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Root Canal - How Many Visits?

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wildatom@hotmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 20:46 GMT
Hello,

    My wife is currently having a root canal performed on two of her
back teeth. She's been to the dentist office 4 times now and have 3
visits left for them to complete the work (yes 7 visits total for to
root canals). As you know every visit cost's more and more, are we
getting taken here?

    Today the dentist came back with for additional $550 we can color
match her teeth with the new white crowns, this is something they never
told me about in the first place when I plopped down $1600 for the root
canals that are not finished yet.

Is this normal?
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Mar 2005 21:32 GMT
>Hello,
>
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>
>Is this normal?

How many root canals?
How many crowns?

How much dough?

Joel
wildatom@hotmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 22:06 GMT
2 root canals (teeth right next to each other)
2 crowns for those two teeth
$1600 so far
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Mar 2005 22:11 GMT
>2 root canals (teeth right next to each other)
>2 crowns for those two teeth
>$1600 so far

If they were my teeth I might want to know what the whole job will
cost start to finish before I begin ......
W_B - 16 Mar 2005 23:01 GMT
>>2 root canals (teeth right next to each other)
>>2 crowns for those two teeth
>>$1600 so far
>
>If they were my teeth I might want to know what the whole job will
>cost start to finish before I begin ......

As all of my patrons are informed before treatment starts.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Mar 2005 22:11 GMT
>2 root canals (teeth right next to each other)
>2 crowns for those two teeth
>$1600 so far

Basically what I said eliminates the "so far...."
DrSteve - 16 Mar 2005 22:15 GMT
Sounds like highly discounted treatment.  They may not be able to afford
doing the work in a normal fashion at that fee.

A single molar root canal treatment should be $750-$1000 [each].  Then,
there is a fee of $250-$400 to build up all the missing tooth structure
[center of tooth].  And, each crown would cost $800-$1100 each.

Normal standard of care, (2005) is to perform the entire root canal
treatment in one appointment.  Some offices are capable of performing the
root canal treatment and the crown all in one 2 hour appointment.

>2 root canals (teeth right next to each other)
> 2 crowns for those two teeth
> $1600 so far
W_B - 16 Mar 2005 23:03 GMT
>2 root canals (teeth right next to each other)
>2 crowns for those two teeth
>$1600 so far

In my office if these are molars the total fee
would be around $3,000
YMMV.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 16 Mar 2005 22:55 GMT
>Hello,
>
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>
>Is this normal?

Not in my office.

RCT is usually completed in one appt.
Doing more than one tooth is not uncommon
for me.

In fact I just finished 2 on the same patient.
#'s 19 and 20

Fees vary largely by geographic location.
A molar usually runs somewhere between $500 - 1,000 each.
A crown is a separate procedure and recommended after RCT.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 23:10 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Is this normal?

Do some research about root canals, not from mainstream *organized
dentistry*

http://www.toothwisdom.net/r.root_canals.html

http://www.integratedhealthpractice.com/treatment.asp#Root

 ll root cancel fillings have the potential to casue bad health. This is
because, althought the nerve has been removed, bacteria still colonise in
the minute tubules of a tooth. These bacteria produce toxins which enter the
body causing potential harm.
An area of residual infection which is left under the gum, usually
following, but sometimes a long time after an extraction can cause problems.
Symptoms can be coincided with the energetic links to the body as well as
localised problems.

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A
dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Toxicity from Root Canals

The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source
of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful;
however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic
type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the
flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation
is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many
more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you
want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are
said
to be the cadavers of the body.

I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to
their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at
the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable
substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out
against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the
patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.

>(San Francisco, CA) - For the first time anywhere, dentists will be
>required to post a warning about the dangers of mercury in their dental
>fillings. A California Superior court judge finalized the language for
>the warning to be posted in dentists' offices here today.

>The warning will read as follows:

>Notice to Patients, Proposition 65:

>Warning on dental amalgams, used in many dental fillings, causes exposure
>to mercury, a chemical known to the state of California to cause birth
>defects or other reproductive harm.

>Root canal treatments and restorations including fillings, crowns and
>bridges, use chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer.

>The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has studied the situation and
>approved for use all dental restorative materials.

>Consult your dentist to determine which materials are appropriate for your
>treatment.

>The exact language of the warning was argued and then finalized before
>Superior Court Judge James A. Robertson II between the California Dental
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>mercury dental fillings and root canals. The agreement also allows non-CDA
>dentists to opt in to the agreement and post the warning.

>The warning is the result of a lawsuit filed by The Law Offices of Shawn
>Khorrami on behalf of As You Sow, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated to
>advocacy and activism in the public interest.

