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Knowledge Seeker - 26 Feb 2005 10:04 GMT Amalgam Fillings
Due to some recent publicity about the use of mercury in dentistry, you may be concerned about the amalgam or "grey" fillings you may have in your mouth. In Britain, two adults out of three have six fillings or more and they tend to be concentrated among people born in the '60's. Only ten percent will have no fillings at all, and they are more often in the 18 to 30 year old age group. This is due to the effect of fluoride toothpaste.
What is amalgam? Amalgam is made up of a minimum 65 percent silver and a maximum of 29 percent of tin, with approximately 3 percent copper and less than 1 percent zinc. These components are mixed in the surgery to form an alloy, called "amalgam". Amalgam fillings are the most common filling material used, because it has been used to fill teeth since the early years of this century as a cheap alternative to gold and gold leaf; 30 million amalgam fillings are placed per annum in the UK (NHS) and 160 million per annum in the USA.
There are some advantages to the use of amalgam in dentistry. Amalgam is relatively inexpensive, strong, durable and long lasting (up to 20 years if placed well, although 50 percent of amalgams last less than five years), easy for the dentist to place and was considered free of side effects, according to the British Dental Association (BDA) and American Dental Association (ADA) as well as other European dental associations, until recently.
The Amalgam Scare
Very small amounts of mercury vapour are now known to be continuously released from amalgam fillings. This is detectable and can be measured. The vapour is absorbed by the lungs into the blood stream. Problems are said to arise when people fail to excrete the mercury. It may then be stored in the brain, kidneys and liver.
Tests on amalgam fillings that have been removed from the mouth show that up to half the mercury has been lost.
About three percent of the population are estimated to suffer from mercury sensitivity. The mercury content of urine, hair or fingernails can be measured.
Mercury (not amalgam) has been implicated in Alzheimer's disease and other neuromuscular disorders, as well as ME, migraine, asthmatic type breathing problems, eczema and many more vague symptoms, such as fatigue, confusion, depression, etc. (Professor Anthony Mann, an expert in disease patterns, says the recent increase in Alzheimer's disease amongst the elderly is due to the fact that people are living longer, as there is no evidence to suggest that today's 70 year old is at any greater risk of the disease than previous generations. So, with no real increase in the rates of Alzheimer's disease, Michael Watson of the BDA asks: "Where are the bodies?").
There are sources of Mercury which we come into contact with in daily life, including dietary sources, such as *fish and shellfish, carrots and lettuce. Non-dietary sources include: hair dye, some mascaras, toilet paper made from recycled paper, calamine lotion and contact lens solutions. (*source: "It's all in your head", Hal Huggins, DDS, copyright 1989, Life Sciences Press).
On average a UK adult absorbs about 9 millionths of a gram a day from all sources. About a sixth of this amount comes from amalgam fillings.
A recent American study seeks to show that dentists are affected by mercury in their day to day contact with amalgam. It suggests that dentists may suffer from loss of concentration and loss of fine dexterity.
Sweden has recently banned amalgam on environmental grounds. Germany has asked dentists to be cautious in their use of amalgam fillings in - patients with kidney problems, children under 18, women of child bearing age.
The British and American Health Authorities Position
The position of the BDA on the amalgam issue is based on the findings of the 1992 Swedish Medical Research Council conference examining the potential biological consequences of mercury released from amalgam.
Mercury released from dental amalgam does not, according to the available data, contribute to systemic disease or systemic toxicological effects.
No significant effects on the immune system have been demonstrated with the amount of mercury which may be released from dental amalgam fillings.
Allergic reactions to mercury from amalgam fillings have been demonstrated, but are extremely rare.
In a very small number of individuals, local reactions may occur adjacent to amalgam restorations.
Available data does not justify discontinuing the use of mercury containing dental amalgam fillings or recommending their replacement.
Joel M. Eichen - 26 Feb 2005 11:56 GMT Thanks.
We have not heard this before.
