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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / February 2005Opinions requested: Hyrax/Invisalign to treat crossbite
Hey everyone I was wondering if I could get some opinions from a few of the orthodontists here. This seems like the only place where I can be guaranteed to get a neutral and objective opinion.. Anyway, I have been contemplating dental treatment for a while but wasn't sure what my best option was. I think I have a slight crossbite and some mild crowding on my bottom teeth...maybe a little underbite too. I'd like to add that my dentist has never suggested orthodontic treatment in any my cleaning visits and that it's actually my parents that are encouraging it. This being the case, I really have no idea how severe or minor my case is, or if it's even necessary. I have been to two orthodontists recently - the first being a doctor who claims to have completed more invisalign treatments than any other doctors in the country. Everything about his practice seemed highly unprofessional from a medical standpoint (including his marketing gimmicks that started off with a 10 min. invisalign promotional video), so I left without any intention of pursuing it further. The second one that I visited today seemed much more promising, but I still wanted to get a second opinion just in case! It's amazing what one bad apple can do to your faith in the field. I'll do my best to transcribe the treatment and the cost that's written on the contract, so can someone please tell me if it sounds reasonable? Prelim ortho diag: TMJ.WNL/ [illegible] L2 li. .g. . .x Bite / Cl III edge to edge bite Prelim ortho treatment plan: Hyrax/Invisalign Fee schedule (2 Parts) Partial Treatment (I'm guessing Hyrax) Diag records: $275 Appliance placement: $450 Treatment subtotal: $725 Full Treatment (I'm guessing Invisalign) Diag records: $1400+ Initial banding: $1850+ Monthly fee: quarterly visits at $500/Q --> $3000 total Treatment subtotal: $6350 Total: a little more than $7000 As far as I know at this point, the invisalign treatment will begin after the 4 month hyrax treatment. Is there anything else I should ask him/her before I go ahead with this? I'm not even sure how much or if my insurance will cover this. Do you think the cost is reasonable? Thanks in advance for any help! Regards, Yuto S. I am a general dentist. I do not provide orthodontic treatment, but I know a thing or two. 1. the fees are reasonable for Boston, Ma. Fees can vary dramatically depending on location and provider. 2. Invisalign treatment does not include "initial banding". That would be the application of the orthodontic brackets that you are trying to avoid by having the more expensive Invialign treatment. I think that there may be a semantics problem or a misunderstanding of another sort. Did your dentist or orthodontist discuss the advisability of surgical treatment after the orthodontic treatment for your Class III occlusion? Call your insurance company to find out what they cover. If you get an answer you like, write down the name of the person who gave you the info, the date and time of the call. The information may already exist in writing in your insurance brouchure. David Leader, DMD Malden, ma. Thanks for a quick reply. I'm surprised you figured out I was in Boston. Is the "initial banding" the same thing as the Hyrax that's written on my treatment plan? All I remember my orthodontist telling me is that he/she didn't want to cut any corners by going straight to invisalign, so that a preceding 4-month Hyrax treatment would be the preferred treatment plan. I guess I'm not too familiar with the procedure to be a 100% sure. By the way, I wasn't told anything about options involving surgical treatment. Once again, thanks for your help. -Yuto S. > I am a general dentist. I do not provide orthodontic treatment, but I > know a thing or two. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > David Leader, DMD > Malden, ma. >Thanks for a quick reply. I'm surprised you figured out I was in Boston. >Is the "initial banding" the same thing as the Hyrax that's written on my >treatment plan? All I remember my orthodontist telling me is that he/she >didn't want to cut any corners by going straight to invisalign, so that a What is Hyrax? I know Hydrox, the cookie, but HYRAX? Joel ** African Wildlife Foundation: Wildlives... Swahili Name: Pelele or Wibari. 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Let us compare a Hyracotherium with a hyrax: Hyracotherium, Hyrax. ... www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/eohippus_hyrax.html - 23k - Feb 25, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages Hyrax - the home of SelectorHyrax Computer Systems Ltd is the home of Selector, an amazing database system for finding the right person for difficult assignments. ... www.hyrax.co.uk/ - 6k - Cached - Similar pages hyrax - definition of hyrax by the Free Online Dictionary ...Definition of hyrax in the Online Dictionary. Meaning of hyrax. What does hyrax mean? hyrax synonyms, hyrax antonyms. Information ... www.thefreedictionary.com/hyrax - 21k - Cached - Similar pages >preceding 4-month Hyrax treatment would be the preferred treatment plan. I >guess I'm not too familiar with the procedure to be a 100% sure. By the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> David Leader, DMD >> Malden, ma. >I have been to two orthodontists recently - the first being a doctor who >claims to have completed more invisalign treatments than any other doctors >in the country. Yes but how does he compare to the doctors who practice in the city.? I don't think he met up to my standards/expectations regardless of how many doctors I compared him to - whether it was with all the doctors in the country, city, or neighborhood. Thanks, Yuto S. > >I have been to two orthodontists recently - the first being a doctor who > >claims to have completed more invisalign treatments than any other doctors > >in the country. > > Yes but how does he compare to the doctors who practice in the city.? >Hey everyone >I was wondering if I could get some opinions from a few of the orthodontists >here. This seems like the only place where I can be guaranteed to get a >neutral and objective opinion. Well, the $wire benders$ are taught that they are kewl. Nothing could be further than the truth. Sorry Orthos, don't have much compassion for your self aggrandizement. BTW did yer wire bender stuff for 5+ yrs in a clinic. Bored the hell out of me. Dat's why WB leaned toward endo. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>Hey everyone >>I was wondering if I could get some opinions from a few of the orthodontists [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sorry Orthos, don't have much compassion for your > self aggrandizement. I think Dan and Charlie missed that course. Steve > BTW did yer wire bender stuff for 5+ yrs in a clinic. > Bored the hell out of me. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE  SignatureCut the nonsense to reply >>Hey everyone >>I was wondering if I could get some opinions from a few of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, the $wire benders$ are taught that they are kewl. > Nothing could be further than the truth. I agree, don't need to be taught - it is a innate characteristic > Sorry Orthos, don't have much compassion for your > self aggrandizement. I missed that class - It interfered with a tee time > BTW did yer wire bender stuff for 5+ yrs in a clinic. > Bored the hell out of me. Sentenced to community service where you?? > Dat's why WB leaned toward endo. I've seen chimpanzees do endo after watching short DVD carabelli >I've seen chimpanzees do endo after watching short DVD > >carabelli 'twas a ortho porno... ...lame a.s wire bender... <8^]]> -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE "Don Karnage" <don_karnage@hotmail.com> wrote........................... so can someone please tell me if it sounds reasonable? > Prelim ortho diag: Depends, a little steep where I am at but not unreasonable. How old are you and what part of the country are you located. It's hard to say from here - I would need to see you in person, or at the very least some diagnostic records. Time for a third or fourth opinion. carabelli
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