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Joel M. Eichen - 06 Mar 2005 17:10 GMT In today's MSN ... just what I told ya Dude!
Exercise cures amalgamitis .....
Helps with break dancing too.
Joel
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Diet, Exercise a Real Shortcut to Health
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Study shows big results come within 6 weeks Dennis Thompson More on this in Health & Fitness Lose Weight, Feel Great With a Good Breakfast Obesity May Begin at the Grocery Store Today's Health News THURSDAY, March 3 (HealthDay News) -- Six short weeks is all it may take for simple changes in diet and exercise to start making dramatic reductions in risk for killer illnesses like diabetes, cancer or heart disease, researchers report.
"Although the notion that proper nutrition and exercise is good for you is not revolutionary, it's important that people know that major health benefits can come quickly," researcher Steven Aldana, a Brigham Young University professor of exercise science, said in a prepared statement.
In his team's study, 337 volunteers -- all residents of Illinois and ranging from 43 to 81 years of age -- participated in a 40-hour educational course over four weeks. Administered by the SwedishAmerican Health System, the Coronary Health Improvement Project lectures touted the importance of healthy lifestyle choices.
People experienced significant reductions in body fat, cholesterol levels and blood pressure when they spent just 30 minutes a day on cardiovascular exercise and adopted a diet emphasizing unrefined foods like grains, legumes and fresh fruits and vegetables, Aldana reported.
"This is not a diet, not a trend, not a fad that will go away," he said. "It's adopting a nutritious way of eating and exercise that causes very important positive changes in your body's health in a short period of time."
The study appears in the Feb. 28 issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association.
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SOURCES: Brigham Young University, news release, Feb. 23, 2005 Copyright © 2004 ScoutNews, LLC. All rights reserved
Chuck - 07 Mar 2005 08:08 GMT In today's MSN ... just what I told ya Dude!
Exercise cures amalgamitis .....
Helps with break dancing too.
Joel
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I'm a Nutritionist with specialty study in exercise physiology. I know the importance *YOU MORON*!
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Mar 2005 12:18 GMT How did Chuck do that?
My words, but his name at the top with no little ">>"s.
Joel
>In today's MSN ... just what I told ya Dude! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I'm a Nutritionist with specialty study in exercise physiology. I know >the importance *YOU MORON*! Chuck - 07 Mar 2005 12:23 GMT >How did Chuck do that? <Joel
I just wish I could learn how to killfile you on Google. T's statement that "Joel says dumb things" is the understatement of the year.
Chuck
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Mar 2005 12:50 GMT >>How did Chuck do that? ><Joel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Chuck Chuck, if this helps ..... if you see JOEL or "Joel" or Joel M. Eichen, you do not have to read the message. You can skip the entire text. There is no test and you will not be penalized.
Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Mar 2005 12:51 GMT >>How did Chuck do that? ><Joel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Chuck Chuck, please fill in this newgroup with more intelligent topics, if you wish.
We will comment accordingly.
Please forget the amalgam-is-poisonous routine though.
Joel
clintonz@prodigy.net - 07 Mar 2005 14:46 GMT > >>How did Chuck do that? > ><Joel [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Please forget the amalgam-is-poisonous routine though. Interesting how many people post with alleged Hg symptoms, Jan,me,chuk,Ta,Wanja,Robert and many more than even the number of dentists? Why is this happening? Because the ADA has in it's power to do the research and warn patients but they REFUSE, forcing the victims to do the work. Just remember if you don't seek out the truth it will eventually come and find you. Indeed, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed will come to the mountain.
> Joel Tony Bad - 07 Mar 2005 15:16 GMT > Interesting how many people post with alleged Hg symptoms, > Jan,me,chuk,Ta,Wanja,Robert and many more than even the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Indeed, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed will come to > the mountain. I have treated thousands of patients, never had one who had Hg symptoms. Had a few who fell for the con job that removing their fillings would cure systemic problems, but the ones that returned found out that was not true. Every other dentist I know can tell you the same thing. This includes one that now advertises "natural dentistry", but admits it is more marketing than science.
Maybe this accounts for the disparity in numbers that you point out.