>"This is the first admission by organized dentistry that amalgams pose a
>potential health risk," says Shawn Khorrami, lead attorney. "The only
>problem is that it's about 100 years too late."

>This California consent judgment follows on the heels of recent lawsuits
>filed in Georgia, Texas, Ohio and Los Angeles, California charging that
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>risks to certain users. Mercury, a highly toxic substance, is the most
>widely used substance in dental fillings today.

>The use of mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines also has been the source
>of the recent controversy in the Homeland Security legislation.

>Khorrami filed the lawsuit against Roger Fieldman D.D.S., Inc., the
>Citadel Dental Group, Inc. dental offices, dental laboratories and
>private dental schools and training programs with more than nine
>employees. The suit won the enforcement of Proposition 65, Safe Drinking
>Water and Toxics Enforcement Act [Health & Safety Code ? 25249.6].

>Proposition 65 requires that a clear and reasonable warning be provided to
>persons prior to their exposure to a chemical known to cause cancer or
>reproductive harm. This statute lists mercury, contained in dental
>amalgam, as a substance that can cause reproductive toxicity. The lawsuit
>was based on the absence of warnings to patients treated with amalgam
>restorative materials in dental offices.

>The judgment on Proposition 65 mandates that all dental offices with more
>than nine employees provide warnings on the dangers of Mercury dental
>fillings to patients. Those in non-compliance could incur a fine of up to
>$2,500 per day.

>Press may contact: Jackie Gladfelter at 650-218-1856 or D. Infusino at
>415-225-7970; call Attorney Shawn Khorrami at 818-947-5111.

>###

LL
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Mar 2005 23:46 GMT
>>     Today the dentist came back with for additional $550 we can color
>> match her teeth with the new white crowns, this is something they never
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>Do some research about root canals, not from mainstream *organized
>dentistry*

Jan, any dangers from r-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o-t canal
treatment? Any w-e-e-e-e-ee-e-e-e-b-b-b-b-s-s-s-ites?
DrSteve - 17 Mar 2005 01:19 GMT
Make sure you understand that the LollipopLady is aka Jan Drew.  Look up her
history of posting and her history of insults.  Then, act appropriately for
your own peace of mind.  Remember that we have warned you.

>> Hello,
>>
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>
> LL
LadyLollipop - 17 Mar 2005 02:54 GMT
> Make sure you understand that the LollipopLady (incorrect, LadyLollipop)
> is aka Jan Drew.  Look up her history of posting

Yes, please do. Then note who wrote the websites.

and her history of insults.

LOL.

The history of insults comes from every one here with the except of Steve
Bornfeld who is a gentleman, who is truthful.

Steve Mancuso is lying through his teeth as usual, and is free with insults.

 Then, act appropriately for
> your own peace of mind.  Remember that we have warned you.

Feel free and learn the truth.

>>> Hello,
>>>
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>>
>> LL
DrSteve - 17 Mar 2005 03:00 GMT
Just remember to check out the sources.  Feel free to discuss any questions
with us.  Unfortunately,  Jan (LL) has refused to hold an adult discussion.
You can find evidence all over the archives.

>> Make sure you understand that the LollipopLady (incorrect, LadyLollipop)
>> is aka Jan Drew.  Look up her history of posting
>
> Yes, please do. Then note who wrote the websites.

Absolutely check that out.

> and her history of insults.

See how she has treated dentists on this forum regardless of how hard they
tried to be polite and considerate.
LadyLollipop - 17 Mar 2005 04:11 GMT
> Just remember to check out the sources.  Feel free to discuss any
> questions with us.  Unfortunately,  Jan (LL) has refused to hold an adult
> discussion.

That would be a lie. Truth is it is Steeve who resfuses to discuss.

http://tinyurl.com/5ufrd

>>> Make sure you understand that the LollipopLady (incorrect, LadyLollipop)
>>> is aka Jan Drew.  Look up her history of posting
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> See how she has treated dentists on this forum regardless of how hard they
> tried to be polite and considerate.
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 12:28 GMT
>LOL.
>
>The history of insults comes from every one here with the except of Steve
>Bornfeld who is a gentleman, who is truthful.

I was just about to mention that Steve Bornfeld is always a gentleman
.......
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 12:27 GMT
>Make sure you understand that the LollipopLady is aka Jan Drew.  Look up her
>history of posting and her history of insults.  Then, act appropriately for
>your own peace of mind.  Remember that we have warned you.

You forgot her history of mental illness .....

Joel

>>> Hello,
>>>
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>>
>> LL
 
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