Joel
>Amalgam Fillings > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] >Available data does not justify discontinuing the use of mercury >containing dental amalgam fillings or recommending their replacement. Keith P Walsh - 26 Feb 2005 19:36 GMT >Available data does not justify discontinuing the use of mercury >containing dental amalgam fillings or recommending their replacement. Experimental studies have demonstrated that metal amalgam dental fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to 350 millivolts.
See:
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
And the resting potential of the human neurologocal synapse has a magnitued of only 70 millivolts.
However, in spite of the fact that amalgam fillings are placed in children's teeth, it appears that experimental investigations to determine whether or not the electrical potentials generated by amalgams are able to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads have never ever been carried out.
So the fact is that when it comes to the question of the degree to which amalgam fillings are the cause of so-called "mental" disorders such as "depression" or "schizophrenia" as a result of their electrical behavior, then you are just as ignorant as everyone else.
Keith P Walsh
Joel M. Eichen - 26 Feb 2005 20:19 GMT >>Available data does not justify discontinuing the use of mercury >>containing dental amalgam fillings or recommending their replacement. > >Experimental studies have demonstrated that metal amalgam dental >fillings generate electrical potentials with magnitudes of up to 350 >millivolts. I could have sworn it was 325 volts, errr, kilovolts,
>See: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Keith P Walsh Keith P Walsh - 26 Feb 2005 20:39 GMT >>>Available data does not justify discontinuing the use of mercury >>>containing dental amalgam fillings or recommending their replacement. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I could have sworn it was 325 volts, errr, kilovolts, No.
It's approximately five times the magnitude of the resting potential of the human neurological synapse.
Keith P Walsh
W_B - 27 Feb 2005 00:26 GMT >>I could have sworn it was 325 volts, errr, kilovolts,
>No. > >It's approximately five times the magnitude of the resting potential >of the human neurological synapse. > >Keith P Walsh KPW has no 'resting potential neurologic synapses'.
Two neurons connected by a spirochaete.
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W_B - 27 Feb 2005 00:21 GMT > 350 >>millivolts. > >I could have sworn it was 325 volts, errr, kilovolts, I heard 348.2 GV
GV=giga volts
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StovePipe - 27 Feb 2005 07:15 GMT > > 350 > >>millivolts. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -- ... That would make him 'the fastest GUMman in the WEST' ... Not even electric eels could generate gigaVolt potentials.... it's enough to open up a Worm Hole to the other side of the Universe.... SP
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W_B - 27 Feb 2005 16:49 GMT >> > 350 >> >>millivolts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >up a Worm Hole to the other side of the Universe.... >SP SP yew are a kewl dewd.
Bet that most of the regs don't know what a GUI is. <hehe>
Yew prolly don't either.
No prolem....dork.
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StovePipe - 28 Feb 2005 07:08 GMT > Bet that most of the regs don't know what a GUI is. > <hehe> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > W_B GUI.... Graphic User Interface... the point and click menu driven OS's we commonly use today. I was prolly one of the first to use those... 'Way back in my Masters' we had some of the first Macintoshes used in research (Mac Pluses) with Excel and Word and SimpleGraph and such...
So what do I win? .... And what do I win for figuring the # of atoms of Hg in one microgram?.... You never said. Cheers SP SP
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W_B - 28 Feb 2005 15:13 GMT >> Bet that most of the regs don't know what a GUI is. >> <hehe> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >SP >SP Must have missed that calculation, please repost.
Crapintosh ? --
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StovePipe - 28 Feb 2005 17:19 GMT > >GUI.... Graphic User Interface... the point and click menu driven OS's > >we commonly use today. I was prolly one of the first to use those... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Crapintosh ? > - Yes...Crapintosh....
I was lucky enough to find this calculation back again:
> Haven't done the calculation but how many > molecules of Hg are in 1 (one) microgram ? IIRC, it's Avogaadro's number divided by (1,000,000* 200.59); as we have one microgram, divided by the atomic wt of Hg:
IIRC, Avogaadro's number is 6.02X10**23 atoms or molecules (one mole of atoms or mol-e-cul-ez)
IIRC, the atomic wt of Hg is 200.59 (say 200 for approx)
so, we have 10**-6 gm X (1 mole/200. gm) = 5 X 10**-9 moles
IIRC, 23 - 9 = 14 so,
5X10**-9 moles X 6.02X10**23 atoms/mole = 30.1X10**14 atoms
so, we'd have approx. 30.1X10**14 at-om-ez of Hg.
