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LadyLollipop - 17 Mar 2005 06:49 GMT
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Review of NICO Follow-up Studies

Several follow-up studies are published (Table 1) relative to patients who
have had surgical curettage of bone marrow damaged by ischemia, infarction
or low-grade inflammation.  These were almost all informal surveys with the
surgeon asking the patients how they were doing.  The investigations by
Roberts et al. were conducted by mailed survey, a step in the right
direction.  The 1995 study by Bouquot & Christian (Table 2) was the only one
to not use the patients' surgeons to ask the questions, it was a mailed
survey which was returned to a researcher who was unknown to them.  It was
further unique in that it guaranteed anonymity, used a standard pain
assessment instrument (the McGill Pain Survey), incorporated multiple
questions designed to identify patients providing inconsistent data, and had
follow-up as long as 18 years.

Comparison of NICO follow-up studies with those for trigeminal neuralgia
The "gold standard" for facial pain follow-up studies, excluding those
relating to the temporomandibular joint disorders, is the collective body of
clinical studies of patients with trigeminal neuralgia, a pain disorder
which is more precisely defined than most others and one which has been
studied much longer and more extensively than others.  This gold standard is
considerably flawed.  Of the 85+ trigeminal neuralgia studies published up
to 1998, many had such brief sections on methods & materials that it is now
impossible to say how the study was performed...some had no methods section
at all. Almost all studies were simple searches of the medical records of
affected patients, a technique with obvious biases relative to the patient
telling the doctor what the doctor wants to hear, the doctor hearing only
what he or she wants to hear, etc. These are all honest mistakes but
undoubtedly give a more positive outcome that anonymous surveys which
guarantee anonymity.   In fact, only two studies used mailed surveys and
only one used an established pain questionnaire/instrument.  The best
studies were those which compared two different treatment modalities, but
these are different types of studies and excluded from the present
discussion.   References will eventually be posted here.

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Table 1: Listing of all published follow-up studies of NICO patients.
References can be found at end of this page.

     Author(s)  Year  Country  Number
     Patients  Median Post-Operative
     Pain Reduction
     Ratner et al. 1976 USA 26 * 100%
     Ratner et al. 1979 USA 61 * 93
     Roberts et al. 1979 USA 42 * 100
     Shaber et al. 1980 USA 8 100
     Mathis et al. 1981 USA 8 100
     Wang et al.  1982 China 103 100
     Demerath,Sist 1982 USA 29 50
     Roberts et al. 1984 USA 208 * 95
     Grecko,Puzin 1984 Russia 65 100
     Ratner et al. 1986 USA 1300 * 85
     McMahan et al. 1991 USA 48 80
     Bouquot, Christian 1995 USA 103 72

   * overlapping patient pools, i.e. some patients probably reported in
multiple papers.

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Table 2: Results of surgical curettage of jawbone NICO (Neuralgia-Induced
Cavitational Osteonecrosis) lesions, an average of 4.5 years after last
surgery, in 103 patients with "idiopathic" chronic facial pain for an
average of 6 years (range: 2-18 years) prior to NICO surgery.

Reference: Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage
on the pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397.

     Follow-up Rating Reduction % Pain Reduction Status of Pain % of Total
Cases
     0 0-10 % No improvement 8.8
     1 11-33 Minimal improvement 2.9
     2 34-75 Moderate improvement 15.5
     3 76-99 Considerable improvement ** 13.6
     4 100 No pain 59.2
     Total:
    100.0 %

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References

Ratner EJ, Person P, Kleinman DJ: Oral pathology and trigeminal neuralgia.
I. Clinical experiences. J Dent Res 1976; 55:299 (abst).

Ratner EJ, Person P, Kleinman DJ, et al: Jawbone cavities and trigeminal and
atypical facial neuralgias. Oral Surg 19794; 48:3-20.

Roberts AM, Person P: Etiology and treatment of idiopathic trigeminal and
atypical facial neuralgias. Oral Surg 1979; 48:298-308.

Shaber EP, Krol AJ: Trigeminal neuralgia -- a new treatment concept. Oral
Surg 1980; 49:286-293.

Mathis BJ, Oatis GW, Grisius RJ: Jaw bone cavities associated with facial
pain syndromes: case reports. Milit Med 1981; 146:719-723.

Wang M, Xiwei J, Qingrong I, Sanyou Z: [A study of the relation between the
various trigger zones of idiopathic trigeminal neuralgia and jaw bone
cavities]. Acta Acad Med Sichuan 1982; 13:233-238.

