Interesting, my dad (recently retired ophthamologist - practiced GP for 8 or
9 years first - back when a GP did it all) had a PX done at his last
checkup. He related that he thought that it is a valued procedure since
nobody else screens this part of the body for things that can go awry.
So there
carabelli
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 13 Mar 2005 09:48 GMT
It has limited use for detecting caries and bone loss, but for
detecting other pathology it can be very useful. I see no reason why
every patient should not have a panorex taken at least once.
I've had a patient that I've been seeing and he was complaining of pain
lower right quad. I could not find the cause on the regular films. I
was ready to try anything to get his out of pain including RCT. He went
to see the OMFS who took out his wisdom teeth in the past and happened
to take a panorex (which I never had a copy of). Guess what the panorex
showed???? He had Eagle's Syndrome. I would never have been able to
diagnose this from the full mouth series but on the panorex it came out
clear as day. Once his condition was diagnosed he was treated with
steroids which removed his symptoms.
Although most people do not walk around with pathology it makes sense
to check things out at least once.
> Interesting, my dad (recently retired ophthamologist - practiced GP for 8 or
> 9 years first - back when a GP did it all) had a PX done at his last
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> carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 13 Mar 2005 14:03 GMT
>Interesting, my dad (recently retired ophthamologist - practiced GP for 8 or
>9 years first - back when a GP did it all) had a PX done at his last
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>
>carabelli
As a young doc, I recall a patient who had a nasopalatine cyst that
had invaded and pushed back the entire nasal cavity. I had occasion to
assist the oral surgeon in the hospital procedure under general
anesthesia.
It was detected with periapical films as this was BEFORE the era of
panorex in dental offices ~ hmmmm, almost hard to believe but
dentistry has moved forward very quickly.
That one case alone makes a huge point for our current system of
dental care. We provide the money for future development so tomorrow's
patients will suffer less than yesterday's.
Joel
>>Panoramic Dental X-Rays Seldom Necessary
>>Dentists should spare patients exposure when they can, researcher says
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>>
>>The Academy of General Dentistry has more about dental X-rays.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6620610/
http://www.radiologicinfo.com
===
While radiographs are not necessary every 6 months, a certain minimum is
necessary to detect any possible underlying conditions that are not present
in
a clinical visual examination. I usually take a full series or panoramic
on
my patients every 5 to 6 years depending on their oral condition (ie minimal
work, lower frequency), and bite-wing radiographs every 2 years ...
David Dodell, DMD
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Hulda Clark, Ph.D., N.D., talks with Frank Jerome, D.D.S. about
cleaning up
your dentalware
NOTE: as of 1998, Clark has changed her mind about some of the
recommendations she has made in this article and other works. Please
remember this if you wish to use any of her suggestions.
Frank Jerome: The philosophy of dental treatment taught in America is
that
teeth are to be saved by whatever means available, using the
strongest, most
long lasting material. Long-term toxic effects are of little concern.
The
attitude of the majority of dentists is they will do whatever the ADA
says
is okay.
A more reasonable philosophy is that there is no tooth worth saving if
it
damages your immune system. Use this as your guideline.
The reason dentists do not see toxic results is that they do not look
or
ask. If a patient has three mercury fillings placed in the mouth and a
week
later has a kidney problem, will she call the dentist -- or the
doctor? Will
she ever tell the dentist about the kidney problem or tell the doctor
about
the three fillings? A connection will never be made.
It is common for patients who have had their metal fillings removed to
have
various symptoms go away but, again, they do not tell the dentist. The
patients have to be asked! Once patients begin to feel well they take
it for
granted, and don't make the connection, either. If everybody's results
were
instantaneous, there would be no controversy.
Find an alternative dentist. They have been leading the movement to
ban
mercury from dental supplies. Not only mercury, but all metal needs to
be
banned. If your dentist will not follow the necessary procedures, then
you
must find one what will. The questions to ask when you phone a new
dental
office are:
Do you place mercury fillings? (The correct answer is "No." If they
do, they
don't have enough experience in the use of non-metal composites.)
Do you do root canals? (The correct answer is "No. If they do, they do
not
understand good alternative dentistry. [Publisher: Please see "Root
canal
therapy" on Page 6]
Do you remove amalgam tattoos? (The correct answer is "Yes. Tattoos
are
pieces of mercury left in the gum tissue.)
Do you treat cavitations? (The correct answer is "Yes." By cleaning
them.)
The complete name of cavitations is Alveolar cavitational
osteopathosis.
They are holes (cavities) left in the jawbone by an incompletely
extracted
tooth. A properly cleaned socket which is left after an extraction
will heal
and fill with bone. Dentists routinely do not clean the socket of
tissue
remnants or infected bone. A dry socket (really an infected socket) is
a
common result.
These sockets are never fully healthy. Thirty years after an
extraction, a
cavitation will still be there. It is a form of osteomyelitis, which
means
bone infection.
Ninety percent or more of dental offices will not be able to answer
any of
the above questions correctly. If you allow the work to be done by a
dentist
who does not understand the importance of the above list, you could
end up
with new problems. Find the right dentist first even if you must
travel
hundreds of miles. Dentists are not equal. You can find a dentist in
your
area by calling the Huggins Diagnostic Clinic [and others listed below
in
"Resources"].
