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LadyLollipop - 15 Feb 2005 07:02 GMT
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'91 Memo Warned of Mercury in Shots

By Myron Levin
Times Staff Writer

February 8, 2005

A memo from Merck & Co. shows that, nearly a decade before the first public
disclosure, senior executives were concerned that infants were getting an
elevated dose of mercury in vaccinations containing a widely used
sterilizing agent.

The March 1991 memo, obtained by The Times, said that 6-month-old children
who received their shots on schedule would get a mercury dose up to 87 times
higher than guidelines for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from
fish.

"When viewed in this way, the mercury load appears rather large," said the
memo from Dr. Maurice R. Hilleman, an internationally renowned
vaccinologist. It was written to the president of Merck's vaccine division.

The memo was prepared at a time when U.S. health authorities were
aggressively expanding their immunization schedule by adding five new shots
for children in their first six months. Many of these shots, as well as some
previously included on the vaccine schedule, contained thimerosal, an
antibacterial compound that is nearly 50% ethyl mercury, a neurotoxin.

Federal health officials disclosed for the first time in 1999 that many
infants were being exposed to mercury above health guidelines through
routine vaccinations. The announcement followed a review by the U.S. Food
and Drug Administration that was described at the time as a first effort to
assess the cumulative mercury dose.

But the Merck memo shows that at least one major manufacturer was aware of
the concern much earlier.

"The key issue is whether thimerosal, in the amount given with the vaccine,
does or does not constitute a safety hazard," the memo said. "However,
perception of hazard may be equally important."

Merck officials would not discuss the contents of the memo, citing pending
litigation.

Separately, the drug giant is trying to fend off a legal onslaught over
Vioxx, the popular painkiller it introduced in 1999. The company, based in
Whitehouse Station, N.J., faces hundreds of lawsuits claiming that the drug
caused heart problems and that Merck concealed the risks. Merck, which in
September pulled Vioxx off the market, has denied the allegations.

The legacy of thimerosal, meanwhile, also is causing problems for Merck and
other drug companies.

More than 4,200 claims have been filed in a special federal tribunal, the
Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, by parents asserting that their
children suffered autism or other neurodevelopmental disorders from mercury
in vaccines. A handful of similar claims are awaiting trial in civil courts.
The plaintiffs cite various scientific studies that they say prove the
dangers of thimerosal, including at the levels found in vaccines.

Thimerosal has been largely removed from pediatric vaccines in recent years
in what health officials have described as a precautionary measure. (This
has been accomplished as drug makers have voluntarily switched from
multi-dose vials of vaccine, which require a chemical preservative like
thimerosal, to single-dose containers.)

In September, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation prohibiting
vaccines with more than trace amounts of thimerosal from being given to
babies and pregnant women. Iowa has a similar ban.

For their part, Merck and other vaccine makers, along with many government
health officials and scientists, say there is no credible evidence of harm
from the amounts of mercury once widely present in kids' shots. They cite a
report in May by a committee of the national Institute of Medicine
concluding that the evidence "favors rejection of a causal relationship"
between vaccines and autism.

The seven-page Merck memo was provided to The Times by James A. Moody, a
Washington lawyer who works with parent groups on vaccine safety issues. He
said he obtained it from a whistle-blower whom he would not name.

The memo provides the "first hard evidence that the companies knew - or at
least Merck knew - that the children were getting significantly more
mercury" than the generally accepted dose, the lawyer said.

He also provided a copy to attorneys for Vera Easter, a Texas woman who
blames thimerosal for the condition of her 7-year-old son, Jordan, who is
autistic and mentally retarded. The Easter lawsuit is pending in U.S.
District Court for the Eastern District of Texas. The defendants include
Merck; rival vaccine makers GlaxoSmithKline, Aventis Pasteur Inc. and Wyeth;
and thimerosal developer Eli Lilly & Co.

Easter's lawyer, Andy Waters, described the memo as "incredibly damning and
incredibly significant." After receiving it in the fall, he confronted Merck
lawyers about why he hadn't seen it earlier.

In a letter to Waters in October, Merck attorneys said they had in fact made
available 32 boxes of records, but that the copying service hired by the
plaintiffs for some reason had failed to copy several of the boxes -
including the one with the Hilleman memo.

"The memo," said company spokeswoman Mary Elizabeth Blake, "was produced
voluntarily by Merck in the ordinary course of discovery proceedings."

Hilleman is a former senior vice president of Merck who developed numerous
vaccines for the company. A 1999 profile in the Philadelphia Inquirer said
that "it is no exaggeration to assert, as many scientists do, that Maurice
Hilleman has saved more lives than any other living scientist."