Demerath RR, Sist T: Treatment of osteocavitation lesions in facial pain
patients: preliminary results. J Dent Res1982; 61:218.

Grecko VE, Puzin MN: [Odontogenic trigeminal neuralgia] Zh Nevropathol
Psikhiatr 1984; 84(11):1655-1658.

Roberts AM, Person P, Chandran NB, Hori JM: Further observations on dental
parameters of trigeminal and atypical facial neuralgias. Oral Surg 1984; 58:
121-129.

Ratner EJ, Langer B, Evins ML: Alveolar cavitational osteopathosis --  
manifestations of an infectious process and its implication in the causation
of chronic pain. J Periodontol 1986; 57:593-603.

McMahon RE, Griep J, Marfurt C: Local anesthetic effects in the presence of
chronic osteomyelitis (necrosis) of the mandible: implications for
localizing the etiologic site(s) of referred trigeminal pain. Anesth
Prog1991; 38:189.

Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the pain
of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397.
John Chewter - 17 Mar 2005 21:05 GMT
The latest one there is 10 years old

Sorry but this is not news.

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> Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the
> pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397.
LadyLollipop - 18 Mar 2005 06:14 GMT
> The latest one there is 10 years old
>
> Sorry but this is not news.

Do post some news, John.

LL

>> http://maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOfollow.htm
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>> Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the
>> pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397.
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 13:44 GMT
>> The latest one there is 10 years old
>>
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>
>LL

Do post something truthful Jan!

Joel
Tony Bad - 18 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT
> >> The latest one there is 10 years old
> >>
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>
> Joel

Here is some news...

http://www.casewatch.org/mal/shen.shtml

General dentists James Shen, DDS and Rily Young, DDS of Huntington,
California and oral pathologist Jerry E. Bouquot, D.D.S. of Houston, Texas
are facing lawsuits alleging that in 1999 and 2000 they acted negligently
and conspired to defraud four patients by diagnosing nonexistent jaw
problems. In each case, the plaintiff sought help for multiple symptoms,
some of which (such as tooth and jaw pain) could have been related to dental
problems and others of which (such as sinusitis and chest pain) that were
outside of the scope of dentistry. In all four cases, Shen and Young
diagnosed "cavitations," removed jaw tissues alleged to contain them, and
sent specimens to Bouquot who confirmed the alleged diagnosis.

Shen and Young are among a small number of dentists who maintain that facial
pain and even pain and diseases located far from the mouth are caused by
cavities (cavitations) within the jaw bones and can be cured by locating and
scraping out the affected tissues. They may also remove all
root-canal-treated teeth as well as other teeth close to the area where they
claim the problem exists. Bouquot coined the term "NICO" in the 1980s.

There is no scientific evidence to support the diagnostic and treatment
methods associated with the NICO concept. The lawsuits allege:

The patients' jaw tissues were healthy and should not have been biopsied or
removed.
Three of the patients each had at least five teeth removed unnecessarily.
All of the plaintiffs have required extensive medical and surgical treatment
to repair jaw damage and disfigurement caused by the NICO surgery.
Shen and Young should have advised medical referral for many of the
plaintiffs' symptoms.

http://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-66/issue-10/564.html

Jaw Cavitations (NICO)

The controversial proposal of a low-grade, non-suppurative, radiographically
"invisible" osteomyelitis presenting as a jawbone cavity associated with
facial pain and trigeminal neuralgia was first described more than 20 years
ago.8 The current version of this concept, so-called neuralgia-inducing
cavitational osteonecrosis (NICO),9 has evolved into an even more
controversial issue that remains unproven and associated with iatrogenic
harm.

Papers supporting "scientific" aspects of NICO have been published in
peer-reviewed mainstream journals. The publications offer changing
explanations with only anecdotal case reports and no definitive etiology,
biochemistry, histopathology, neuropathology or diagnosable clinical
features meeting scientific standards of proof, while advocating repeated
surgical procedures for diagnosis and therapy,10 also without proof of
effectiveness. At present, the existence of NICO as a clinical entity
remains unproven and unaccepted by the majority of science-based
practitioners.11,12 NICO must be evaluated by well-designed studies; until
then, unproven concepts should not be the basis for invasive dental surgical
procedures.