Huggins has 6,000 to 10,000 dentists who should be able to help. Some
can do
part of the work and refer you to a specialist for the rest. Five
hundred to
one thousand of these dentists can do it all.
Normal treatment cost is about $1,000 for replacement of 6 to 8 metal
fillings, including the examination and x-rays. For people with a
metal
filling in every tooth, or for the extraction of all teeth (plus
dentures),
it may be up to $3,000 (or more in some places).
Remember, the simpler treatment, the better. If the dentist says that
he or
she can change your metal fillings to plastic but it would be better
to
crown them, say "No!"
Guidelines for a Healthy Mouth
If you have: What to do:
Metal fillings change to plastic fillings
Inlays and onlays change to plastic fillings
Crowns (all types) change to plastic crowns
Bridges change to plastic crowns, partials
Metal partials change to plastic partials
(FlexiteTM)
Pink dentures change to clear plastic
Porcelain denture change to plastic denture
Badly damaged teeth become extractions
Root canals become extractions
Braces and implants avoid
Cavitations need to be surgically cleaned
Temporary crowns use plastic
Temporary fillings use DuralonTM)
See Materials reactivity testing, which has a different approach to
safe
dental materials.
The guidelines can be summarized as:
Removal all metal from the mouth.
Removal all infected teeth and clean cavitations.
Hulda Clark: Removing all metal means removing all root canals, metal
fillings and crowns. Take out all bridge work or partials made of
metal and
never put them back in. But you may feel quite attached to the gold,
so ask
the dentist to give you everything she or he removes. Look at the
underside.
You will be glad you switched.
The top surfaces of tooth fillings are kept glossy by brushing. (You
swallow
some of what is removed.) Underneath is tarnish and foulness. Ask to
see
your crowns when they are removed.
The stench of the infection under some teeth may be overwhelming as
they are
pulled. Bad breath in the morning is due to such hidden tooth
infections,
not a deficiency of mouthwash!
All metal must come out, no matter how glossy it looks on the surface.
Metal
does not belong in your body. It is an unnatural chemical. Do this as
soon
as you have found a dentist able to do it. Find a dentist with
experience
and knowledge about this subject. It is more than replacing
acknowledged
culprits like mercury-amalgam fillings. This is metal-free dentistry.
ONLY
METAL-FREE PLASTIC SHOULD BE PUT BACK IN YOUR MOUTH. [Publisher: See
note to
"Guidelines" above regarding alternatives.]
Jerome: If your dentist tells you that mercury and other metals will
not
cause any problems, you will not be able to change his or her mind.
SEEK
TREATMENT ELSEWHERE.
=========
Your dentist should do a complete x-ray examination of your mouth. Ask
for
the panoramic x-ray rather than the usual series of 24 small x-rays
(called
"full mouth series"). The panoramic x-ray shows the whole mouth
including
the jaws and the sinuses. This lets the dentist see impacted teeth,
root
fragments, bits of mercury buried in the bone and deep infections.
Cavitations are visible in a panoramic x-ray that may not be seen in a
full
mouth series.
=====
Let me first give some information as to the full mouth series. It is our
duty as practitioners to diagnose all conditions of your mouth. A full
series of radiographs, in connjunction with a thorough health history and
a complete clinical examination, is the only way for us to be able to
accomplish this task. You would not want to begin having symptoms next
week for a problem that we could have diagnosed today, so we are as
thorough as is feasible. The full series of radiographs allow us to view
all areas around the teeth for possible pathology.
===================
don't believe that this is standard of care. Bitewings (2 films) and
one orthopantomogram (=panoramic, x-rays like for one usual film) are
the actual recommendations.
A full mouth status cannot fully replace bitewings because of slightly
different direction of x-rays.
I found the following table:
No clinical caries, history of fluoridation Panoramic only
Clinical caries and/or restorations present Panoramic plus
posterior bitewings
Deep clinical caries Panoramic, posterior
bitewings, periapicals
of affected teeth
Periodontal involvement Panoramic, posterior
bitewings, periapicals of
affected teeth
From: The selection of patients for x-ray examination: dental
radiographic examination. Pub No FDA 88-8273, Rockville, Md, 1987, US
Food and Drug Administration
Dental Problems
... Even dental gold can be a problem because to make it cheaper it is
commonly blended ...
This may be discovered by an experienced dentist with panoramic
X-rays.
... the usual series of 14 to 16 small X-rays (called full ... Cavitations
are visible in
a panoramic X-ray that may not ... When you do a lot of dental repair in a
short ...
Joel M. Eichen - 13 Mar 2005 14:06 GMT
>While radiographs are not necessary every 6 months, a certain minimum is
>necessary to detect any possible underlying conditions that are not present
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>
>David Dodell, DMD
Thanks David.
Its good to hear from you ...... w...a...i...t....!
Sorry everybody, its Jan again!
Hey Jan!
Why not simply tell us your point or your question in plain English?
We can read but will not sift through hundreds of lines to find
,....... NOTHING!
Joel
>I certainly would agree it does have limited value in routine dental
>care. As long as the Assist. Prof. of Oral Diagnostic Sciences doesn't
>step on the Ortho or OMFS toes nor convince managed care, they can
>have their 15 min. of fame.
Pans (Panorex, panogram) are excellent for screening, say wisdom
teeth, developmental cysts, and periodontal disease while periapical
films are my choice for definitive treatment.
Joel