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LadyLollipop - 15 Mar 2005 08:23 GMT Just wish to laugh at others.
Try any search engine and type in Allergic to Mercury
http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2002/nov/11hawkins.html
http://www.cqs.com/immune.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 536756&dopt=Abstract
http://www.kumanichi.co.jp/minamata/suigin/english/20011019.2.html
http://www.the7thfire.com/dental_amalgams.htm
http://www.bcd.com.au/Documents/AmalRemBodyBurden.htm
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/damspr14.html
http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/boh/files/odh/AmalBrochFinal2.html
For starters.
Anyone who doesn't know this is because they don't want to know it. They are of the *I-don't-want-to-be-informed-attitude* and then lie and say they are anti amalgam. among other lies.
LL
clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 08:44 GMT http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 536756&dopt=Abstract
> http://www.kumanichi.co.jp/minamata/suigin/english/20011019.2.html That Japenese paper is interesting. I think there was another Japanese paper linking amalgam to acne...
Be careful....Most people shrug their shoulders when they learn that amalgam is the largest daily source of Hg, but if the public learned there was a connection between amalgam and acne there would probably be mass hysteria.
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 13:08 GMT >That Japenese paper is interesting. >I think there was another Japanese paper linking amalgam [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >if the public learned there was a connection between amalgam >and acne there would probably be mass hy Thanks, at first I was confused by the term zitzitis but now I get it .......
Joel
Steven Fawks - 15 Mar 2005 14:58 GMT Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the list of amalgam woes?
Some people are just plain nuts.
Fawks
> Thanks, at first I was confused by the term zitzitis but now I get it > ....... > > Joel Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 15:03 GMT >Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the >list of amalgam woes? > >Some people are just plain nuts. But why are they attracted to sci.med.dentistry and dentistry in general?
This h'ain't psychotherapy you know, but sometimes I really wonder .....
Joel
>Fawks > >> Thanks, at first I was confused by the term zitzitis but now I get it >> ....... >> >> Joel clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 16:52 GMT > Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the > list of amalgam woes? > > Some people are just plain nuts. "Considering the results of their research, Shimazu concluded that the mercury in amalgam plays a major role in triggering allergic dermatitis." (and eczema).
Perhaps it was not acne but who cares, Hg can affect the skin in one way or another. Only a jerk complains about the "precise way" their poison of choice affects the victim.
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 18:05 GMT >"Considering the results of their research, Shimazu concluded that the >mercury in amalgam plays a major role in triggering allergic >dermatitis." (and eczema). ...and pimples.
Steven Fawks - 16 Mar 2005 15:00 GMT Can't be me. I haven't used amalgam for over 20 years.
;-) Fawks
Only a jerk complains about the "precise way" their
> poison of choice affects the victim. LadyLollipop - 17 Mar 2005 01:16 GMT > Can't be me. I haven't used amalgam for over 20 years. > > ;-) > Fawks Diversion, the subject was allergic to mercury.
You still claim it is safe IN the mouth.
LL
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 12:15 GMT >> Can't be me. I haven't used amalgam for over 20 years. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >LL Mercury fillings are safe ...... but they fall out of upper teeth too easily .....
W_B - 15 Mar 2005 16:56 GMT May as well throw in head lice for balance.
>Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the >list of amalgam woes? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >> Thanks, at first I was confused by the term zitzitis but now I get it --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 18:05 GMT >May as well throw in head lice for balance. Spontaneous generation ..... they thrive at 350 millivolts.
>>Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the >>list of amalgam woes? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >>> Thanks, at first I was confused by the term zitzitis but now I get it W_B - 15 Mar 2005 22:16 GMT >>May as well throw in head lice for balance. > >Spontaneous generation ..... they thrive at 350 millivolts. Good one ! Maybe KPW will pick up on that. But, I heard it was 267.35 mV
>>>Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the >>>list of amalgam woes? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> >>>> Thanks, at first I was confused by the term zitzitis but now I get it --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 07:57 GMT > Heck, why don't we add toe nail fungus, jock itch, and dandruff to the > list of amalgam woes? > > Some people are just plain nuts. > > Fawks
> Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > LL Tony Bad - 15 Mar 2005 16:05 GMT From one of the posted links:
http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/boh/files/odh/AmalBrochFinal2.html
* Current studies cannot confirm if this mercury causes health problems.