Hilleman, 85, currently director of the Merck Institute for Vaccinology, had
officially retired and was a consultant to Merck when he wrote the '91 memo.
He declined to be interviewed.

The memo was sent to Dr. Gordon Douglas, then head of Merck's vaccine
division and now a consultant for the Vaccine Research Center at the
National Institutes of Health. Douglas also declined to comment.

The memo stated that regulators in several countries had raised concerns
about thimerosal, including in Sweden, where the chemical was being removed
from vaccines.

"The public awareness has been raised by the sequential wave of experiences
in Sweden including mercury exposure from additives, fish, contaminated air,
bird deaths from eating mercury-treated seed grains, dental amalgam leakage,
mercury allergy, etc.," the memo said.

It noted that Sweden had set a daily maximum allowance of mercury from fish
of 30 micrograms for a 160-pound adult, roughly the same guideline used by
the FDA. Adjusting for the body weight of infants, Hilleman calculated that
babies who received their shots on schedule could get 87 times the mercury
allowance.

The Swedish and FDA guidelines work out to about four-tenths of a microgram
of mercury per kilogram of body weight. A stricter standard of one-tenth of
a microgram per kilogram has been adopted by the Environmental Protection
Agency and endorsed by the National Research Council.

These standards are based on methyl mercury, the type found in fish and
airborne emissions from power plants. Though toxic, the ethyl mercury in
thimerosal may be less hazardous than methyl mercury, some scientists say,
because it is more quickly purged from the body.

"It appears essentially impossible, based on current information, to
ascertain whether thimerosal in vaccines constitutes or does not constitute
a significant addition to the normal daily input of mercury from diverse
sources," the memo said.

"It is reasonable to conclude" that it should be eliminated where possible,
he said, "especially where use in infants and young children is
anticipated."

In the U.S., however, thimerosal continued to be added throughout the '90s
to a number of widely used pediatric vaccines for hepatitis B, bacterial
meningitis, diphtheria, whooping cough and tetanus.

It was added to multi-dose vials of vaccine to prevent contamination from
repeated insertion of needles to extract the medicine. It was not needed in
single-dose vials, but most doctors and clinics preferred to order vaccine
in multi-dose containers because of the lower cost and easier storage.

The Hilleman memo said that unlike regulators in Sweden and some other
countries, "the U.S. Food and Drug Administration . does not have this
concern for thimerosal."

A turning point came in 1997 when Congress passed a bill ordering an FDA
review of mercury ingredients in food and drugs.

Completed in 1999, the review revealed the high level of mercury exposure
from pediatric vaccines and raised a furor. In e-mails later released at a
congressional hearing, an FDA official said health authorities could be
criticized for "being 'asleep at the switch' for decades by allowing a
potentially hazardous compound to remain in many childhood vaccines, and not
forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products."

It would not have taken "rocket science" to add up the amount of exposure as
the prescribed number of shots was increasing, one of the e-mails said.

While asserting that there was no proof of harm, the U.S. Public Health
Service in July 1999 called on manufacturers to go mercury-free by switching
to single-dose vials. Soon after, Merck introduced a mercury-free version of
its hepatitis B vaccine, replacing the only thimerosal-containing vaccine it
was still marketing at the time, a company spokesman said.

By 2002, thimerosal had been eliminated or reduced to trace levels in nearly
all childhood vaccines. One exception is the pediatric flu vaccine made by
Aventis and still sold mainly in multi-dose vials.

Robert E. Reeves
REEVES LAW OFFICE
167 West Main St., Suite 1310
Lexington, KY 40507
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Feb 2005 12:08 GMT
><http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-fi-vaccine8feb08,1,1695027.stor
>y?ctrack=1&cset=true> &cset=true
>
>'91 Memo Warned of Mercury in Shots
>
>By Myron Levin

You are kidding? Jello Shots have mercury in them?

Joel
Matt - 16 Feb 2005 02:17 GMT
>><http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-fi-vaccine8feb08,1,1695027.stor
>>y?ctrack=1&cset=true> &cset=true
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joel

Joel, I'm sure no one here will disagree that we really appreciate the
endless stream of your simply hilarious posts in s.m.d.  But don't
deprive the rest of the world.  I expect the folks over in
alt.support.autism would love to hear you making light about autism and
mercury.
jdrew63929@aol.com - 16 Feb 2005 05:41 GMT
>><http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-fi-vaccine8feb08,1,1695027.stor
> >>y?ctrack=1&cset=true> &cset=true
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Joel, I'm sure no one here will disagree that we really appreciate
the  endless stream of your simply hilarious posts in s.m.d.

