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LadyLollipop - 17 Mar 2005 06:49 GMT http://maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOfollow.htm
Review of NICO Follow-up Studies
Several follow-up studies are published (Table 1) relative to patients who have had surgical curettage of bone marrow damaged by ischemia, infarction or low-grade inflammation. These were almost all informal surveys with the surgeon asking the patients how they were doing. The investigations by Roberts et al. were conducted by mailed survey, a step in the right direction. The 1995 study by Bouquot & Christian (Table 2) was the only one to not use the patients' surgeons to ask the questions, it was a mailed survey which was returned to a researcher who was unknown to them. It was further unique in that it guaranteed anonymity, used a standard pain assessment instrument (the McGill Pain Survey), incorporated multiple questions designed to identify patients providing inconsistent data, and had follow-up as long as 18 years.
Comparison of NICO follow-up studies with those for trigeminal neuralgia The "gold standard" for facial pain follow-up studies, excluding those relating to the temporomandibular joint disorders, is the collective body of clinical studies of patients with trigeminal neuralgia, a pain disorder which is more precisely defined than most others and one which has been studied much longer and more extensively than others. This gold standard is considerably flawed. Of the 85+ trigeminal neuralgia studies published up to 1998, many had such brief sections on methods & materials that it is now impossible to say how the study was performed...some had no methods section at all. Almost all studies were simple searches of the medical records of affected patients, a technique with obvious biases relative to the patient telling the doctor what the doctor wants to hear, the doctor hearing only what he or she wants to hear, etc. These are all honest mistakes but undoubtedly give a more positive outcome that anonymous surveys which guarantee anonymity. In fact, only two studies used mailed surveys and only one used an established pain questionnaire/instrument. The best studies were those which compared two different treatment modalities, but these are different types of studies and excluded from the present discussion. References will eventually be posted here.
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Table 1: Listing of all published follow-up studies of NICO patients. References can be found at end of this page.
Author(s) Year Country Number Patients Median Post-Operative Pain Reduction Ratner et al. 1976 USA 26 * 100% Ratner et al. 1979 USA 61 * 93 Roberts et al. 1979 USA 42 * 100 Shaber et al. 1980 USA 8 100 Mathis et al. 1981 USA 8 100 Wang et al. 1982 China 103 100 Demerath,Sist 1982 USA 29 50 Roberts et al. 1984 USA 208 * 95 Grecko,Puzin 1984 Russia 65 100 Ratner et al. 1986 USA 1300 * 85 McMahan et al. 1991 USA 48 80 Bouquot, Christian 1995 USA 103 72
* overlapping patient pools, i.e. some patients probably reported in multiple papers.
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Table 2: Results of surgical curettage of jawbone NICO (Neuralgia-Induced Cavitational Osteonecrosis) lesions, an average of 4.5 years after last surgery, in 103 patients with "idiopathic" chronic facial pain for an average of 6 years (range: 2-18 years) prior to NICO surgery.
Reference: Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397.
Follow-up Rating Reduction % Pain Reduction Status of Pain % of Total Cases 0 0-10 % No improvement 8.8 1 11-33 Minimal improvement 2.9 2 34-75 Moderate improvement 15.5 3 76-99 Considerable improvement ** 13.6 4 100 No pain 59.2 Total: 100.0 %
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References
Ratner EJ, Person P, Kleinman DJ: Oral pathology and trigeminal neuralgia. I. Clinical experiences. J Dent Res 1976; 55:299 (abst).
Ratner EJ, Person P, Kleinman DJ, et al: Jawbone cavities and trigeminal and atypical facial neuralgias. Oral Surg 19794; 48:3-20.
Roberts AM, Person P: Etiology and treatment of idiopathic trigeminal and atypical facial neuralgias. Oral Surg 1979; 48:298-308.
Shaber EP, Krol AJ: Trigeminal neuralgia -- a new treatment concept. Oral Surg 1980; 49:286-293.
Mathis BJ, Oatis GW, Grisius RJ: Jaw bone cavities associated with facial pain syndromes: case reports. Milit Med 1981; 146:719-723.
Wang M, Xiwei J, Qingrong I, Sanyou Z: [A study of the relation between the various trigger zones of idiopathic trigeminal neuralgia and jaw bone cavities]. Acta Acad Med Sichuan 1982; 13:233-238.
