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Disregard Joel Eichen posts. Joel is a lying, blathering, idiot and harasser. The exchange between him and a dentist from Sweden, with an addition form one of his peers here. Hans I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the PHS report as proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts. People who rely on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better. Hi Judge Joel, You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch- processes in a former life, or what? Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally spreading blatant lies. Hans ===== Dear Dr. Eichen, >> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do >> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists >> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm >> flattered!!! >> >> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For >> your information, the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest >> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action. >> >> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with >> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by >> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure >> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure. > >Yep, well said. She nailed you good. > >> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to >> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you >> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries >> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children >> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury >> amalgams. Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG, >> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html, >> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest >> rate of suicide professionaly in this country. >> >> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are >> you still reading comic books. === To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make a complete fool out of himself, Wrong again ! Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" ! If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again ! Cheers, Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >The readers will decide! Indeed ! The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings, to support what you claim I said. And I'm still waiting! Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >At least we settled ... I've been settling fine all along. I am waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to watch you trying to wiggle your way of this. So Joel, which one will it be? Joel wrote: >Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers Hans replied: >Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not >one single word! Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" ! Still waiting .... Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . . That was a nice attempt to wiggle. What's next? Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself. Which one is next? Smoke or standard smokescreen? Hans Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is >Nelson wrote: > >>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me >>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in >>the group for all to see. As usual, he ignors the question asked and >>starts >>quoting the same BS. >>I never said what you state below I said. Let me rephrase the question. >>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body? NOw that is the >>question, Joel. Please a simple answer. If the government agencies, >>"CDC, >>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely the >>truth? What an obsurd correlation made by you. >>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context. >>A >>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was >>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about >>what he taught. Precisely because you have not studied what he taught and >>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and >>predjudice. >>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than >>actually said for your own means. I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS, >>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they >>state >>that amalgam is harmful. Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more >>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California. This doesn't make >>the >>air in Southern California clean, though. I suppose you are an expert on >>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality >>is >>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and >>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the air. >>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them >>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant >>enough >>to place a known toxin in someones mouth. This is a personal decision. I >>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my >>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry. >>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the >>newsgroup >>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most >>blocked >>smd user of all time. I respect your right to state an opinion, I just >>don't have to read it. >>Other comments in text: Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.takeout@home.msen.com Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com> See Joel??? Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the Eichen cross posting news. >Disregard Joel Eichen posts. > >Joel is a lying, blathering, idiot and harasser. Gosh she talks just like Jan does ...... >The exchange between him and a dentist from Sweden, with an addition form >one of his peers here. [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] >in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the >Eichen cross posting news. It was my post added at the end of the previous message. I trust Joel's opinion on the topic of dental amalgam far more than I would take the opinion of a retired nursery school operator who refuses to discuss the topic like an adult. BTW, If the nursery school operator ever wishes to prove she can maintain an adult conversation with slandering the other person, I will be happy to attempt a scientific discussion with her. Unfortunately, she is not even capable of clarifying her own statements. Observe as she now responds with slander, accusation and calls me a liar.  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in message > From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.takeout@home.msen.com > Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time > Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the > Eichen cross posting news. > It was my post added at the end of the previous message. I trust Joel's > opinion on the topic of dental amalgam LadyLollipop Feb 13, 3:37 pm show options Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: "LadyLollipop" <LadyLolli...@insightbb.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:37:17 GMT Local: Sun, Feb 13 2005 3:37 pm Subject: for All New Readers Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Disregard Joel Eichen posts. Joel is a lying, blathering, idiot and harasser. The exchange between him and a dentist from Sweden, with an addition form one of his peers here. Hans I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the PHS report as proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts. People who rely on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better. Hi Judge Joel, You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch- processes in a former life, or what? Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally spreading blatant lies. Hans ===== Dear Dr. Eichen, - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - >> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do >> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists >> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm >> flattered!!! >> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For >> your information, the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest >> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action. >> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with >> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by >> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure >> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure. >Yep, well said. She nailed you good. >> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to >> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you >> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries >> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children >> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury >> amalgams. Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG, >> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html, >> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest >> rate of suicide professionaly in this country. >> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are >> you still reading comic books. === To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make a complete fool out of himself, Wrong again ! Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" ! If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again ! Cheers, Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >The readers will decide! Indeed ! The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings, to support what you claim I said. And I'm still waiting! Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >At least we settled ... I've been settling fine all along. I am waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to watch you trying to wiggle your way of this. So Joel, which one will it be? Joel wrote: >Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers Hans replied: >Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not >one single word! Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" ! Still waiting .... Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . . That was a nice attempt to wiggle. What's next? Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself. Which one is next? Smoke or standard smokescreen? Hans Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - >Nelson wrote: >>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me >>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in >>the group for all to see. As usual, he ignors the question asked and >>starts >>quoting the same BS. >>I never said what you state below I said. Let me rephrase the question. >>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body? NOw that is the >>question, Joel. Please a simple answer. If the government agencies, >>"CDC, >>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely the >>truth? What an obsurd correlation made by you. >>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context. >>A >>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was >>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about >>what he taught. Precisely because you have not studied what he taught and >>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and >>predjudice. >>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than >>actually said for your own means. I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS, >>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they >>state >>that amalgam is harmful. Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more >>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California. This doesn't make >>the >>air in Southern California clean, though. I suppose you are an expert on >>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality >>is >>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and >>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the air. >>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them >>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant >>enough >>to place a known toxin in someones mouth. This is a personal decision. I >>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my >>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>blocked >>smd user of all time. I respect your right to state an opinion, I just >>don't have to read it. >>Other comments in text: Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.take...@home.msen.com Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <v7fo43feqok...@corp.supernews.com> See Joel??? Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the Eichen cross posting news. >BTW, If the nursery school operator ever wishes to prove she can maintain an >adult conversation with slandering the other person, I will be happy to >attempt a scientific discussion with her. That'd be fine Dr Steve, but the trouble is in my experience when you DO come up against someone who IS capable of discussing the nature of dental amalgam in an adult and scientific manner then all you ever do is make up excuses for ignoring the items of scientific evidence which you don't like the sound of. Keith P Walsh > >BTW, If the nursery school operator ever wishes to prove she can maintain an > >adult conversation with slandering the other person, I will be happy to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Keith P Walsh >Subject: Re: Dr Steve's Continual lies and refusal >From: "Dr Steve" nos...@home.net >Date: 11/4/2004 4:29 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <Mgpid.19894$5b1.16...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> >>>I'll read the long posting IF you promise to discuss it with any of us. >>>Otherwise, it just gets deleted. >Notice the lack of any promise to discuss anything? You'll read *IF*??? Just HOW interested, are YOU??? WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury??? Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain??? Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms??? Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? > Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for > Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo. >Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England >> Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is >> safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part >> by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, YOU have WHAT to say about that??? >as the Coalition for Safe >> Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological >> Disorders), a private nonprofit organization, has shown. Editors of >> these journals will not publish studies that show a link between >> thimerosal and autism like Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, >> Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by >> Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can >> only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") >> journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where >> this one was published. Do discuss this, please! >Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three >> pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) >> doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings. > Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An >> average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury >> and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled >> mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped >> mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled >> through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the >> hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury >> that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers >> of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury >> levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. Discuss away!!! >The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One >> investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each >> year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing >> Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots. Waiting for your response. >> Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which >> officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not >> consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when >> other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 >> rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury >> that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate >> if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Nice combination huh?? > Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and >> dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Uh hmmmmmmmmm. WHY indeed?? > Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams >> and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on >> them is another. AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why? >. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis >> that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer s disease is a new >> truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each >> new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree??? > Second, it is violently opposed. We see it HERE!!!!! >And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage. <snip more about vaccines for now> >> Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and >> IOM, has gone to the other extreme. <snip> >> Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop >> implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the >> incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, >> particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you >> might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of >> Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them. Discussion open. <snip> >> If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this >> subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are >> perfectly safe, insist that he or she read Dr. Boyd Haley's response >> to the president of the ADA on his defense of dental amalgams. It is >> posted on this website. I sent it to my dentist who I had been going >> to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed >> dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings. Jan The harassers refusal to discuss. Just insults Dr Steve Nov 8 2004, 11:20 am Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: "Dr Steve" <nos...@home.net> - Maturity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, get some! =============== |
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