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Nursery School Teachers and the Flu
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Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 14:10 GMT One might think that nursery school teachers would continue to continue to warn people about matters of substance.
Here is one:
FLU
This is a shocking statistic:
About 40,000 Americans die annually from the flu, Cooper said. Moran said specific Philadelphia numbers were not available because flu is not a disease that doctors are required to report.
Joel
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Posted on Thu, Feb. 17, 2005
Fifth grader dies after falling ill with influenza
By Natalie Pompilio
Inquirer Staff Writer
An 11-year-old Philadelphia boy died from complications from influenza this week, the second area child to die from the common winter ailment in as many weeks.
The fifth-grade student at F. Amadee Bregy Elementary School in South Philadelphia was hospitalized Sunday, school officials said. Health Department spokesman Jeff Moran said the boy, whose name was not released, died this week. Moran said the child had an existing condition that put him at risk for complications, but he would not elaborate.
An aide at the school said last night that the boy had asthma.
On Feb. 8, a sixth-grade student from Bala Cynwyd Middle School in Lower Merion died from flu complications at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. The school district's consulting physician said Adam Jordan Spandorfer, 11, had an unusual immune-system reaction to the flu.
Bregy principal Marion Daniel notified parents of the fifth-grader's death via a letter sent home with students yesterday. An information session about influenza for parents and interested parties will be held in Bregy's auditorium, at South 17th and Bigler Streets, at 2 p.m. today. Bregy houses 430 students in kindergarten through eighth grade.
Grief counselors were at the school yesterday and will continue to be available today, said Rhona Cooper, a school health coordinator for Philadelphia schools.
"These are elementary school kids, so they're really, some of them, having difficulty understanding what's happening," Cooper said. "We're supporting the family and the school. The loss is a loss for all of us. We feel it deeply."
About 40,000 Americans die annually from the flu, Cooper said. Moran said specific Philadelphia numbers were not available because flu is not a disease that doctors are required to report.
As far as district officials know, the Bregy student is the first Philadelphia student to die from the flu this year, Cooper said. Although officials do not monitor absences caused by flu, "it's been my impression that it hasn't been a huge influence on attendance this year... . We haven't seen any obvious spike in absence."
Cooper said parents can take preventive measures: getting their children the flu shot and advising them to wash their hands frequently.
Tony Bad - 17 Feb 2005 14:26 GMT > One might think that nursery school teachers would continue to > continue to warn people about matters of substance. > > Here is one: It is hard to understand how people pick their cause and poison. I had a patient who was as obsessed about amalgam as Jan seems to be. I used to dread her appointments because much like Jan, she would repeat the same mantra over and over and over. I welcome intelligent debate, but the endless and mindless repetition of the same point gets tiresome very quickly. The thing that pushed me over the edge was that she was probably about 50+ pounds overweight and smoked a pack or more of cigarettes a day! I had another guy who was also always worrying about the toxic effects of the materials we used in the office, asking for MSDS, and he too was a heavy smoker
Go figure.
T
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 15:57 GMT >It is hard to understand how people pick their cause and poison. I had a >patient who was as obsessed about amalgam as Jan seems to be. I used to >dread her appointments because much like Jan, I think they are subconsciously anti-dentites. They like blaming dentists, who have nothing to do with toxicology.
In fact, we are sort of oblivious to the role materials play with our work.
Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 15:59 GMT >I welcome intelligent debate, but the endless >and mindless repetition of the same point gets tiresome very quickly Exactly. There has been zero development with Jan's rant over more than five or eight years. I would be more respectful if she developed her theory a little further.
The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does this mean its a scientific dead-end?
Probably.
Joel
W_B - 17 Feb 2005 22:05 GMT >The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does >this mean its a scientific dead-end? > >Probably. > >Joel Ovines are ruminants, not good subjects for dental studies.
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W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 22:27 GMT >>The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does >>this mean its a scientific dead-end? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ><8^]]> "Ovines, eh?"
Steven Fawks - 17 Feb 2005 22:41 GMT As opposed to porcine, equine, bovine, canine, feline, etc.
If you worked any crossword puzzles, you would know that.
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>>Ovines are ruminants, not good subjects for dental studies. >> >><8^]]> > > "Ovines, eh?" Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 23:03 GMT >As opposed to porcine, equine, bovine, canine, feline, etc. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> "Ovines, eh?" porcine, equine, bovine, canine, feline
Relating to or suggesting swine
Hoofed mammals having slender legs and a flat coat with a narrow mane along the back of the neck
Any of various members of the genus Bos
One of the four pointed conical teeth (two in each jaw) located between the incisors and the premolars
Any of various lithe-bodied round-headed fissiped mammals many with retractile claws
... and Ovine is about eggs, right?
Joel
W_B - 18 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT >... and Ovine is about eggs, right? > >Joel Yeah, sheep eggs. --
W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Tony Bad - 18 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT > Yeah, sheep eggs. > -- Sheep eggs? are they like bull oysters??