T
clintonz@prodigy.net - 07 Mar 2005 16:39 GMT > > the mountain. > > I have treated thousands of patients, never had one who had Hg symptoms. Had > a few who fell for the con job that removing their fillings would cure > systemic problems, but the ones that returned found out that was not true. The ones that didn't return where probably cured.
It's a modified gaussian distribution. So most don't recieve high enough exposure or Hg in the right form to be obviously affected. You can't then turn around and say no one is affected. Especially when you don't evaluate your patients for micromercurialism. I guarantee you every large study about amalgam that is done will find the same thing. Gaussian distribution. Look at the Tubigen study (just as a reference point). They found very elevated levels in about 1/500 to 1/1000. That would only be a few of your patients. This group is sampling from 100's of thousands or millions people (NOt that that many are reading but that many know of its existence). 1000 people may sound like a lot to you but it isn't.
> Every other dentist I know can tell you the same thing. This includes one > that now advertises "natural dentistry", but admits it is more marketing > than science. The facts speak for themselves. Amalgams commonly do release large amounts of Hg and once you find elevated levels in some cases you'll find more in others. If the studies of amalgam hg emission had a flat distribution I'd have more sympathy for your position but they don't. Try fitting the data from some large study like the Tubigen study to a statistical curve. Does it fit the curve? Does it meet the expectations for variation in the average range? Now try predicting what the end of the distribution is like. You'll find that very elevated levels in some small fraction of cases is consistent with the data.
Chuck - 08 Mar 2005 09:07 GMT >a few who fell for the con job that removing their fillings would >cure >systemic problems,
>T How many of these did you recommend that following removal they be tested and treated with DMPS, DMSA... chelation therapy, nutrition supplements.....? I thought not. Stopping the source of poisoning is not going to instantly rid the body of accumulated Hg that has been building for many many years. I'm not saying that all of these individual's symptoms are Hg caused, but they will never know unless they go through the right channels and test their Hg burden and be treated appropriately if need be.
Chuck
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 11:37 GMT >How many of these did you recommend that following removal they be >tested and treated with DMPS, DMSA... chelation therapy, nutrition >supplements.....? All unproven ........
Bah, humbug.
Joel
Chuck - 08 Mar 2005 13:24 GMT >Re: DMPS, DMSA >All unproven ........
>Bah, humbug. >Joel Wrong again Joel. Have you done the research? DMSA is used for lead poisoning in children. They both bind metals (including Hg) very effectively. Just like not having a clue about diabetes you do not have a clue in this arena.
Chuck
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 13:36 GMT >>Re: DMPS, DMSA >>All unproven ........ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Chuck I do not need to do "the research." Anything on the internet is SUSPECT! It is not research. It is mostly HYPE.
There is no point in debating horse linament for dentistry. Its already in the literature. Its nonsense!
By the way, you may want to refer to DMSO as DMSO, not DMSA.
Joel
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 13:39 GMT For anyone new, this is the dental newsgroup not the beat up on dentists newsgroup ....... CHUCKie is not aware of that however ....
Joel
>>>Re: DMPS, DMSA >>>All unproven ........ [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >www.jacoblab.com. Jeff has worked side by side with Dr. Jacob over the >last two decades in production of the DMSO & MSM formulations. Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 13:38 GMT ....and of course, in toxicology, the DOSE is the poison!
KIDDING ABOUT THE DMSO, but try it anyway! You appear to like HORSing around!
Joel
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Dimercaptosuccinic Acid (DMSA), A Non-Toxic, Water-Soluble Treatment For Heavy Metal Toxicity
by Alan L. Miller, N.D.