You need an education of Joel LYING,inpersonating and over the line
posts, which resulted in closing of two of his accounts.

But don't  deprive the rest of the world.  I expect the folks over in
> alt.support.autism would love to hear you making light about autism
and mercury.

I see you are a troll.

================

>From his peers:

==
I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to
characterise the
PHS report as
proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the
facts.
People who rely
on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better.

Hi Judge Joel,

You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a
long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch-
processes in a former life, or what?

Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally
spreading blatant lies.

Hans
=====
Dear Dr. Eichen,

>> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to
do
>> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague
dentists
>> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important?
I'm
>> flattered!!!
>>
>> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse.
For
>> your information,  the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest
>> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action.
>>
>> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive
with
>> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by
>> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily
exposure
>> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries
>> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in
children
>> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of
mercury
>> amalgams.
Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG,
>> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html,
>> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest
>> rate of suicide professionaly in this country.
>>
>> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or
are
>> you still reading comic books.

===

To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make
a complete fool out of himself,

Wrong again !  Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" !

If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only
conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again !

Cheers,
Hans

Joel M. Eichen wrote:
>The readers will decide!

Indeed !
The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what
you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able
to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings,
to support what you claim I said.  And I'm still waiting!

Hans

Joel M. Eichen wrote:
>At least we settled ...

I've been settling fine all along.  I am waiting for you to prove
that your allegations are right.  Or to watch you trying to
wiggle your way of this.  So Joel, which one will it be?

Joel wrote:
>Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers

Hans replied:
>Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not
>one single word!  Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" !

Still waiting ....

Hans

Joel M. Eichen wrote:
>Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . .

That was a nice attempt to wiggle.  What's next?

Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right.

Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself.

Which one is next?  Smoke or standard smokescreen?

Hans

Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge
smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to
pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is

>Nelson wrote:
>
>>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me
>>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his
style in
>>the group for all to see.  As usual, he ignors the question asked and
starts
>>quoting the same BS.
>>I never said what you state below I said.  Let me rephrase the
question.
>>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body?  NOw that is
the
>>question, Joel.  Please a simple answer.  If the government agencies,
"CDC,
>>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely
the
>>truth?  What an obsurd correlation made by you.
>>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of
context.  A
>>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I
was
>>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did
about
>>what he taught.  Precisely because you have not studied what he
taught and
>>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and
predjudice.
>>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently
than
>>actually said for your own means.  I believe the reason the CDC,
USPHS,
>>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before
they state
>>that amalgam is harmful.  Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more
>>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California.  This doesn't
make the
>>air in Southern California clean, though.  I suppose you are an
expert on
>>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air
quality is
>>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities
and
>>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the
air.
>>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between
them
>>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant
enough
>>to place a known toxin in someones mouth.  This is a personal
decision.  I
>>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my
>>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry.
>>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the
newsgroup
>>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most
blocked
>>smd user of all time.  I respect your right to state an opinion, I
just
>>don't have to read it.
>>Other comments in text:
Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile
From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.takeout@home.msen.com
Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com>

See Joel???

Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is
interested
in has driven more people off this forum.  Before long. it will be just
the
Eichen cross posting news.
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Feb 2005 09:19 GMT
>> Joel, I'm sure no one here will disagree that we really appreciate
>the  endless stream of your simply hilarious posts in s.m.d.
>
>You need an education of Joel LYING,inpersonating and over the line
>posts, which resulted in closing of two of his accounts.

Dental newsgroup, not autism newsgroup.

Dentures, root canal, veneers, crowns, gums ..... no autism.

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Feb 2005 09:19 GMT
>>>'91 Memo Warned of Mercury in Shots
>> You are kidding? Jello Shots have mercury in them?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>alt.support.autism would love to hear you making light about autism and
>mercury.

So why bug the people at sci.med.dentistry with autism stuff?

You DID get my point. This is the dental newsgroup.

Joel
Matt - 25 Feb 2005 14:05 GMT
>>>>'91 Memo Warned of Mercury in Shots
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> So why bug the people at sci.med.dentistry with autism stuff?

Wow, so if mercury in vaccines causes autism, that is unrelated to
dentistry?  I didn't know.

> You DID get my point. This is the dental newsgroup.

Well you see it would have beeen considerable work for me to get that
point.

First I would have had to assume contrary to experience that your post
_had_ a point.

Then I would have to throw out my memories of your many off-topic posts;
then it would be plausible that you are trying to keep the group
on-topic.  (Today you posted news of a financial scandal involving
Krispy Kreme donuts).

Then I would have to believe that mercury in vaccines has no relevance
to mercury in fillings.