Now...WHO can't do their own research???
T
carabelli - 15 Mar 2005 16:10 GMT > From one of the posted links: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > T Still not actually reading her links huh?
carabelli
Tony Bad - 15 Mar 2005 16:19 GMT > > From one of the posted links: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > carabelli Shocking isn't it?
That statement also rather clearly demonstrates that the state of Maine's initiative is about concerns other than health. I worked in a Rural Health Center for a while in NE Maine years back. There were massive problems with obesity, alcoholism, diabetes, and damn near everyone smoked. The county also had one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country.
Good thing they got that all taken care of so the can start an initiative to address this issue...after all "Current studies cannot confirm if this mercury causes health problems".
T
LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 08:02 GMT >> > From one of the posted links: >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > T
> Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > LL W_B - 15 Mar 2005 16:59 GMT >> From one of the posted links: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >carabelli Can't read above a 3rd grade level. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
carabelli - 15 Mar 2005 17:31 GMT > >> From one of the posted links: > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Can't read above a 3rd grade level. > -- Flattery will get you nowhere with her.
carabelli
LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 08:02 GMT >>> From one of the posted links: >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > LL clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 17:02 GMT > > From one of the posted links: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > carabelli Oh Jesus, they even pull out the 'rare instances of allergy' crap.
Bunch of propaganda without one scientific statement or reference. Even the regulars on this list can see by now its garbage. Why even post that crap?
Tony Bad - 15 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT > Oh Jesus, they even pull out the 'rare instances of > allergy' crap. > > Bunch of propaganda without one scientific statement > or reference. Even the regulars on this list can see > by now its garbage. Why even post that crap? Hey simpleton, go bitch at LadyLooneyPop...it was her link. I just read it, something to consider before posting "crap"...over, and over, and over.
T
LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 08:01 GMT >> From one of the posted links: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > carabelli How abut if YOU read them.
> Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > LL Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 16:24 GMT >From one of the posted links: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Now...WHO can't do their own research??? What about break dancing incapacity?
>T Tony Bad - 15 Mar 2005 16:27 GMT > What about break dancing incapacity? I believe break dancing is also illegal in Maine.
T
clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT > > What about break dancing incapacity? > > I believe break dancing is also illegal in Maine. > > T I hope you and every a.shole dentist who ever caused the Hg poisoning of a patient gets the same. You all truly deserve it and your ignorant up the cockatoo.
W_B - 15 Mar 2005 17:31 GMT >> > What about break dancing incapacity? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I hope you and every a.shole dentist who ever caused >the Hg poisoning of a patient gets the same. If amalgam caused Hg poisoning then the dentists would have the highest incidence. This is simply not the case. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 18:09 GMT >If amalgam caused Hg poisoning then the dentists >would have the highest incidence. >This is simply not the case. Plus our cockatoos would be ignorant or something ... I did not exactly understand what he meant.
Peter Meiers - 15 Mar 2005 20:04 GMT
> If amalgam caused Hg poisoning then the dentists > would have the highest incidence. > This is simply not the case. They simply don´t realize it?
Peter
((I know. Gimme a shot))
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 15 Mar 2005 20:23 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ((I know. Gimme a shot)) Of course you may well be right. Mercury poisoning is not unknown in dental personnel. It is certainly possible that there are cases being missed.
Steve
 Signature Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001
clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 22:40 GMT > > If amalgam caused Hg poisoning then the dentists > > would have the highest incidence. > > This is simply not the case. What you are really trying to say is that if Hg was toxic it would affect dentists...