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Abstract
Heavy metals are, unfortunately, present in the air, water, and food supply. Cases of severe acute lead, mercury, arsenic, and cadmium poisoning are rare; however, when they do occur an effective, non-toxic treatment is essential. In addition, chronic, low-level exposure to lead in the soil and in residues of lead-based paint; to mercury in the atmosphere, in dental amalgams and in seafood; and to cadmium and arsenic in the environment and in cigarette smoke is much more common than acute exposure. Meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA) is a sulfhydryl-containing, water-soluble, non-toxic, orally-administered metal chelator which has been in use as an antidote to heavy metal toxicity since the 1950s. More recent clinical use and research substantiates this compound's efficacy and safety, and establishes it as the premier metal chelation compound, based on oral dosing, urinary excretion, and its safety characteristics compared to other chelating substances. (Altern Med Rev 1998;3(3):199-207)
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Introduction
Contamination of water, air, and food by numerous chemicals and non-essential elements, such as heavy metals, is an unfortunate byproduct of a complex, industrialized, high-tech society. The resultant accumulation of heavy metals in the human body poses a significant health risk, leading to a wide array of symptomatology, including anemia, learning deficits, reduced intelligence, behavioral and cognitive changes, tremor, gingivitis, hypertension, irritability, cancer, depression, memory loss, fatigue, headache, hyperuricemia, gout, chronic renal failure, male infertility, osteodystrophies, and possibly multiple sclerosis and Alzheimer's disease.
Although human lead toxicity has decreased in the United States since discontinuation of the use of lead as a gasoline additive, it continues to be a significant problem, especially in urban areas, where lead-based paint exposure is still an issue, and in areas where lead is mined and/or smelted. Chronic mercury toxicity from occupational, environmental, dental amalgam, and contaminated food exposure, is a significant threat to public health. Other heavy metals, including cadmium and arsenic, can also be found in the human body due to cigarette smoke, and occupational and environmental exposure. Diagnostic testing for the presence of heavy metals, and subsequently decreasing the body's burden of these substances, should be an integral part of the overall treatment regimen for individuals with the above-mentioned symptomatology or a known exposure to these substances.
It has long been acknowledged that sulfhydryl-containing compounds have the ability to chelate metals. The sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cysteine, cysteine's acetylated analogue N-acetylcysteine, the methionine metabolite S-adenosylmethionine, alpha-lipoic acid, and the tri-peptide glutathione (GSH) all contribute to the chelation and excretion of metals from the human body.
Meso-2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA), is a water-soluble, sulfhydryl-containing compound which is an effective oral chelator of heavy metals. Initial studies over forty years ago identified DMSA as an effective antidote to heavy metal poisoning. DMSA was subsequently studied for twenty years in the People's Republic of China, Japan, and Russia before scientists in Europe and the United States "discovered" the substance and its potential usefulness in the mid-1970s.1
DMSA is a dithiol (containing two sulfhydryl, or S-H, groups) and an analogue of dimercaprol (BAL, British Anti-Lewisite), a lipid-soluble compound also used for metal chelation (see Figure 1). DMSA's water solubility and oral dosing create a distinct advantage over BAL, which has a small therapeutic index and must be administered in an oil solution via painful, deep intramuscular injection.2 DMSA, on the other hand, has a large therapeutic window and is the least toxic of the dithiol compounds.3
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Lead
Lead exposure is still a public health problem in the United States, being found in approximately 21 million pre-1940 homes. Dust and soil lead, derived from flaking, weathering, and chalking paint, also contribute to chronic exposure.
Lead competes in the body with calcium, causing numerous malfunctions in calcium-facilitated cellular metabolism and calcium uptake and usage, including inhibition of neurotransmitter release and blockade of calcium channels and calcium-sodium ATP pumps.
The central nervous system (CNS) appears to be affected the greatest by lead. Children in particular are susceptible to its devastating effects on mental development and intelligence. Neurobehavioral deficits resembling attention deficit disorder have also been found in lead-exposed children.4 Blood lead concentrations of 20-25 µg/100 ml can cause irreversible CNS damage in children.5
Poor quality nutrition, including deficiencies in iron and calcium, are known to exacerbate the manifestations of lead exposure, including its CNS effects. Acute adult lead exposure leads to renal proximal tubular damage; chronic exposure causes renal dysfunction characterized by hypertension, hyperuricemia, gout, and chronic renal failure.6
Inorganic lead is absorbed, distributed, and excreted. Once in the blood, lead is distributed primarily among three compartments blood, soft tissue (kidney, bone marrow, liver, and brain), and mineralizing tissue (bones and teeth). Mineralizing tissue contains about 95 percent of the total body burden of lead in adults.
