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Nursery School Teachers and the Flu

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Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 14:10 GMT
One might think that nursery school teachers would continue to
continue to warn people about matters of substance.

Here is one:

FLU

This is a shocking statistic:

About 40,000 Americans die annually
from the flu, Cooper said. Moran said
specific Philadelphia numbers were not
available because flu is not a disease
that doctors are required to report.

Joel

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Posted on Thu, Feb. 17, 2005




Fifth grader dies after falling ill with influenza

By Natalie Pompilio

Inquirer Staff Writer

An 11-year-old Philadelphia boy died from complications from influenza
this week, the second area child to die from the common winter ailment
in as many weeks.

The fifth-grade student at F. Amadee Bregy Elementary School in South
Philadelphia was hospitalized Sunday, school officials said. Health
Department spokesman Jeff Moran said the boy, whose name was not
released, died this week. Moran said the child had an existing
condition that put him at risk for complications, but he would not
elaborate.

An aide at the school said last night that the boy had asthma.

On Feb. 8, a sixth-grade student from Bala Cynwyd Middle School in
Lower Merion died from flu complications at Children's Hospital of
Philadelphia. The school district's consulting physician said Adam
Jordan Spandorfer, 11, had an unusual immune-system reaction to the
flu.

Bregy principal Marion Daniel notified parents of the fifth-grader's
death via a letter sent home with students yesterday. An information
session about influenza for parents and interested parties will be
held in Bregy's auditorium, at South 17th and Bigler Streets, at 2
p.m. today. Bregy houses 430 students in kindergarten through eighth
grade.

Grief counselors were at the school yesterday and will continue to be
available today, said Rhona Cooper, a school health coordinator for
Philadelphia schools.

"These are elementary school kids, so they're really, some of them,
having difficulty understanding what's happening," Cooper said. "We're
supporting the family and the school. The loss is a loss for all of
us. We feel it deeply."

About 40,000 Americans die annually from the flu, Cooper said. Moran
said specific Philadelphia numbers were not available because flu is
not a disease that doctors are required to report.

As far as district officials know, the Bregy student is the first
Philadelphia student to die from the flu this year, Cooper said.
Although officials do not monitor absences caused by flu, "it's been
my impression that it hasn't been a huge influence on attendance this
year... . We haven't seen any obvious spike in absence."

Cooper said parents can take preventive measures: getting their
children the flu shot and advising them to wash their hands
frequently.
Tony Bad - 17 Feb 2005 14:26 GMT
> One might think that nursery school teachers would continue to
> continue to warn people about matters of substance.
>
> Here is one:

It is hard to understand how people pick their cause and poison. I had a
patient who was as obsessed about amalgam as Jan seems to be. I used to
dread her appointments because much like Jan, she would repeat the same
mantra over and over and over. I welcome intelligent debate, but the endless
and mindless repetition of the same point gets tiresome very quickly. The
thing that pushed me over the edge was that she was probably about 50+
pounds overweight and smoked a pack or more of cigarettes a day! I had
another guy who was also always worrying about the toxic effects of the
materials we used in the office, asking for MSDS, and he too was a heavy
smoker

Go figure.

T
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 15:57 GMT
>It is hard to understand how people pick their cause and poison. I had a
>patient who was as obsessed about amalgam as Jan seems to be. I used to
>dread her appointments because much like Jan,

I think they are subconsciously anti-dentites. They like blaming
dentists, who have nothing to do with toxicology.

In fact, we are sort of oblivious to the role materials play with our
work.

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 15:59 GMT
>I welcome intelligent debate, but the endless
>and mindless repetition of the same point gets tiresome very quickly

Exactly. There has been zero development with Jan's rant over more
than five or eight years. I would be more respectful if she developed
her theory a little further.

The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does
this mean its a scientific dead-end?

Probably.

Joel
W_B - 17 Feb 2005 22:05 GMT
>The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does
>this mean its a scientific dead-end?
>
>Probably.
>
>Joel

Ovines are ruminants, not good subjects for dental studies.

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W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 22:27 GMT
>>The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does
>>this mean its a scientific dead-end?
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>
><8^]]>

"Ovines, eh?"
Steven Fawks - 17 Feb 2005 22:41 GMT
As opposed to porcine, equine, bovine, canine, feline, etc.

If you worked any crossword puzzles, you would know that.

<G>
Fawks

>>Ovines are ruminants, not good subjects for dental studies.
>>
>><8^]]>
>
> "Ovines, eh?"
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 23:03 GMT
>As opposed to porcine, equine, bovine, canine, feline, etc.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> "Ovines, eh?"

porcine, equine, bovine, canine, feline

Relating to or suggesting swine

Hoofed mammals having slender legs and a flat coat with a narrow mane
along the back of the neck

Any of various members of the genus Bos

One of the four pointed conical teeth (two in each jaw) located
between the incisors and the premolars

Any of various lithe-bodied round-headed fissiped mammals many with
retractile claws

... and Ovine is about eggs, right?

Joel
W_B - 18 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT
>... and Ovine is about eggs, right?
>
>Joel

Yeah, sheep eggs.
--

W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Tony Bad - 18 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT
> Yeah, sheep eggs.
> --

Sheep eggs? are they like bull oysters??