> They simply don´t realize it? > > Peter It's really simple. Handling amalgam in your hand it is relatively stable. Only over time in the mouth can it break down and no one has even done any research to determine at what rates certain bacteria actually methylize amalgam Hg.
In the hand it gives off a little vapor. In the mouth its subjected to galvanic effects, crevice corrosion, attack by bacteria, acidic salivia ,the immune system, spontaneous droplet formation in the case of the new gamma-2's and so on...
Amalgam is an environmental hazard because it does break down in the environment over time. Similarly over time it can break down in the mouth.
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 22:44 GMT >What you are really trying to say is that if Hg was toxic >it would affect dentists... Dentists get immune to it. It has to do with keeping dollars around ........ the Hg rubs off into the bills .....
>> They simply don´t realize it? clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 23:05 GMT > >What you are really trying to say is that if Hg was toxic > >it would affect dentists... > > Dentists get immune to it. It has to do with keeping dollars around > ........ the Hg rubs off into the bills ..... Many do retire early and probably become allergic to it, though they will try to blame it on allergy to the latex gloves.
Steven Bornfeld - 16 Mar 2005 03:00 GMT >>>What you are really trying to say is that if Hg was toxic >>>it would affect dentists... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Many do retire early and probably become allergic to it, > though they will try to blame it on allergy to the latex gloves. If they can prop me up at the chair, I'll still be there at 85.
Steve
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Tony Bad - 16 Mar 2005 03:12 GMT > If they can prop me up at the chair, I'll still be there at 85. > > Steve I had the pleasure of knowing a dentist who had a practice just off Washington Square in NYC for many years. He closed or sold his practice when he was in his upper 80's, and then converted a small barn on his property into a dental office so he could continue to care for his loyal patients. He did this until he was in his mid 90's. He was a fountain of dental history, having graduated in the 1920's!
I always admired the enthusiasm and love he had for his profession. I visited with him just a short time before he passed away at age 98, and during that last visit he asked about what was new in the dental profession.
If 85 is your goal, I hope you get there with the spirit this man had!
T
Steven Bornfeld - 16 Mar 2005 03:16 GMT >>If they can prop me up at the chair, I'll still be there at 85. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > T It's not so much a goal as a financial prognostication.
Steve
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Tony Bad - 16 Mar 2005 03:33 GMT > It's not so much a goal as a financial prognostication. > > Steve I feel your pain. I am sitting here paying bills...so I REALLY feel your pain.
T
W_B - 16 Mar 2005 20:21 GMT >> It's not so much a goal as a financial prognostication. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >T Two words: debt management. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
clintonz@prodigy.net - 16 Mar 2005 05:27 GMT > >>Dentists get immune to it. It has to do with keeping dollars around > >>........ the Hg rubs off into the bills ..... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Steve Well my original dentist (whoi caused this problem) retired at 47 for reasons out of his control but his associate retired at 58. I also know a dentist who was a friend of a friend who retired early. I think if you work with Hg on a daily basis you do risk building up an intolernce to it as opposed to someone who uses say ceramic.
Another tip (interestingly not followed by my original dental group) Try to get an office above ground because mercury is heavier than air. I did hear of a dentist who practiced into his 90's but he had an office on the top floor I understand.
In fact, I don't see why most dentists don't pay a few thousand for a Jerome mercury meter.
I had an interesting conversation with an employee from that company (located in Nevada I think). Apparently they get bored during the day and for fun they take the meters they manufacture and test their fillings for Hg by chewing bubble gum and sticking a straw in their mouth and exhaling.
Apparently after working for the company and doing this, the employee I talked to had her amalgams removed.
Steven Fawks - 17 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT Replying to C(ra)Z(y) is pretty much pointless, but this post is completely absurd. Mercury is much less likely to exit a set amalgam than during mixing, condensation, or being cut with a high speed handpiece.