The dubious theory of NICO surgery has been promoted beyond reason by some
practitioners as a cure for arthritis, heart disease, immune disorders and
many pain conditions, again without supporting evidence. The concept of
surgically detecting and removing jawbone "cavitations" has been further
expanded to advocate removal of all root canal-treated teeth and even vital
teeth close to the "cavitation" or "toxic areas."13 A dentist was issued a
Letter of Censure by a provincial regulatory authority for proposing to
extract 6 teeth restored with root canal fillings based on the diagnosis of
pathological jawbone cavities - cavities that a panel of dentists could not
detect clinically or radiographically.14 Tragically, the death of an avid
believer in unconventional medicine (UM) who died of recurrent disseminated
breast cancer was attributed to jawbone "cavitations" by UM supporters.15
NICO is an example of unconventional dentistry (UD) that is less
conservative, more invasive, riskier, less effective and more expensive than
conventional dentistry.
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 19:47 GMT
THANKS!

Joel

>> >> The latest one there is 10 years old
>> >>
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>conservative, more invasive, riskier, less effective and more expensive than
>conventional dentistry.
Steven Bornfeld - 18 Mar 2005 20:54 GMT
    From what I've heard, Bouquot is a sincere true believer.  He is most
prominent for his positions re: NICO, but in general it seems that he is
for the most part held in high regard among oral pathologists.
    It's one of those funny things.  Sometimes issues become polarized
between the true believers and those who hear the conventional wisdom so
often they can be called "true disbelievers".  At that point the issue
leaves the realm of science and enters the realm of theology.
    There are clearly things about bone metabolism (and other biologic
phenomena) that aren't fully understood--as with the boney ramifications
of bis-phosphonate use.  Sometimes the label (as with NICO) turns what
should be a legitimate exercise in medical investigation into a
political rally.
    Recently, our daughter developed Fifth Disease (erythema infectiosum),
a usually mild viral disease caused by parvovirus B19.  Looking it up, I
found that it was called "Fifth disease" because it was the fifth of 6
diseases characterized by macular rashes, usually in children.

http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/exanthems.htm

    It also turns out that "fourth disease" (also called Duke's disease) is
commonly now thought not to really exist as a clinical entity.  Now, to
my way of thinking, this should move fifth disease and sixth disease
(roseola) up one place.  However, it appears that fourth place is still
occupied by a non-existant disease.
    Maybe NICO will turn out to be a diagnosis built on common clinical
characteristics of what are other bone diseases--or not.  Right now
maybe they should give it a number, and folks wouldn't get so upset.

Steve

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Tony Bad - 18 Mar 2005 21:36 GMT
> From what I've heard, Bouquot is a sincere true believer.  He is most
> prominent for his positions re: NICO, but in general it seems that he is
> for the most part held in high regard among oral pathologists.

I think you had made mention of this before, and I have no reason to doubt
his sincerity or qualifications. I don't know what role he has played in the
devlopment of the treatment protocol that has often been associated with
NICO, or even if he approves of it, but I DO have doubts about that aspect
of the issue. I also have doubts about any condition that can seemingly be
diagnosed by only one pathologist in one location. It seems to be a
condition where it is impossible to get a second opinion...and that sends up
a red flag no matter what the condition is called.

T
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Mar 2005 03:44 GMT
>>From what I've heard, Bouquot is a sincere true believer.  He is most
>>prominent for his positions re: NICO, but in general it seems that he is
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>
> T

    Sure.  Are you certain it's only one lab diagnosing it?

Steve

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Tony Bad - 19 Mar 2005 04:18 GMT
> Sure.  Are you certain it's only one lab diagnosing it?
>
> Steve

I have personal knowledge of only two cases, both in the Los Angeles area. A
husband and wife who were patients of one of the few classmates from dental
school I keep in touch with. The wife went to a doctor for help with chronic
facial pain problems and they removed half her teeth and left her a dental
cripple. The husband, who was asymptomatic, was also convinced his
cavitations needed treatment, and also lost several teeth. The wife had no
long term benefit from the care. Both cases went through the WV lab in
question, which in itself seemed odd, as there are several notable path labs
in the state of CA.

This piqued my interest in the subject, and as I have looked into it, and
done some checking into offices that treat this condition, every one has had
some connection to the same lab. If you google NICO, and check out sites of
dental offices that treat this condition, they all make mention of the same
lab providing microscopic analysis. Also notable is that the web sites of
offices involved in the treatment of NICO are also almost always the type of
practices that label themselves as holistic and describe dentistry as that
label implies. Interestingly, you can look up these dental offices and find
some in places like England, Germany, Indonesia, India, and other locales,
and within a few clicks the name of one of a handful of doctors (often cited
by posters on this board) will pop up.