T
W_B - 18 Feb 2005 04:17 GMT
>> Yeah, sheep eggs.
>> --
>
>Sheep eggs? are they like bull oysters??
>
>T

You have confused them with 'lamb fries'...

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
jdrew63929@aol.com - 18 Feb 2005 02:09 GMT
> >The sheep studies Jan posted in 1996-7 have had zero follow up. Does
> >this mean its a scientific dead-end?
> >
> >Probably.
> >
> >Joel

http://www.piercelaw.edu/risk/vol2/spring/royal.htm

A more recent study completed by the University of Calgary found that
monkey kidneys, like sheep kidneys, concentrated large amounts of
mercury when given amalgam fillings.115 Another study of two adult
monkeys at the University of Georgia, in cooperation with the
University of Calgary, concluded that bacteria normally present in the
digestive tracts of monkeys were disrupted.116 The normal bacteria were
replaced by a strain of mercury-resistant bacteria that recycle the
metal in the body instead of allowing the monkey to excrete it.117
Preliminary research in human subjects indicates that people with
silver fillings also develop bacteria that can use mercury.118 One
researcher from the University of Georgia study stated, "This may...
explain why not all mercury entering the body is excreted and high
levels are found in certain organs. ... It proves that mercury is
'bio-available' -- something that dentists have been denying for
years."119 However, the ADA dismissed the above "animal studies as
irrelevant to humans,"120 although a monkey's "dentition, diet, feeding
regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans."121
NOYB - 23 Feb 2005 18:00 GMT
My favorite line (but I'm not sure what it means):

"the mercury amalgam issue is an internal Love Canal waiting to be
exposed." "
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 16:00 GMT
>pushed me over the edge was that she was probably about 50+
>pounds overweight and smoked a pack or more of cigarettes a day!

I love it!

YES!!!!!!

Even right here we keep telling Jan not to break dance as it might
damage her sacro-iliac.

Joel'
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 16:01 GMT
>pushed me over the edge was that she was probably about 50+
>pounds overweight and smoked a pack or more of cigarettes a day!

Even without, here is a patient who I recommended penicillin, then
root canal therapy. After eight months of his fooling with his
naturopathic remedies, echinacea, etc., the tooth finally needed
yanking.

So who is to blame here?

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Feb 2005 16:02 GMT
>asking for MSDS, and he too was a heavy
>smoker

YES!

Or Jan eating all of her crappy foods over there.

I bet she goes for the 4:00 dinner special in Florida which has been
shown to cause senility in large doses.

Joel
jdrew63929@aol.com - 18 Feb 2005 01:40 GMT
> > One might think that nursery school teachers would continue to
> > continue to warn people about matters of substance.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> It is hard to understand how people pick their cause and poison. I had a
> patient who was as obsessed about amalgam as Jan seems to be.

I have news for you Tony, when one is poisoned by amalgams and nearly
dies, they have very good reason to tell others to check the teeth if
they have *unanswered health problems*

You choose to call that obsessed, because you have no clue. I don't
know what Joel had to say, but I see the title of this thread. A pity
you reply to such a liar and idiot.

You belittling, lies and denial are betwen you and God, and yes, he
will hold you responsibile.

Jan

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kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 17 Feb 2005 16:47 GMT
> Here is one:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> available because flu is not a disease
> that doctors are required to report.

Can't pass up this one.    You can almost make a safe bet that crohns was
the culprit in part of these deaths in the youngsters.     The flu is an
illness almost any child can throw off,  unless he is compromised with
another condition in addition.   And crohns, the misunderstood with its
unlikely cause fits in well for such a disastrous occurence.
No one barely can understand the scope of what this illness fueled by
stimulants  is capable of.  Unfortunately.   Problem is it takes a
professional, physican or similar person of science to notice and SPEAK UP.
NO ONE, even if they may think crohns is possibly caused by this weird
phenomenom, will put their reputation or whatever it takes, on the line to
be accused of such nonsense.

This nonsense, however, is no nonsense in what it is capable of and
increasing in numbers along with the increase of the use of stimulants,
mainly anti-depressants, what many may take to lighten the burden of daily
living
Have you read the article on website
http://www.whale.to/a/sbs666.html    which states that Shaken Baby Syndrome
has imprisoned many on frightening miscarriages of justice in British legal
history and are now being freed.
Nothing so startling.   And not unexpected if one knows the history of
crohns which covers more than what YOU OR ANYONE would suspect.
Too bad Dr. Burrill Crohn is not here, I think he would give credence to the
theory of stimulants.
Waiting for science to catch up or give up on this one.
One writer always said her husband was poisoning her, as she had crohns for
so long, until she now has a new partner and has been free of crohns ever
since.  Sound familiar with Arafat.   The palestenians were saying he was
poisoned.
Not exactly accurate, but close in concept.   For lack of a better word, the
cause becomes "poisoning"
One professional said to me "well, what shall we do with the person on an
anti-depressant, kill her?"  that I claim and still do, was causing others
in her path to become ill.
I could only answer, "No, we should let her kill everyone else."
Gail
NOYB - 23 Feb 2005 18:02 GMT
How many kids have day care owners killed?

Probably a lot more than amalgam.
 
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