Demerath RR, Sist T: Treatment of osteocavitation lesions in facial pain patients: preliminary results. J Dent Res1982; 61:218.
Grecko VE, Puzin MN: [Odontogenic trigeminal neuralgia] Zh Nevropathol Psikhiatr 1984; 84(11):1655-1658.
Roberts AM, Person P, Chandran NB, Hori JM: Further observations on dental parameters of trigeminal and atypical facial neuralgias. Oral Surg 1984; 58: 121-129.
Ratner EJ, Langer B, Evins ML: Alveolar cavitational osteopathosis -- manifestations of an infectious process and its implication in the causation of chronic pain. J Periodontol 1986; 57:593-603.
McMahon RE, Griep J, Marfurt C: Local anesthetic effects in the presence of chronic osteomyelitis (necrosis) of the mandible: implications for localizing the etiologic site(s) of referred trigeminal pain. Anesth Prog1991; 38:189.
Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397.
John Chewter - 17 Mar 2005 21:05 GMT The latest one there is 10 years old
Sorry but this is not news.
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> http://maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOfollow.htm > [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the > pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397. LadyLollipop - 18 Mar 2005 06:14 GMT > The latest one there is 10 years old > > Sorry but this is not news. Do post some news, John.
LL
>> http://maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOfollow.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] >> Bouquot JE, Christian J. Long-term effects of jawbone curettage on the >> pain of facial neuralgia. J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1995; 53:387-397. Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 13:44 GMT >> The latest one there is 10 years old >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >LL Do post something truthful Jan!
Joel
Tony Bad - 18 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT > >> The latest one there is 10 years old > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joel Here is some news...
http://www.casewatch.org/mal/shen.shtml
General dentists James Shen, DDS and Rily Young, DDS of Huntington, California and oral pathologist Jerry E. Bouquot, D.D.S. of Houston, Texas are facing lawsuits alleging that in 1999 and 2000 they acted negligently and conspired to defraud four patients by diagnosing nonexistent jaw problems. In each case, the plaintiff sought help for multiple symptoms, some of which (such as tooth and jaw pain) could have been related to dental problems and others of which (such as sinusitis and chest pain) that were outside of the scope of dentistry. In all four cases, Shen and Young diagnosed "cavitations," removed jaw tissues alleged to contain them, and sent specimens to Bouquot who confirmed the alleged diagnosis.
Shen and Young are among a small number of dentists who maintain that facial pain and even pain and diseases located far from the mouth are caused by cavities (cavitations) within the jaw bones and can be cured by locating and scraping out the affected tissues. They may also remove all root-canal-treated teeth as well as other teeth close to the area where they claim the problem exists. Bouquot coined the term "NICO" in the 1980s.
There is no scientific evidence to support the diagnostic and treatment methods associated with the NICO concept. The lawsuits allege:
The patients' jaw tissues were healthy and should not have been biopsied or removed. Three of the patients each had at least five teeth removed unnecessarily. All of the plaintiffs have required extensive medical and surgical treatment to repair jaw damage and disfigurement caused by the NICO surgery. Shen and Young should have advised medical referral for many of the plaintiffs' symptoms.
http://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-66/issue-10/564.html
Jaw Cavitations (NICO)
The controversial proposal of a low-grade, non-suppurative, radiographically "invisible" osteomyelitis presenting as a jawbone cavity associated with facial pain and trigeminal neuralgia was first described more than 20 years ago.8 The current version of this concept, so-called neuralgia-inducing cavitational osteonecrosis (NICO),9 has evolved into an even more controversial issue that remains unproven and associated with iatrogenic harm.
Papers supporting "scientific" aspects of NICO have been published in peer-reviewed mainstream journals. The publications offer changing explanations with only anecdotal case reports and no definitive etiology, biochemistry, histopathology, neuropathology or diagnosable clinical features meeting scientific standards of proof, while advocating repeated surgical procedures for diagnosis and therapy,10 also without proof of effectiveness. At present, the existence of NICO as a clinical entity remains unproven and unaccepted by the majority of science-based practitioners.11,12 NICO must be evaluated by well-designed studies; until then, unproven concepts should not be the basis for invasive dental surgical procedures.