After lead is absorbed in the human body, it reacts with thiol (sulfhydryl) groups on peptides and proteins, inhibiting enzymes involved in heme synthesis and interfering with normal neurotransmitter functions.7 This natural reaction with thiols is also the body's method of eliminating lead, especially from the liver. Hepatic glutathione attaches to lead and enhances its excretion in the feces. Unfortunately, hepatic glutathione can be depleted in this manner, resulting in less glutathione being available for conjugation of other toxic substances. In addition to these hepatic effects, individuals with higher concentrations of blood lead have been noted to have lower levels of erythrocyte reduced glutathione.8 Decreased erythrocyte glutathione is due to the fact that 99 percent of lead in the blood is attached to red blood cells; the remaining one percent is in the plasma. Lead stored in bone has a half-life of 25 years, although lead in bone can be mobilized into the blood, and subsequently to other tissues.
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Mercury
Humans are exposed to mercury primarily in two forms: mercury vapor and methyl mercury compounds. Unfortunately, mercury is a ubiquitous substance in our environment. Mercury vapor in the atmosphere makes its way into fresh and salt water by falling in precipitation. Methyl mercury compounds are created by bacterial conversion of inorganic mercury in water and soil, which subsequently concentrates in seafood and fish. Dietary fish intake has been found to have a direct correlation with methyl mercury levels in blood and hair.9,10
"Silver" amalgam dental fillings are the major source of inorganic mercury exposure in humans.11 This term, however, is a misnomer, as this compound is not predominately silver; the proper term should be "mercury amalgam." The most common dental filling material, amalgams contain approximately 50 percent liquid metallic mercury, 35 percent silver, 9 percent tin, 6 percent copper, and a trace of zinc.12 As they are prepared and placed in the patient's mouth, the dentist and the person preparing the amalgam,13,14 as well as the patient are exposed to mercury vapor (HgO). The patient is further exposed to mercury vapor as the amalgam releases HgO when the individual chews,15-17 brushes,18 or drinks hot beverages.16-18 Studies of mercury content in expired air of those with and without amalgams have found significantly higher baseline mercury levels in subjects with amalgams, and up to a 15.6-fold increase in mercury in expired air after chewing.15,16 Mercury release was found to be greater in corroded amalgams compared to new, polished fillings.18 Mercury vapor from amalgams enters the bloodstream after being inhaled into the lungs.
Comparisons of blood levels of mercury and the number of amalgams show a direct correlation between number of amalgam fillings and concentration of blood17,19 and urine mercury.13,14,20 In addition, a statistically significant correlation was found between the number of dental amalgam fillings and mercury content of the kidney cortex (p <0.0001) and the occipital lobe cortex of the brain (p <0.0016) in cadavers.21
After removal of all amalgams, there is a transient increase in mercury concentration in the blood, plasma, and feces, followed by a decrease in blood levels below the pre-removal baseline.11,19,22,23
Mercury vapor is lipid soluble, freely passing through cell membranes and across the blood-brain barrier. Methyl mercury also easily crosses the blood-brain barrier and the placenta.7 Inorganic and methyl mercury have a high affinity for sulfhydryls, reacting intracellularly with the sulfhydryl group on glutathione and cysteine, and histidine residues in proteins, and allowing transport out of the cell. In rats, it was found that mercury secretion into the bile was dependent on glutathione secretion into the bile, suggesting the biliary secretion of mercury is in large part dependent on the biliary transport of GSH.24-26 In humans, 90 percent of mercury elimination is via the feces, with only 10 percent normally being excreted in the urine.12 A decrease in hepatic glutathione content secondary to excretion of mercury can decrease hepatic cell viability by mechanisms stated earlier.
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Arsenic and Cadmium
Environmental arsenic and cadmium exposure comes from pollutants discharged from industries utilizing these metals, including herbicide and battery manufacturers. These metals are also found in cigarette smoke.
Cadmium, as well as lead and mercury, can interact metabolically with nutritionally essential metals. Cadmium interacts with calcium in the skeletal system to produce osteodystrophies, and competes with zinc for binding sites on metallothionein, which is important in the storage and transport of zinc during development.