With all those obstacles out of the way, it is still quite a leap from:

     You are kidding? Jello Shots have mercury in them?
to:
     Your post is off-topic.

So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 14:27 GMT
>Wow, so if mercury in vaccines causes autism, that is unrelated to
>dentistry?  I didn't know.

Now you know ......
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 14:27 GMT
>Then I would have to throw out my memories of your many off-topic posts;
>then it would be plausible that you are trying to keep the group
>on-topic.  (Today you posted news of a financial scandal involving
>Krispy Kreme donuts).

Krispy-Keme -- - - -> donuts - - - -> tooth decay!

Gotcha!
Matt - 25 Feb 2005 18:27 GMT
>>Then I would have to throw out my memories of your many off-topic posts;
>>then it would be plausible that you are trying to keep the group
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Gotcha!

deceit
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 14:27 GMT
>Then I would have to believe that mercury in vaccines has no relevance
>to mercury in fillings.

Now you know .....
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 14:31 GMT
>So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
>mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...

Hey Dude!

What do you suppose usenet is?

A college course?

Joel
Matt - 25 Feb 2005 18:38 GMT
>>So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
>>mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joel

I would hope it's more than a forum for mindless thought-stopping BS.
Seems like you are happier if it is no more than that ... Dude.
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 18:53 GMT
>>>So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
>>>mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I would hope it's more than a forum for mindless thought-stopping BS.
>Seems like you are happier if it is no more than that ... Dude.

I can meet you on many levels but
quite honestly, most people are just bored by all of it.

We can read books to learn stuff too.

Joel
clintonz@prodigy.net - 25 Feb 2005 15:05 GMT
> So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
> mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...

Think of Joel as a poster child for the combined luncay
and lack of concern by the ADA. His lunacy is in your
dentists head. Do you really want them handling Hg around
you?
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 15:05 GMT
>> So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
>> mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>dentists head. Do you really want them handling Hg around
>you?

What is combined luncay?

I couldn't figure it out.

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 15:10 GMT
You may want to stop researching LUNCAY and start researching
amalgamitis, or at least what amalgam is.,

It is not a metal.

Joel

>>> So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
>>> mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 15:05 GMT
>> So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
>> mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>dentists head. Do you really want them handling Hg around
>you?

LUNCAY .. .sorry I found it.

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Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 15:11 GMT
>>Think of Joel as a poster child for the combined luncay
>>and lack of concern by the ADA. His lunacy is in your
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Luncay on Australia Day weekend in Sydney - Australian News - music
>magainze:

MARK TARKA: "What does Sir Reginald Luncay have to do with dentistry?"
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 15:08 GMT
>Think of Joel as a poster child for the combined luncay
>and lack of concern by the ADA. His lunacy is in your
>dentists head. Do you really want them handling Hg around
>you?

Is this Menses logic?

You do not like my message that you know nothing about amalgamitis so
you blame the entire ADA? I hope I do not lose my member status.

Joel

That is LUNCAY thinking.
clintonz@prodigy.net - 25 Feb 2005 15:27 GMT
> > You DID get my point. This is the dental newsgroup.
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> So it's pretty clear that your posts on this thread were just more
> mindless though-stopping BS and uh ...

You seem like a reasonable person (I hope you are not a lawyer).
looking at the issue objectively who do you blame for the
use of Hg in denistry? This didn't happen in a vacuum.
The public has known about it's use for nearly 100 years.
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 16:53 GMT
>You seem like a reasonable person (I hope you are not a lawyer).
>looking at the issue objectively who do you blame for the
>use of Hg in denistry? This didn't happen in a vacuum.
>The public has known about it's use for nearly 100 years.

At Mensa we say denistry and dennists.
Matt - 25 Feb 2005 18:48 GMT
>>>You DID get my point. This is the dental newsgroup.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> use of Hg in denistry? This didn't happen in a vacuum.
> The public has known about it's use for nearly 100 years.

Not sure whether anybody should be blamed.  I'm not sure that Hg is
harmful in dentistry or that it is a cause of autism, but prudence would
indicate that it should be avoided.

Hey, be more careful you don't misspell anything---Joel might hound you
about it forever.
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Feb 2005 19:05 GMT
>> looking at the issue objectively who do you blame for the
>> use of Hg in denistry? This didn't happen in a vacuum.
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>harmful in dentistry or that it is a cause of autism, but prudence would
>indicate that it should be avoided.

Yup, so we do.

>Hey, be more careful you don't misspell anything---Joel might hound you
>about it forever.

Yup.

Joel

Or until the cows come home whichever comes first.
 
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