Do I win anything?
SP
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W_B - 28 Feb 2005 19:15 GMT >> >GUI.... Graphic User Interface... the point and click menu driven OS's >> >we commonly use today. I was prolly one of the first to use those... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >SP You win a box of 5¼ '' floppy disks. --
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StovePipe - 01 Mar 2005 04:57 GMT > You win a box of 5¼ '' floppy disks. > -- > > W_B > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Oh, Happy DAYS!!!! I just can't wait... SP
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Dr Steve - 01 Mar 2005 16:54 GMT We never had to worry about computer viruses when we were booting up from a 5 1/4 inch floppy disk. Perhaps we need to go get that 8080 processor back.
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >> You win a box of 5? '' floppy disks. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Oh, Happy DAYS!!!! I just can't wait... > SP W_B - 01 Mar 2005 20:09 GMT >We never had to worry about computer viruses when we were booting up from a >5 1/4 inch floppy disk. Perhaps we need to go get that 8080 processor back. We had an 8088 back in the days.
Also had some fun with a Tandy 64 --
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Dr Steve - 01 Mar 2005 20:12 GMT Ahhh! The good old days. Almost as useful as the abacus.
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >>We never had to worry about computer viruses when we were booting up from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com StovePipe - 02 Mar 2005 04:27 GMT > Ahhh! The good old days. Almost as useful as the abacus. My abacus keeps pushing up the 'Error; does not compute' beads ( last column ) by itself every time I use it...:-/ SP
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Dr Steve - 03 Mar 2005 12:55 GMT Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ???
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>> Ahhh! The good old days. Almost as useful as the abacus. > > My abacus keeps pushing up the 'Error; does not compute' beads ( last > column ) by itself every time I use it...:-/ > SP Joel M. Eichen - 03 Mar 2005 12:59 GMT >Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ??? In many situations, abacus is more efficient than other types of calculating devices .......
Joel
carabelli - 03 Mar 2005 13:37 GMT > >Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ??? > > In many situations, abacus is more efficient than other types of > calculating devices ....... > > Joel Jan prefers to just take her shoes if double digits are involved.
carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 03 Mar 2005 14:10 GMT >> >Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ??? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >carabelli Take her shoes OFF we presume ......
carabelli - 03 Mar 2005 14:12 GMT > >> >Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ??? > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Take her shoes OFF we presume ...... Very good Watson.
carabelli
StovePipe - 03 Mar 2005 22:19 GMT > Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ??? Yes... Didn't you feel the earth move? SP
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Dr Steve - 07 Mar 2005 20:31 GMT Stove-a-matic,
Might you and the family plan a trip to Michigan this summer?
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >> Have you tried rebooting the abacus (push all the beads to one side) ??? > > Yes... Didn't you feel the earth move? > SP StovePipe - 08 Mar 2005 05:16 GMT > Stove-a-matic, > > Might you and the family plan a trip to Michigan this summer? I'll have to ask 'the BIG CHEESE'.... I'll get back to you. We're slated to borrow the OLD MAN's condo during the last two weeks in July (construction holiday). If I can afford to take any more time off, that would be great.
I'll get back to you soon. Thanks SP
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W_B - 26 Feb 2005 22:03 GMT >350 >millivolts. Still beating that dead horse ?
It's like Deja Vu all over again.
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Jan - 02 Mar 2005 02:13 GMT > What is amalgam? http://www.amalgam.org/
http://www.amalgam.ukgo.com/Homepage.htm
http://www.whale.to/d/biblio.html
http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/amalgampage.htm
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html
http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/_dental_amalgam_mercury_ poisoning.html
http://www.lichtenberg.dk/mercury_vapour_in_the_oral_cavit.htm
http://www.dentalmaterial.gov.se/Mercury.pdf
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For starters
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 02 Mar 2005 02:38 GMT >> What is amalgam? What is an analgram?
>http://www.amalgam.org/
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