T
W_B - 18 Feb 2005 04:17 GMT >> Yeah, sheep eggs. >> -- > >Sheep eggs? are they like bull oysters?? > >T You have confused them with 'lamb fries'...
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wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE
jdrew63929@aol.com - 18 Feb 2005 02:09 GMT > >The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does > >this mean its a scientific dead-end? > > > >Probably. > > > >Joel http://www.piercelaw.edu/risk/vol2/spring/royal.htm
A more recent study completed by the University of Calgary found that monkey kidneys, like sheep kidneys, concentrated large amounts of mercury when given amalgam fillings.115 Another study of two adult monkeys at the University of Georgia, in cooperation with the University of Calgary, concluded that bacteria normally present in the digestive tracts of monkeys were disrupted.116 The normal bacteria were replaced by a strain of mercury-resistant bacteria that recycle the metal in the body instead of allowing the monkey to excrete it.117 Preliminary research in human subjects indicates that people with silver fillings also develop bacteria that can use mercury.118 One researcher from the University of Georgia study stated, "This may... explain why not all mercury entering the body is excreted and high levels are found in certain organs. ... It proves that mercury is 'bio-available' -- something that dentists have been denying for years."119 However, the ADA dismissed the above "animal studies as irrelevant to humans,"120 although a monkey's "dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans."121
NOYB - 23 Feb 2005 18:00 GMT My favorite line (but I'm not sure what it means):
"the mercury amalgam issue is an internal Love Canal waiting to be exposed." "
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 16:00 GMT >pushed me over the edge was that she was probably about 50+ >pounds overweight and smoked a pack or more of cigarettes a day! I love it!
YES!!!!!!
Even right here we keep telling Jan not to break dance as it might damage her sacro-iliac.
Joel'
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 16:01 GMT >pushed me over the edge was that she was probably about 50+ >pounds overweight and smoked a pack or more of cigarettes a day! Even without, here is a patient who I recommended penicillin, then root canal therapy. After eight months of his fooling with his naturopathic remedies, echinacea, etc., the tooth finally needed yanking.
So who is to blame here?
Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 16:02 GMT >asking for MSDS, and he too was a heavy >smoker YES!
Or Jan eating all of her crappy foods over there.
I bet she goes for the 4:00 dinner special in Florida which has been shown to cause senility in large doses.
Joel
jdrew63929@aol.com - 18 Feb 2005 01:40 GMT > > One might think that nursery school teachers would continue to > > continue to warn people about matters of substance. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is hard to understand how people pick their cause and poison. I had a > patient who was as obsessed about amalgam as Jan seems to be. I have news for you Tony, when one is poisoned by amalgams and nearly dies, they have very good reason to tell others to check the teeth if they have *unanswered health problems*
You choose to call that obsessed, because you have no clue. I don't know what Joel had to say, but I see the title of this thread. A pity you reply to such a liar and idiot.
You belittling, lies and denial are betwen you and God, and yes, he will hold you responsibile.
Jan
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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 17 Feb 2005 16:47 GMT > Here is one: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > available because flu is not a disease > that doctors are required to report. Can't pass up this one. You can almost make a safe bet that crohns was the culprit in part of these deaths in the youngsters. The flu is an illness almost any child can throw off, unless he is compromised with another condition in addition. And crohns, the misunderstood with its unlikely cause fits in well for such a disastrous occurence. No one barely can understand the scope of what this illness fueled by stimulants is capable of. Unfortunately. Problem is it takes a professional, physican or similar person of science to notice and SPEAK UP. NO ONE, even if they may think crohns is possibly caused by this weird phenomenom, will put their reputation or whatever it takes, on the line to be accused of such nonsense.
This nonsense, however, is no nonsense in what it is capable of and increasing in numbers along with the increase of the use of stimulants, mainly anti-depressants, what many may take to lighten the burden of daily living Have you read the article on website http://www.whale.to/a/sbs666.html which states that Shaken Baby Syndrome has imprisoned many on frightening miscarriages of justice in British legal history and are now being freed. Nothing so startling. And not unexpected if one knows the history of crohns which covers more than what YOU OR ANYONE would suspect. Too bad Dr. Burrill Crohn is not here, I think he would give credence to the theory of stimulants. Waiting for science to catch up or give up on this one. One writer always said her husband was poisoning her, as she had crohns for so long, until she now has a new partner and has been free of crohns ever since. Sound familiar with Arafat. The palestenians were saying he was poisoned. Not exactly accurate, but close in concept. For lack of a better word, the cause becomes "poisoning" One professional said to me "well, what shall we do with the person on an anti-depressant, kill her?" that I claim and still do, was causing others in her path to become ill. I could only answer, "No, we should let her kill everyone else." Gail
NOYB - 23 Feb 2005 18:02 GMT How many kids have day care owners killed?
Probably a lot more than amalgam.
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