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Get Your Cerec at Costco?

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Joel M. Eichen - 31 Mar 2005 01:19 GMT
See what I mean Dr. Steve?

We got to act very profesionally .....

See Flap's thread.

Joel

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From: "Gregory P. Cole, B.S., D.D.S." <drgregorycole.dds@verizon.net>
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Subject: Cerec 3D
To: "Shad Lewis" <shadlewis@comcast.net>
CC: "Joel Eeichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com>

   

FYI:
http://flapsblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/cerec-3d-at-costco-wal-mart-next.html



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Flap



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Dr Steve - 31 Mar 2005 19:33 GMT
I did not go the blog site.

Are you referring to the threat by Costco to begin placing CEREC clinics in
the stores?  I heard that they will be testing 1-2 stores this year.  It
might make it tough to convince a patient to have a crown down in two
visits, when they can get an onlay in one visit (probably cheaper) at
Coscto.  It could change dentistry as well know it.  Or, it could flop on
its face.  Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only.
Who knows?

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Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
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> See what I mean Dr. Steve?
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> Liberae sunt nostrae cogitationes
Vaughn - 01 Apr 2005 00:56 GMT
>I did not go the blog site.
>
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> change dentistry as well know it.  Or, it could flop on its face.  Odds are it
> will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows?

    They have been doing the same thing with optometry for many years, and my
optometrist does not seem to be starving.

   By the way, I hate Cosco in particular and have no use for that type of
store in general.  I see no reason to pay for the privilege of shopping
anywhere.  As for dentistry, if I wanted to get dentistry services from some
miscellaneous low-paid dentist that will likely not be there for my next
appointment, I would go to the mass storefront operation at our local mall.

Vaughn
Dr. Steve - 01 Apr 2005 05:26 GMT
>>I did not go the blog site.
>>
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>
>Vaughn

Agreed
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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Steven Fawks - 01 Apr 2005 17:21 GMT
All it will take for this venture to be successful is for the marketing
to convince patients that dentistry is a commodity.  If a Cerec
restoration is a Cerec restoration, is a Cerec restoration (or at least
in a consumer's eyes) it might work.

I don't think a Cerec machine will make a mediocre dentist into a
superior one.  However, Costco won't be marketing as providing
superior dental *service*, they will be marketing lower cost, single
visit, Cerec *restorations*.  They will focus on the Cerec machine as
being the key ingredient, not who is treating the consumer (not much
of a patient at this point).

If people can be 'sold' on the idea that a machine producing a
restoration is more important than the person who provides the
diagnosis, anesthesia, preparation, and cementation, it might work.

If they created a significant demand for Cerec restorations, it wouldn't
be much of a problem to get one myself.

JMHO,
Fawks

>>>Are you referring to the threat by Costco to begin placing CEREC clinics in
>>>the stores?  I heard that they will be testing 1-2 stores this year.  It might
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> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Vaughn - 02 Apr 2005 02:02 GMT
> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows?

    I suppose you have given the practice possibilities of Cerec lots of
thought.  If you had one machine, one dentist, and one or two well-trained
computer geek/dental lab techs to serve the machine, how many chairs could you
keep going in a mass operation like that?

Vaughn
DrSteve - 02 Apr 2005 03:26 GMT
>> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows?
>
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>
> Vaughn

If you did not have to spend time treatment planning or doing diagnosis,
then one dentist could work three rooms with one acquisition unit and two
milling units.
W_B - 04 Apr 2005 16:43 GMT
>> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows?
>
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>
>Vaughn

Two.
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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
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Dr Steve - 04 Apr 2005 19:29 GMT
If you had two milling machines, you could attach a battery backup to the
acquisition unit so that you can un-plug it and move it from room to room
without interrupting the data stream to the milling machine.  You could
prep, scan, design, start mill in room #1, go to room #2 and do the same
thing, by the time you were ready to mill in room #3 the first one would be
done.  This would require that you allow a staff person to play Lab-Tech and
do the design work while you are prepping or bonding.