The dubious theory of NICO surgery has been promoted beyond reason by some practitioners as a cure for arthritis, heart disease, immune disorders and many pain conditions, again without supporting evidence. The concept of surgically detecting and removing jawbone "cavitations" has been further expanded to advocate removal of all root canal-treated teeth and even vital teeth close to the "cavitation" or "toxic areas."13 A dentist was issued a Letter of Censure by a provincial regulatory authority for proposing to extract 6 teeth restored with root canal fillings based on the diagnosis of pathological jawbone cavities - cavities that a panel of dentists could not detect clinically or radiographically.14 Tragically, the death of an avid believer in unconventional medicine (UM) who died of recurrent disseminated breast cancer was attributed to jawbone "cavitations" by UM supporters.15 NICO is an example of unconventional dentistry (UD) that is less conservative, more invasive, riskier, less effective and more expensive than conventional dentistry.
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 19:47 GMT THANKS!
Joel
>> >> The latest one there is 10 years old >> >> [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >conservative, more invasive, riskier, less effective and more expensive than >conventional dentistry. Steven Bornfeld - 18 Mar 2005 20:54 GMT From what I've heard, Bouquot is a sincere true believer. He is most prominent for his positions re: NICO, but in general it seems that he is for the most part held in high regard among oral pathologists. It's one of those funny things. Sometimes issues become polarized between the true believers and those who hear the conventional wisdom so often they can be called "true disbelievers". At that point the issue leaves the realm of science and enters the realm of theology. There are clearly things about bone metabolism (and other biologic phenomena) that aren't fully understood--as with the boney ramifications of bis-phosphonate use. Sometimes the label (as with NICO) turns what should be a legitimate exercise in medical investigation into a political rally. Recently, our daughter developed Fifth Disease (erythema infectiosum), a usually mild viral disease caused by parvovirus B19. Looking it up, I found that it was called "Fifth disease" because it was the fifth of 6 diseases characterized by macular rashes, usually in children.
http://www.kcom.edu/faculty/chamberlain/exanthems.htm
It also turns out that "fourth disease" (also called Duke's disease) is commonly now thought not to really exist as a clinical entity. Now, to my way of thinking, this should move fifth disease and sixth disease (roseola) up one place. However, it appears that fourth place is still occupied by a non-existant disease. Maybe NICO will turn out to be a diagnosis built on common clinical characteristics of what are other bone diseases--or not. Right now maybe they should give it a number, and folks wouldn't get so upset.
Steve
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Tony Bad - 18 Mar 2005 21:36 GMT > From what I've heard, Bouquot is a sincere true believer. He is most > prominent for his positions re: NICO, but in general it seems that he is > for the most part held in high regard among oral pathologists. I think you had made mention of this before, and I have no reason to doubt his sincerity or qualifications. I don't know what role he has played in the devlopment of the treatment protocol that has often been associated with NICO, or even if he approves of it, but I DO have doubts about that aspect of the issue. I also have doubts about any condition that can seemingly be diagnosed by only one pathologist in one location. It seems to be a condition where it is impossible to get a second opinion...and that sends up a red flag no matter what the condition is called.
T
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Mar 2005 03:44 GMT >>From what I've heard, Bouquot is a sincere true believer. He is most >>prominent for his positions re: NICO, but in general it seems that he is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > T Sure. Are you certain it's only one lab diagnosing it?
Steve
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Tony Bad - 19 Mar 2005 04:18 GMT > Sure. Are you certain it's only one lab diagnosing it? > > Steve I have personal knowledge of only two cases, both in the Los Angeles area. A husband and wife who were patients of one of the few classmates from dental school I keep in touch with. The wife went to a doctor for help with chronic facial pain problems and they removed half her teeth and left her a dental cripple. The husband, who was asymptomatic, was also convinced his cavitations needed treatment, and also lost several teeth. The wife had no long term benefit from the care. Both cases went through the WV lab in question, which in itself seemed odd, as there are several notable path labs in the state of CA.
This piqued my interest in the subject, and as I have looked into it, and done some checking into offices that treat this condition, every one has had some connection to the same lab. If you google NICO, and check out sites of dental offices that treat this condition, they all make mention of the same lab providing microscopic analysis. Also notable is that the web sites of offices involved in the treatment of NICO are also almost always the type of practices that label themselves as holistic and describe dentistry as that label implies. Interestingly, you can look up these dental offices and find some in places like England, Germany, Indonesia, India, and other locales, and within a few clicks the name of one of a handful of doctors (often cited by posters on this board) will pop up.