Biliary excretion seems to be an essential factor for the fecal elimination of cadmium and arsenic, although these metals may be also excreted in the urine.27,28
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Pharmacokinetics of DMSA
In healthy individuals, approximately 20 percent of an oral dose of DMSA is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract. Ninety-five percent of the DMSA that makes it to the bloodstream is bound to albumin. Most likely, one of the sulfhydryls in DMSA binds to a cysteine residue on albumin, leaving the other S-H available to chelate metals. In healthy fasting men, 90 percent of the DMSA recovered in the urine was found to be mixed disulfides of DMSA (DMSA attached to one or two cysteine molecules), and 10 percent was free unchanged DMSA. No mixed disulfides were found in the blood.29-31 It is thought these are formed as albumin releases DMSA in the kidney.32
In three children with lead poisoning, free DMSA was found in the blood of all subjects, while it was found in only one out of five healthy adult subjects. It is not known whether this is an age-related phenomenon, or exactly what the significance of this finding might be. It is unknown if these pharmacokinetic parameters are different in other metal toxicities or concomitant disease processes. For instance, if the patient has increased gut permeability, does this increase DMSA absorption?
Studies addressing the possibility that DMSA may chelate metal stored in the gut, because a significant percentage of an oral dose is not absorbed, have yet to be done. A study of whole body retention in mice of radioactively-tagged, orally-administered mercuric chloride revealed DMSA and its analogue DMPS (2,3-dimercapto-propanesulfonate) (see Figure 1), given orally at the same time as the mercury, significantly decreased the absorption and whole body retention of the metal.33 This is an important finding which suggests administration of DMSA a short time after an acute ingestion of mercury will chelate the metal and decrease the amount absorbed. It does not, however, answer the question of whether DMSA will bind gut reservoirs of mercury or whether it will assist the liver in elimination of mercury due to chronic exposure.
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DMSA Treatment in Lead Toxicity
DMSA has been used since the 1950s as an antidote for lead poisoning in Russia, Japan, and the Peoples Republic of China. DMSA has been shown in recent studies to be a safe and effective chelator of lead, reducing blood levels significantly.1,34,35 At a dose of 10 mg/kg for five days in adult males, DMSA lowered blood lead levels 35.5 percent; a more aggressive approach utilizing a 30 mg/kg dose lowered blood lead 72.5 percent. Clinical symptoms and biochemical indices of lead toxicity also improved.35
An animal study indicated DMSA is an effective chelator of lead in soft tissue, but it may not chelate lead from bone.36 Another found DMSA or calcium disodium ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid (CaNa2EDTA) produced significant reductions in kidney, bone and brain lead levels, but DMSA produced greater reductions of bone lead.37
In a preliminary animal study, combination therapy with DMSA and CaNa2EDTA was more effective than either individual chelator at increasing urinary and fecal elimination of lead, and reducing hepatic, renal, and femur lead concentrations in rats.38
It has been suggested that chelating agents, including BAL and CaNa2EDTA, may mobilize and redistribute lead to soft tissue, including the brain. Lead-exposed rats given CaNa2EDTA showed an initial decrease in bone and kidney lead, and an increase in hepatic and brain lead concentrations, indicating redistribution to these organs.39 Rats administered DMSA in combination with CaNa2EDTA showed increased urinary lead output and decreased tissue burden versus use of these therapeutic substances individually. No redistribution of lead to the brain was observed with the combined therapy. A decrease in blood zinc level was noted with the combination, as has been observed with CaNa2EDTA monotherapy.40
In a study of lead's pro-oxidant activity and the effect of thiol substances as antioxidants, five weeks of lead exposure in mice depleted hepatic and brain glutathione (GS) levels, and increased malondialdehyde (MDA), a marker of lipid peroxidation. DMSA administration for seven days resulted in a reduction in blood, liver, and brain lead levels. N-acetylcysteine supplementation decreased MDA levels, indicating amelioration of oxidative stress by NAC, but it did not decrease lead levels.41
In an animal study, co-administration of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) with DMSA enhanced the urinary excretion of lead in rats compared to DMSA alone.42
A suggested protocol for lead toxicity is to identify and remove the environmental exposure, and use DMSA 10 mg/kg three times a day for the first five days, followed by 14 days at 10 mg/kg twice a day.