I have also spoken with a few notable pathologists who are on the lecture
circuit when there were a few moments for questions after the lecture, and
all of them pretty much had no comment on the subject, however, one broke
into a big smile and asked why I was asking. Not sure what that meant. I
would have liked to have heard more of what they thought, but felt funny
bringing up such a limited interest topic in a room full of a few hundred
dentists.

As you point out, there is certainly a possibility that "NICO" will evolve
into something significant, but at this point, I have some
reservations...then again, people tell me I am an awful cynic.

T
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Mar 2005 13:19 GMT
>As you point out, there is certainly a possibility that "NICO" will evolve
>into something significant, but at this point, I have some
>reservations...then again, people tell me I am an awful cynic.

NICO is RICO stuff.
John Chewter - 19 Mar 2005 14:13 GMT
is the Costa Nico any good?

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>
>>As you point out, there is certainly a possibility that "NICO" will evolve
>>into something significant, but at this point, I have some
>>reservations...then again, people tell me I am an awful cynic.
>
> NICO is RICO stuff.
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Mar 2005 14:29 GMT
>is the Costa Nico any good?

Costa LOT?
John Chewter - 19 Mar 2005 16:40 GMT
Costa Del Fortune

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>>is the Costa Nico any good?
>
> Costa LOT?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Mar 2005 17:02 GMT
>>Sure.  Are you certain it's only one lab diagnosing it?
>>
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>
> T

    I agree with your general impression.  I have also spoken with
well-known oral pathologists (but not for attribution--it's a small
club, and they want to get along).

Steve

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W_B - 21 Mar 2005 17:21 GMT
>Right now
>maybe they should give it a number, and folks wouldn't get so upset.
>
>Steve

OK, let's call it ' Zero' disease.
All for naught.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
John Chewter - 18 Mar 2005 16:40 GMT
Pregnancy Complication Associated With Periodontal Destruction
CHICAGO - March 2, 2005 - Periodontal inflammation plays a possible role in
the development of preeclampsia, a potentially deadly condition that affects
approximately 5 percent of U. S. pregnancies, according to a study in the
Journal of Periodontology. Study Abstract *
"This finding may pave the way for screening and treating periodontal
disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of preeclampsia,"
said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president.

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>>> The latest one there is 10 years old
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>
> Joel
W_B - 18 Mar 2005 17:14 GMT
>Pregnancy Complication Associated With Periodontal Destruction
>CHICAGO - March 2, 2005 - Periodontal inflammation plays a possible role in
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>disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of preeclampsia,"
>said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president.

Ignores the fact that during pregnancy the patient is more
susceptible to periodontal problems.

Excellent hygiene prevents such problems.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
LadyLollipop - 18 Mar 2005 17:50 GMT
Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???

LL

> Pregnancy Complication Associated With Periodontal Destruction
> CHICAGO - March 2, 2005 - Periodontal inflammation plays a possible role
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>> Joel
John Chewter - 18 Mar 2005 18:25 GMT
There are two in the post

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> Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???
>
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>>>
>>> Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 19:47 GMT
>Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???
>
>LL

No, its disorganized dentistry ....... or possibly
alt.health.care.provider.of.dental.care.
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 20:58 GMT
>>Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???
>>
>>LL
>
>No, its disorganized dentistry ....... or possibly
>alt.health.care.provider.of.dental.care.

Jan has disorganized dentistry confused with disorganized nursery
schools ... ALL OF THEM!
John Chewter - 18 Mar 2005 20:09 GMT
No, its for those with an open mind, an IQ with least two figures who know
some big words .

Gee -  I was kind and used little words.

'Jan Drew ... welcoming new ideas with an open.............

.....mouth.
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> Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???
>
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>>> Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 20:59 GMT
>No, its for those with an open mind, an IQ with least two figures who know
>some big words .
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>.....mouth.

Can't badmouth her ...... her IQ may be only 50% of her weight ....

Jan, 50% means half ......

Joel
LadyLollipop - 19 Mar 2005 04:22 GMT
>> Url Please?

That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???

>> LL
>>
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>>> disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of
>>> preeclampsia," said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president.
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Mar 2005 04:23 GMT
>>> Url Please?
>
>That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???

That came from disorganized chiropractic.

>>> LL
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>>> disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of
>>>> preeclampsia," said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president.
 
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