Fawks
> It's really simple. Handling amalgam in your hand it is > relatively stable. Only over time in the mouth can it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > down in the environment over time. Similarly over time it can break > down in the mouth. Joel M. Eichen - 17 Mar 2005 14:28 GMT >Replying to C(ra)Z(y) is pretty much pointless, but this post >is completely absurd. Mercury is much less likely to exit a set >amalgam than during mixing, condensation, or being cut with >a high speed handpiece. > >Fawks They cannot resist telling the dentists how they need outdoor ventiliation when removing an amalgam ...... like its radioactive or something!
BOTTOM LINE, when trouble develops, Jan and those guys end up getting perfectly good teeth yanked!
They are rationalizing their edentulousness ...... by foisting it upon others.
Joel
>> It's really simple. Handling amalgam in your hand it is >> relatively stable. Only over time in the mouth can it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> down in the environment over time. Similarly over time it can break >> down in the mouth. clintonz@prodigy.net - 15 Mar 2005 23:00 GMT > > If amalgam caused Hg poisoning then the dentists > > would have the highest incidence. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Peter Think of the dentists as dynamite manufacturers and amalgam as a stick of dynamite with a very long fuse which can be lit be processess such as galvanism, crevice corrosion, bacterial interaction and time itself.
The dentist makes the stick of dynamite, lights the fuse and sticks it in the patients mouth. 10 years later when it goes off, they say, gee, I never was personally affected by dynamite and I handle it all the time.
BTW I don't think a dentist would hold a poorly mixed amalgam in their hand for 10 years either, yet a patient may have to keep in their mouth for 10 years 1 inch from their brain. What guarantee do you have that this won't happen. Why the honesty and word of the dentist.
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 18:08 GMT >> > What about break dancing incapacity? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the Hg poisoning of a patient gets the same. You all >truly deserve it and your ignorant up the cockatoo. Cool phase Dude .....
... your ignorant up the cockatoo .......
I gotta remember that. Wait Its "you're ..." isn't it?
Joel
Tony Bad - 15 Mar 2005 18:29 GMT > >> > What about break dancing incapacity? > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joel Forgive him...it is the Hg you know...and tell your cockatoo too.
T
LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 22:00 GMT >> >> > What about break dancing incapacity? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > T Tony,
You just expressed your views about the IIena Probert mess, now you reply to Joel, who is simply an idiot.
Now back to the subject. It is unbelievable and ridiculous that all are saying they have never heard of being allergic to mercury, it is also a blatant lie, then I post the prove, and this kind of nonsense starts.
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 29,100 for sci med dentistry allergic to mercury. (0.23 seconds)
A pity most of you are such liars.
LL
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Mar 2005 22:10 GMT >Tony, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >saying they have never heard of being allergic to mercury, it is also a >blatant lie, then I post the prove, and this kind of nonsense starts. No Jan there one or two people but not the millions as you claim.
Joel
> Web Results 1 - 10 of about 29,100 for sci med dentistry allergic to >mercury. (0.23 seconds) Tony Bad - 15 Mar 2005 18:27 GMT > > > What about break dancing incapacity? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the Hg poisoning of a patient gets the same. You all > truly deserve it and your ignorant up the cockatoo. Oh lighten up.
T
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 18:42 GMT >> I hope you and every a.shole dentist who ever caused >> the Hg poisoning of a patient gets the same. You all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >T ...the parrot should lighten up too. or light up!
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 18:07 GMT >> What about break dancing incapacity? > >I believe break dancing is also illegal in Maine. If you are over 60 its also obscene!
WoW!
Tricky spelling that ~ its like abscess.
>T Peter Meiers - 15 Mar 2005 20:02 GMT > I believe break dancing is also illegal in Maine. No break? You have to dance all the time? What a state.
Peter
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LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 07:59 GMT > From one of the posted links: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > T You can't. You can just pick one line out of context.
> Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > LL Joel M. Eichen - 15 Mar 2005 13:07 GMT Any links?
>Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.cqs.com/immune.htm LadyLollipop - 16 Mar 2005 08:04 GMT > Just wish to laugh at others. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > LL
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