I have also spoken with a few notable pathologists who are on the lecture circuit when there were a few moments for questions after the lecture, and all of them pretty much had no comment on the subject, however, one broke into a big smile and asked why I was asking. Not sure what that meant. I would have liked to have heard more of what they thought, but felt funny bringing up such a limited interest topic in a room full of a few hundred dentists.
As you point out, there is certainly a possibility that "NICO" will evolve into something significant, but at this point, I have some reservations...then again, people tell me I am an awful cynic.
T
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Mar 2005 13:19 GMT >As you point out, there is certainly a possibility that "NICO" will evolve >into something significant, but at this point, I have some >reservations...then again, people tell me I am an awful cynic. NICO is RICO stuff.
John Chewter - 19 Mar 2005 14:13 GMT is the Costa Nico any good?
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> >>As you point out, there is certainly a possibility that "NICO" will evolve >>into something significant, but at this point, I have some >>reservations...then again, people tell me I am an awful cynic. > > NICO is RICO stuff. Joel M. Eichen - 19 Mar 2005 14:29 GMT >is the Costa Nico any good? Costa LOT?
John Chewter - 19 Mar 2005 16:40 GMT Costa Del Fortune
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> >>is the Costa Nico any good? > > Costa LOT? Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Mar 2005 17:02 GMT >>Sure. Are you certain it's only one lab diagnosing it? >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > T I agree with your general impression. I have also spoken with well-known oral pathologists (but not for attribution--it's a small club, and they want to get along).
Steve
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W_B - 21 Mar 2005 17:21 GMT >Right now >maybe they should give it a number, and folks wouldn't get so upset. > >Steve OK, let's call it ' Zero' disease. All for naught. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
John Chewter - 18 Mar 2005 16:40 GMT Pregnancy Complication Associated With Periodontal Destruction CHICAGO - March 2, 2005 - Periodontal inflammation plays a possible role in the development of preeclampsia, a potentially deadly condition that affects approximately 5 percent of U. S. pregnancies, according to a study in the Journal of Periodontology. Study Abstract * "This finding may pave the way for screening and treating periodontal disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of preeclampsia," said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president.
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> >>> The latest one there is 10 years old [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Joel W_B - 18 Mar 2005 17:14 GMT >Pregnancy Complication Associated With Periodontal Destruction >CHICAGO - March 2, 2005 - Periodontal inflammation plays a possible role in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of preeclampsia," >said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president. Ignores the fact that during pregnancy the patient is more susceptible to periodontal problems.
Excellent hygiene prevents such problems. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
LadyLollipop - 18 Mar 2005 17:50 GMT Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???
LL
> Pregnancy Complication Associated With Periodontal Destruction > CHICAGO - March 2, 2005 - Periodontal inflammation plays a possible role [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Joel John Chewter - 18 Mar 2005 18:25 GMT There are two in the post
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> Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John??? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> Joel Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 19:47 GMT >Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John??? > >LL No, its disorganized dentistry ....... or possibly alt.health.care.provider.of.dental.care.
Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 20:58 GMT >>Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John??? >> >>LL > >No, its disorganized dentistry ....... or possibly >alt.health.care.provider.of.dental.care. Jan has disorganized dentistry confused with disorganized nursery schools ... ALL OF THEM!
John Chewter - 18 Mar 2005 20:09 GMT No, its for those with an open mind, an IQ with least two figures who know some big words .
Gee - I was kind and used little words.
'Jan Drew ... welcoming new ideas with an open.............
.....mouth.
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> Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John??? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> Joel Joel M. Eichen - 18 Mar 2005 20:59 GMT >No, its for those with an open mind, an IQ with least two figures who know >some big words . [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >.....mouth. Can't badmouth her ...... her IQ may be only 50% of her weight ....
Jan, 50% means half ......
Joel
LadyLollipop - 19 Mar 2005 04:22 GMT >> Url Please? That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John???
>> LL >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of >>> preeclampsia," said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president. Joel M. Eichen - 19 Mar 2005 04:23 GMT >>> Url Please? > >That wouldn't come for *organized dentistry* would it, John??? That came from disorganized chiropractic.
>>> LL >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>> disease as a preventive method to reduce the occurrence of >>>> preeclampsia," said Vincent J Iacono, DMD and AAP president.
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