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DMSA Treatment in Mercury Toxicity
DMSA has been in recent use as a treatment for mercury poisoning since Friedheim reported on DMSA treatment of experimental toxicity in mice in 1975, noting its low toxicity and favorable efficacy compared to BAL and D-penicillamine.43 Since that time, numerous animal and human studies have shown DMSA administration increases urinary mercury excretion and reduces blood and tissue mercury concentration.3,33,44-47
In a comparison study of chelating agents, eleven construction workers with acute mercury poisoning were treated with either DMSA or N-acetyl-D,L-penicillamine (NAP), another sulfhydryl-containing metal chelator. DMSA treatment resulted in greater urinary excretion of mercury than NAP.48
In a study of single-dose, DMSA-induced urinary excretion in occupationally-poisoned workers, a significant increase in urinary mercury excretion was noted, especially in the first 24 hours. Mercury excretion was greatest in the first eight hours after oral DMSA administration.49
After methylmercuric chloride administration in rats, DMSA, DMPS, and NAP were studied for their ability to remove mercury from blood and tissue. DMSA was the most effective at removing mercury from the blood, liver, brain, spleen, lungs, large intestine, skeletal muscle, and bone. DMPS was more effective at removing mercury from the kidneys.50
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Chelation of Mercury from the Brain
In rats, following intravenous administration of methyl mercury, DMSA was found to be the "most efficient chelator for brain mercury."51
In another animal study, DMSA was given four days after methyl mercury injection in mice, and continued for eight days. DMSA removed two-thirds of the brain mercury deposits, NAP removed approximately one-half, while DMPS did not remove significant amounts of mercury from the brain.44
DMSA has also been used effectively in arsenic and cadmium poisoning.2,3,53
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Mercury Diagnostic and Treatment Protocol
Hair analysis is an inexpensive and valuable tool for evaluating prior mercury exposure.10,53 An effective way to evaluate mercury toxicity quantitatively is to determine the amount of mercury excreted in the urine after a challenge dose of DMSA. A baseline 24-hour urine is collected before the challenge, then again on day three of a three-day dosing of 200 mg three times a day.
The therapeutic dosage of DMSA for mercury toxicity is not well defined in the literature. Doses as high as 30 mg/kg per day have been used, with no serious side effects noted.34 One DMSA treatment protocol suggests 10 mg/kg day taken in divided doses for three days. The patient then discontinues taking DMSA for 14 days, then takes it again for 3 days. Five to 10 treatment cycles may be necessary.54 Another protocol suggests 500 mg per day on an empty stomach, every other day for a minimum of five weeks. For very sensitive patients, 250 mg per day, every other day may be necessary, with an increase to 500 mg after two to three weeks, for a total of five weeks of therapy.55 More studies need to be done to define optimal dosing strategies for this substance. Be aware that sulfhydryl compounds in DMSA will make urine smell very sulfurous. Adequate communication with the patient regarding this issue is important, so they are not taken by surprise.
Adjunctive nutrient therapy includes hydrolyzed whey protein, as it contains cysteine and cysteine residues which can be of benefit while using DMSA. Cysteine is the rate-limiting step in glutathione production, necessary for fecal heavy metal excretion and hepatoprotection. Whey also contains branched-chain amino acids, which will occupy transport sites at the blood-brain barrier, effectively keeping bound metals from being re-deposited in the brain. Supplemental dosing of N-acetylcysteine, 500 mg three times per day, can also be helpful.54 A multi-mineral supplement can be taken between cycles.
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>>Re: DMPS, DMSA >>All unproven ........ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Chuck W_B - 08 Mar 2005 22:16 GMT >....and of course, in toxicology, the DOSE is the poison! > >KIDDING ABOUT THE DMSO, but try it anyway! >You appear to like HORSing around! Oh, though you meant wHORing...
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 22:45 GMT >>....and of course, in toxicology, the DOSE is the poison! >> >>KIDDING ABOUT THE DMSO, but try it anyway! >>You appear to like HORSing around! > >Oh, though you meant wHORing... That too .......
It ain't rugs they are hooking.
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 13:43 GMT Although extremely rare, mercury poisoning has been implicated in cases where people are excellent break dancers one day, and very suddenly they find themselves completely unable to break dance the very next morning.