With one acquisition unit and one milling machine, you can easily keep two
rooms busy as George pointed out.  If the DA is a RDA, many states will
allow her to do the scan and the trial fitting of the porcelain restoration.
The doctor would only need to the anesthetize, prep, and bond.  If people
don't mind getting treated a bit like cattle, this thing can be turned into
quite the assembly line.

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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>>> Odds are it will find its own niche and fill that niche only. Who knows?
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Roy Brown - 08 Apr 2005 06:11 GMT
The design work could be done off site freeing up your staff for other duties.

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| If you had two milling machines, you could attach a battery backup to the
| acquisition unit so that you can un-plug it and move it from room to room
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| > Take out the G'RBAGE
| > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Dr. Steve - 08 Apr 2005 18:23 GMT
>The design work could be done off site freeing up your staff for other duties.

Very large file sizes to  Send out & receive Plus, You want the design
done by some one who has looked in the patient's mouth.
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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
StovePipe - 09 Apr 2005 21:50 GMT
> Very large file sizes to  Send out & receive Plus, You want the design
> done by some one who has looked in the patient's mouth.

You mean his/her mother?
SP
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Dr Steve - 11 Apr 2005 20:34 GMT
Back when I first received the 3D machine,  Salvatore was 7 years old.  He
was hanging out at the office while Mrs. Steve was taking care of paperwork
or something.  I told him to take the track-ball on the CEREC machine and
design a crown.  I stood behind him telling him which design parameter to
change and how to do it, but let him figure out how much to change each one.
When he was done, we milled a perfect upper cuspid.  We took an example scan
from the database rather than an actual patient restoration.  I thought it
interesting that if I told him what to change and which tools to use, he
could create a perfect design at seven years of age.  Not very difficult
software.

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....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>> Very large file sizes to  Send out & receive Plus, You want the design
>> done by some one who has looked in the patient's mouth.
>
> You mean his/her mother?
> SP
carabelli - 11 Apr 2005 20:51 GMT
> Back when I first received the 3D machine,  Salvatore was 7 years old.  He
> was hanging out at the office while Mrs. Steve was taking care of paperwork
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> interesting that if I told him what to change and which tools to use, he
> could create a perfect design at seven years of age.  ........

Now I understand why Joel never got one.

carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 11 Apr 2005 21:18 GMT
> > Back when I first received the 3D machine,  Salvatore was 7 years old.  He
> > was hanging out at the office while Mrs. Steve was taking care of
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> carabelli

Ho-ho.

Good one. We are slammin' Jan not me here.

Joel
Flap - 11 Apr 2005 23:52 GMT
Well, doesn't Patterson claim they can teach a monkey to design a Cerec
crown?

Or is that why there are so many advanced TRAINERS?.....LOL......

Flap

http://flapsblog.blogspot.com
carabelli - 12 Apr 2005 01:46 GMT
>> > Back when I first received the 3D machine,  Salvatore was 7 years old.
> He
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> Joel

Come on Joel, you know I was just teasing.

We all know it was the price tag that put you off. <VBSEG>

Jan Who?

Where are my Hawaii plane tickets? Or are you still planning on driving us
there?

carabelli
StovePipe - 12 Apr 2005 05:16 GMT
carabelli <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote after JME's ho-ho's:

> > Ho-ho.
> >
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>
> We all know it was the price tag that put you off. <VBSEG>

Why? How much does a standard (Regular) Jan cost?

> Where are my Hawaii plane tickets? Or are you still planning on driving us
> there?

Unless he got his hame changed to "Jesus".....

> carabelli

SP
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StovePipe - 12 Apr 2005 02:34 GMT
>  We took an example scan
> from the database rather than an actual patient restoration.  I thought it
> interesting that if I told him what to change and which tools to use, he
> could create a perfect design at seven years of age.  Not very difficult
> software.

Kids and computers: they are made for each other.
SP
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