i was just wondering why teeth that have had root canals abcess again ,
i have 3 teeth that have had root canal treatment several years ago
that have abcessed again .my dentist didnt have a reason for this , but
recommended extracting the teeth instead of retreating .
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 14:30 GMT
>i was just wondering why teeth that have had root canals abcess again ,
>i have 3 teeth that have had root canal treatment several years ago
>that have abcessed again .my dentist didnt have a reason for this , but
>recommended extracting the teeth instead of retreating .
If we saw the x-ray we could comment more intelligently.
Normally teeth do not re-abscess .......
Joel
Do you have other missing teeth?
rsb - 17 Mar 2005 14:44 GMT
i have several other missing teeth , but when the 3 lower teeth are
extracted i will only have 4 lower teeth remaining 1 back molar , 2
canines and 1 premolar on the bottom . my dentist said he could make me
a very useable lower partial
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 18:11 GMT
>i have several other missing teeth , but when the 3 lower teeth are
>extracted i will only have 4 lower teeth remaining 1 back molar , 2
>canines and 1 premolar on the bottom . my dentist said he could make me
>a very useable lower partial
Okay if the teeth are truly non-salvageable then the partial denture
may be the route to go (with only four left in that arch).
So these are the four front teeth?
Any x-rays?
Joel
The Real Paul - 17 Mar 2005 15:56 GMT
Sometimes root canals fail due to leakage. Usually this is from not having a
crown placed on the root canalled tooth. Or, root canals can fail from
cracks developing in the roots. Or, the tooth may have been treated as well
as possible and yet some portion of the root canal system was not removed or
could not be found. This could lead to re-formation of an abscess.
> i was just wondering why teeth that have had root canals abcess again ,
> i have 3 teeth that have had root canal treatment several years ago
> that have abcessed again .my dentist didnt have a reason for this , but
> recommended extracting the teeth instead of retreating .
rsb - 17 Mar 2005 16:23 GMT
does retreatment usually work for an extended period of time ? or do
they need it again eventually?
all 3 teeth had a crown put on shortly after root canal.
Dr Steve - 17 Mar 2005 16:31 GMT
IF the crown seals well and the patient does not allow any decay to begin on
the root surface, and the patient does not forcibly grind/clench at night,
and the root did not have a fracture in it prior to the first RCT, then the
re-treatment should last for decades. Assuming the re-treatment is due to
the RCT not being well enough cleaned out and filled the first time.

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> does retreatment usually work for an extended period of time ? or do
> they need it again eventually?
> all 3 teeth had a crown put on shortly after root canal.
The Real Paul - 17 Mar 2005 16:39 GMT
I've heard re-treats are 70% effective while first treats are 90-95%
effective YMMV
> IF the crown seals well and the patient does not allow any decay to begin on
> the root surface, and the patient does not forcibly grind/clench at night,
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> > they need it again eventually?
> > all 3 teeth had a crown put on shortly after root canal.
rsb - 17 Mar 2005 16:53 GMT
so what you are saying is that even after all the expense and time for
retreating some times the tooth still has to be extracted ?
Dr Steve - 17 Mar 2005 17:00 GMT
Extreme variability in the human race from one specimen to the next. No
guarantees in health care.

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> so what you are saying is that even after all the expense and time for
> retreating some times the tooth still has to be extracted ?
W_B - 17 Mar 2005 18:14 GMT
>so what you are saying is that even after all the expense and time for
>retreating some times the tooth still has to be extracted ?
Each case is unique and sucess of re-treatment largely
depends on the cause of failure.
Get evaluated by an endodontist ASAP.
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Dr Steve - 17 Mar 2005 16:59 GMT
I think the lower figure the second time around is due to the number of RCT
failures not related to the actual RCT procedure (fractures, caries, etc.)

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> I've heard re-treats are 70% effective while first treats are 90-95%
> effective YMMV
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>> > they need it again eventually?
>> > all 3 teeth had a crown put on shortly after root canal.
The Real Paul - 17 Mar 2005 17:09 GMT
I agree with that
> I think the lower figure the second time around is due to the number of RCT
> failures not related to the actual RCT procedure (fractures, caries, etc.)
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> >> > they need it again eventually?
> >> > all 3 teeth had a crown put on shortly after root canal.
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 18:12 GMT
>IF the crown seals well and the patient does not allow any decay to begin on
>the root surface, and the patient does not forcibly grind/clench at night,
>and the root did not have a fracture in it prior to the first RCT, then the
>re-treatment should last for decades. Assuming the re-treatment is due to
>the RCT not being well enough cleaned out and filled the first time.
Parafunction???
W_B - 17 Mar 2005 18:08 GMT
>does retreatment usually work for an extended period of time ?
depends, each case is unique.
>or do
>they need it again eventually?
Chance of sucess decreases with the number of operative procedures.
>all 3 teeth had a crown put on shortly after root canal.
I still say get a consult with an endodontist.
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Emma Anne - 17 Mar 2005 18:39 GMT
> Sometimes root canals fail due to leakage. Usually this is from not having a
> crown placed on the root canalled tooth. Or, root canals can fail from
> cracks developing in the roots.
Uh oh. If a person had a crown that broke and cracked, her root canal
might abcess? If this happened, would she need another root canal? I
have a bad feeling about this . . .
Dr Steve - 17 Mar 2005 18:57 GMT
It depends on a lot of things. Mostly how long the RCT filling (gutta
percha rubber) is exposed to saliva.

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>> Sometimes root canals fail due to leakage. Usually this is from not
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> might abcess? If this happened, would she need another root canal? I
> have a bad feeling about this . . .
W_B - 17 Mar 2005 20:21 GMT
>It depends on a lot of things. Mostly how long the RCT filling (gutta
>percha rubber) is exposed to saliva.
Modern endodontic theory suggests that if the
gp is exposed to saliva the RCT should be retreated.
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W_B - 17 Mar 2005 20:20 GMT
>> Sometimes root canals fail due to leakage. Usually this is from not having a
>> crown placed on the root canalled tooth. Or, root canals can fail from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>might abcess? If this happened, would she need another root canal? I
>have a bad feeling about this . . .
Read again, if the root cracks, not the crown.
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W_B - 17 Mar 2005 18:03 GMT
>i was just wondering why teeth that have had root canals abcess again ,
>i have 3 teeth that have had root canal treatment several years ago
>that have abcessed again .my dentist didnt have a reason for this , but
>recommended extracting the teeth instead of retreating .
Go see an endodontist, a specialist in root canal treatment.
There are many reasons for failure, impossible to tell from here.
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