Joel
>>Re: DMPS, DMSA >>All unproven ........ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Chuck Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 13:44 GMT This has been exacerbated as Jan Drew was knocked off at American Idol when she suddenly found she suddenly lost her talent.
Joel
>Although extremely rare, mercury poisoning has been implicated in >cases where people are excellent break dancers one day, and very [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >>Chuck clintonz@prodigy.net - 08 Mar 2005 15:25 GMT > >How many of these did you recommend that following removal they be > >tested and treated with DMPS, DMSA... chelation therapy, nutrition [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Joel Joel, your ignorance is showing as is the ignorance of organized dentistry itself...
Chuck is right that DMPS and DMSA are well known chelators, used in general cases of Hg toxicity. I think this was even discussed before. They contain sulfur groups which can pick up the Hg atom like pincers.
One word of caution though. DMPS and DMSA can pull Hg across the kidneys and especially IV DMPS can be very dangerous if you are Hg toxic. Some people have ended up in the hospital after using it.
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 22:13 GMT >Chuck is right that DMPS and DMSA are well known chelators, used >in general cases of Hg toxicity. I think this was even discussed >before. They contain sulfur groups which can pick up the Hg atom like >pincers. Not with dentistry Dude. You cannot chelate out 17 micrograms!
Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 22:13 GMT >One word of caution though. DMPS and DMSA can pull Hg across >the kidneys and especially IV DMPS can be very dangerous if >you are Hg toxic. Some people have ended up in the hospital >after using it. Right. The altie.alties kill themselves with their goofie therapies.
clintonz@prodigy.net - 08 Mar 2005 15:25 GMT > >How many of these did you recommend that following removal they be > >tested and treated with DMPS, DMSA... chelation therapy, nutrition [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Joel Joel, your ignorance is showing as is the ignorance of organized dentistry itself...
Chuck is right that DMPS and DMSA are well known chelators, used in general cases of Hg toxicity. I think this was even discussed before. They contain sulfur groups which can pick up the Hg atom like pincers.
One word of caution though. DMPS and DMSA can pull Hg across the kidneys and especially IV DMPS can be very dangerous if you are Hg toxic. Some people have ended up in the hospital after using it.
clintonz@prodigy.net - 08 Mar 2005 15:26 GMT > >How many of these did you recommend that following removal they be > >tested and treated with DMPS, DMSA... chelation therapy, nutrition [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Joel Joel, your ignorance is showing as is the ignorance of organized dentistry itself...
Chuck is right that DMPS and DMSA are well known chelators, used in general cases of Hg toxicity. I think this was even discussed before. They contain sulfur groups which can pick up the Hg atom like pincers.
One word of caution though. DMPS and DMSA can pull Hg across the kidneys and especially IV DMPS can be very dangerous if you are Hg toxic. Some people have ended up in the hospital after using it.
Tony Bad - 08 Mar 2005 14:37 GMT > >a few who fell for the con job that removing their fillings would > >cure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > tested and treated with DMPS, DMSA... chelation therapy, nutrition > supplements.....? I thought not. I didn't recommend ANYTHING, they asked me for my thoughts on the subject, I gave them my opinion, and they sought care elsewhere, with just the kind of folks who would recommend all the stuff you list..Those who I saw later were much poorer financially and emotionally, but no better physically. Can't say what happened to the third one, as they never came back.
Why the "I thought not" comment? I'll answer your questions.
T
clintonz@prodigy.net - 08 Mar 2005 15:53 GMT > > >a few who fell for the con job that removing their fillings would > > >cure [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > much poorer financially and emotionally, but no better physically. Can't say > what happened to the third one, as they never came back. 33% percent cure rate is pretty good!
Lets look at the numbers. Suppose one in 500 develops significant amalgam toxicity, but 3% of the population falsely attributes medical problems to their amalgam. Out of 500 people you would have 5*3=15 false cases of suspected toxicity and only one real case. That means 15 of your patients would come back without noticeable improvement and only 1 would claim improvement which you could easily attribute to psychological causes. If 1 in 100 had health problems from amalgam that would generate the 3/1 ratio you describe. See the problem?
