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StovePipe - 07 Mar 2005 15:35 GMT
Before:

http://tinypic.com/21ogw1

About 9 months after:

http://tinypic.com/21oh03

Into the theoretical and practical debate as to whether or not mankind
is better off with or without Am, and into the high propositions of some
here who claim to not need this horrendous substance to promote oral
health, I throw these two pictures (as I have said I would... I have
others, but these are really quite representative of my practice).

The lady is a fifty-ish college Philosophy prof who is as out there as
can be, and is prone to depressive bouts during which her oral health
obviously suffers.

The question, without starting a war, SVP, is how in the name of Ste.
Appolonia could I have put in anything else under the circumstances?

THIS is what it is all about, and not high sounding theories on both
sides.

Thanks
SP

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Bill - 07 Mar 2005 16:37 GMT
> Before:
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> Thanks
> SP

Looks like real herodontics. Done, I assume, with the world's longest
matrix bands!

I can see how a ten-meter matrix band can get such a good margin on the
distal of #13 and the mesial of #14, but what is that other restoration
on the distal of #14?

http://tinypic.com/21oh03

Congrats on a tough case.

- dentaldoc
Dr Steve - 07 Mar 2005 23:16 GMT
Stove-Man,

That is about as good a job as anyone could have done on those teeth.  Far
better than 90% of our brother-dentists could do.  Those teeth would do best
with indirect restorations.  In the total un-willingness of the patient to
get indirect restorations, amalgam is the only material I would consider
that far up the root (and under the gingiva).

In my hands, I would like to see porcelain bonded to these teeth.  My
experience has been a lot fewer RCT on teeth with caries that close to the
pulp using bonded porcelain.

The most difficult and the most important part of this kind of treatment is
proper informed consent about the life the restorations and the likelihood
of future RCT.

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Troy, Michigan, USA
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Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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StovePipe - 08 Mar 2005 05:16 GMT
> Stove-Man,
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> get indirect restorations, amalgam is the only material I would consider
> that far up the root (and under the gingiva).

Good, thanks. I'm having real blockages trying to picture how you would
get your impression, optical or otherwise.

> In my hands, I would like to see porcelain bonded to these teeth.

Even knowing that the patient falls off the deep end periodically, and
her oral health suffers during those times?

> My experience has been a lot fewer RCT on teeth with caries that close to
> the pulp using bonded porcelain.

I know that... you theorized that it may be because you don't have to
temporize the teeth while the lab makes the onlay/crown. Less trauma to
the tooth.

> The most difficult and the most important part of this kind of treatment is
> proper informed consent about the life the restorations and the likelihood
> of future RCT.

Yes. That is difficult. How long do you spend educating the patient
about that once the exam is over?

Thanks
SP
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carabelli - 08 Mar 2005 05:29 GMT
A little late but nice work SP

Dan
StovePipe - 08 Mar 2005 12:36 GMT
> A little late but nice work SP
>
> Dan

10-Q, Dan
SP
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Dr Steve - 08 Mar 2005 13:04 GMT
You try to do the education prior to scheduling the restoration.  During the
diagnosis and treatment plan appt.  Make sure the patient knows this is not
what you need to do to this tooth to get a reasonable life out your work and
that you will not guarantee it beyond the first few months.

I prefer to discuss "predictability" of dental work.  I can predict that one
type of restoration is will probably not fail in the next ten years while
the patient is vacationing on the beach in Costa Rica.  I cannot predict
when the other type will fail and where the patient will be when that
happens.  The risk is up to the patient's desires and finances.

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Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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> Thanks
> SP
StovePipe - 08 Mar 2005 03:43 GMT
> Looks like real herodontics. Done, I assume, with the world's longest
> matrix bands!

Nope, automatrix plus tofflemyer band vertically
> I can see how a ten-meter matrix band can get such a good margin on the
> distal of #13 and the mesial of #14, but what is that other restoration
> on the distal of #14?

Garden variety composite (Grandio by VOCO, IIRC)

> http://tinypic.com/21oh03
>
> Congrats on a tough case.

Thanks
> - dentaldoc

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