patients that dentistry is a commodity. If a Cerec restoration is a Cerec restoration, is a Cerec restoration (or at least in a consumer's eyes) it might work.
I don't think a Cerec machine will make a mediocre dentist into a superior one. However, Costco won't be marketing as providing superior dental *service*, they will be marketing lower cost, single visit, Cerec *restorations*. They will focus on the Cerec machine as being the key ingredient, not who is treating the consumer (not much of a patient at this point).
If people can be 'sold' on the idea that a machine producing a restoration is more important than the person who provides the diagnosis, anesthesia, preparation, and cementation, it might work.
If they created a significant demand for Cerec restorations, it wouldn't be much of a problem to get one myself.
JMHO, Fawks
>>>Are you referring to the threat by Costco to begin placing CEREC clinics in >>>the stores? I heard that they will be testing 1-2 stores this year. It might [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > .. > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Vaughn - 02 Apr 2005 02:02 GMT > Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows? I suppose you have given the practice possibilities of Cerec lots of thought. If you had one machine, one dentist, and one or two well-trained computer geek/dental lab techs to serve the machine, how many chairs could you keep going in a mass operation like that?
Vaughn
DrSteve - 02 Apr 2005 03:26 GMT >> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Vaughn If you did not have to spend time treatment planning or doing diagnosis, then one dentist could work three rooms with one acquisition unit and two milling units.
W_B - 04 Apr 2005 16:43 GMT >> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Vaughn Two. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Dr Steve - 04 Apr 2005 19:29 GMT If you had two milling machines, you could attach a battery backup to the acquisition unit so that you can un-plug it and move it from room to room without interrupting the data stream to the milling machine. You could prep, scan, design, start mill in room #1, go to room #2 and do the same thing, by the time you were ready to mill in room #3 the first one would be done. This would require that you allow a staff person to play Lab-Tech and do the design work while you are prepping or bonding.
With one acquisition unit and one milling machine, you can easily keep two rooms busy as George pointed out. If the DA is a RDA, many states will allow her to do the scan and the trial fitting of the porcelain restoration. The doctor would only need to the anesthetize, prep, and bond. If people don't mind getting treated a bit like cattle, this thing can be turned into quite the assembly line.
 Signature ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA ....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >>> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Roy Brown - 08 Apr 2005 06:11 GMT The design work could be done off site freeing up your staff for other duties.
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| If you had two milling machines, you could attach a battery backup to the | acquisition unit so that you can un-plug it and move it from room to room [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] | > Take out the G'RBAGE | > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Dr. Steve - 08 Apr 2005 18:23 GMT >The design work could be done off site freeing up your staff for other duties. Very large file sizes to Send out & receive Plus, You want the design done by some one who has looked in the patient's mouth. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
StovePipe - 09 Apr 2005 21:50 GMT > Very large file sizes to Send out & receive Plus, You want the design > done by some one who has looked in the patient's mouth. You mean his/her mother? SP
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Dr Steve - 11 Apr 2005 20:34 GMT Back when I first received the 3D machine, Salvatore was 7 years old. He was hanging out at the office while Mrs. Steve was taking care of paperwork or something. I told him to take the track-ball on the CEREC machine and design a crown. I stood behind him telling him which design parameter to change and how to do it, but let him figure out how much to change each one. When he was done, we milled a perfect upper cuspid. We took an example scan from the database rather than an actual patient restoration. I thought it interesting that if I told him what to change and which tools to use, he could create a perfect design at seven years of age. Not very difficult software.
 Signature ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA ....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >> Very large file sizes to Send out & receive Plus, You want the design >> done by some one who has looked in the patient's mouth. > > You mean his/her mother? > SP carabelli - 11 Apr 2005 20:51 GMT > Back when I first received the 3D machine, Salvatore was 7 years old. He > was hanging out at the office while Mrs. Steve was taking care of paperwork [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > interesting that if I told him what to change and which tools to use, he > could create a perfect design at seven years of age. ........ Now I understand why Joel never got one.
carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 11 Apr 2005 21:18 GMT > > Back when I first received the 3D machine, Salvatore was 7 years old. He > > was hanging out at the office while Mrs. Steve was taking care of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > carabelli Ho-ho.
Good one. We are slammin' Jan not me here.
Joel
Flap - 11 Apr 2005 23:52 GMT Well, doesn't Patterson claim they can teach a monkey to design a Cerec crown?
Or is that why there are so many advanced TRAINERS?.....LOL......
Flap
http://flapsblog.blogspot.com
carabelli - 12 Apr 2005 01:46 GMT >> > Back when I first received the 3D machine, Salvatore was 7 years old. > He [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Joel Come on Joel, you know I was just teasing.
We all know it was the price tag that put you off. <VBSEG>
Jan Who?
Where are my Hawaii plane tickets? Or are you still planning on driving us there?
carabelli
StovePipe - 12 Apr 2005 05:16 GMT carabelli <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote after JME's ho-ho's:
> > Ho-ho. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > We all know it was the price tag that put you off. <VBSEG> Why? How much does a standard (Regular) Jan cost?
> Where are my Hawaii plane tickets? Or are you still planning on driving us > there? Unless he got his hame changed to "Jesus".....
> carabelli SP
 Signature Finally: take out the TRASHH
StovePipe - 12 Apr 2005 02:34 GMT > We took an example scan > from the database rather than an actual patient restoration. I thought it > interesting that if I told him what to change and which tools to use, he > could create a perfect design at seven years of age. Not very difficult > software. Kids and computers: they are made for each other. SP
 Signature Finally: take out the TRASHH
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