Note also that the people who had amalgam removed probably didn't detect any improvement in their immediate area of concern. I.e migrane headaches, arthritis etc. That does not mean that if they didn't have those major health problems they still wouldn't have perceived some general benifit from amalgam removal, or that they didn't avoid future health problems by having them removed
Tony Bad - 08 Mar 2005 17:13 GMT > > > >a few who fell for the con job that removing their fillings would > > > >cure [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > had health problems from amalgam that would generate the 3/1 > ratio you describe. See the problem? I see you making an ASSumption based on...on...on...hmmm, on what are you basing this assumption? Your preconceived notions? And where did you pull the "Suppose one in 500 develops significant amalgam toxicity" statement from? One could just as easily guess the third person didn't come back because my advice was correct, and they were too embarrassed to come back and admit that. I don't know, and neither do you.
T
clintonz@prodigy.net - 08 Mar 2005 18:08 GMT > > Tony > > had health problems from amalgam that would generate the 3/1 > > ratio you describe. See the problem? > > I see you making an ASSumption based on...on...on...hmmm, on what are you You gave what I thought was a ludcirous set of assumptions that out of 3 people, one who you didn't even speak to and 2 others that weren't even screend for Hg toxicity, that that proved that out of 1000's of patients no one had suffered any health affects from amalgam. What about those who don't even consider amalam toxicity or are misdiagnosed by a doctor. How many patients do you screen for Hg toxicity? I merely made a set of my own reasonable assumptions to show I could draw the opposite conclusion.
> basing this assumption? Your preconceived notions? And where did you pull > the "Suppose one in 500 develops significant amalgam toxicity" statement > from? The tubigen study had results that showed elevated levels at around that frequency I think. Others studies (its almost impossible to get the actually data) show that some have very elevated Hg levels that most other participants do not so increased Hg exposure at a rate of say 1/50-1/1000 seems reasonable to me. Are you denying that some people do have measured elemental Hg levels from amalgam that are much higher than "most" other people? (Keep in mind I'm not even considering metyhlization which is another huge source of potiential variablility.)
This is the point, that Hg does have the potential to come out of the amalgam in varying levels and until a couple studies are done with 10's of thousands of people you are never going to pin these numbers down because assumptions become more important than the real data.
LIke I said:
engineer goes into a job interview. Boss shows the number .33333. What is it he asks. Id round to .3 he says.
Mathematician comes in. Id approxiamte that as 1/3 he says, because to ratio of two rational numbers can be used as an equivalent expression for a repeating decimal.
Statistician comes in. Looks at the number, Get's up, closes the door, closes the blinds, sits back down, and whispers, "I don't know? What assumptions do you want me to make?"
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 22:15 GMT >33% percent cure rate is pretty good! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >had health problems from amalgam that would generate the 3/1 >ratio you describe. See the problem? Go to the alties and stop annoying the dentists about chelation and stuff.
We do dentistry not alchemy.
Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 22:14 GMT >I didn't recommend ANYTHING, they asked me for my thoughts on the subject, I >gave them my opinion, and they sought care elsewhere, with just the kind of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Why the "I thought not" comment? I'll answer your questions. I agree. Out they go!
Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Mar 2005 18:51 GMT >Interesting how many people post with alleged Hg symptoms, >Jan,me,chuk,Ta,Wanja,Robert and many more than even the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Indeed, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed will come to >the mountain. So?
The hysteria is catching!
Got any good psychotherapists to recommend?
Joel
clintonz@prodigy.net - 07 Mar 2005 19:55 GMT > >Indeed, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed will come to > >the mountain. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Joel Yeah, for the dentists that can look at the data accumulated on amalgam and still deny there is a problem. Actually a deprogrammer is more likely what is required. Amazing how medical professionals like to put all kinds of psychological labels on patients, but they think are immune from the same thing. I guess its because they think they are better than everyone else!
Tony Bad - 07 Mar 2005 21:13 GMT > I guess its because they think they are better than everyone > else! LOL...Mr. Pot, I believe you have already met Mr. Kettle...
T
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Mar 2005 00:25 GMT >Yeah, for the dentists that can look at the data accumulated >on amalgam and still deny there is a problem. Actually a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I guess its because they think they are better than everyone >else! So the dentists are in de-NILE-e-e-e-e-e-e-e?
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