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Rich - 11 Feb 2005 05:42 GMT Got my temps today. Took 5 hours total for 16 teeth! They used a laser to trim my gums up, wasn't expecting that. What a smell. The "temps" are more like two bridges, whereas I thought there would be several small "temp veneers". At any rate I think there is something a little strange about my temps but can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps they are too perfectly straight, or too long. I go back next Wednesday for adjustments. Do you see something that needs adjusted in this picture: http://tinyurl.com/5zo9l
Thanks, Rich
weezie - 11 Feb 2005 08:55 GMT I'm not a dentist Rich, but those temps definitely look too long. I don't know how they look with your face, but they don't seem to match the height of you natural teeth, or anywhere near there. I say go with your gut on this one, and let the dentist know what you think.
-Luiza
Joel M. Eichen - 11 Feb 2005 12:58 GMT >I'm not a dentist Rich, but those temps definitely look too long. I >don't know how they look with your face, but they don't seem to match >the height of you natural teeth, or anywhere near there. I say go with >your gut on this one, and let the dentist know what you think. > >-Luiza Yup, but there are reasons for it. He had an open bite before, which you do not want to reproduce. How does it look with the closed or minimally opened lip?
Joel
Roy Brown - 11 Feb 2005 10:02 GMT Hard to say if they are too long or if you are overclosed from the pictures. On the link you provided the one with the blue line looks OK for the views you have provided. Can you post some showing your lips as well? (At rest, slight smile and big smile) I noticed a difference in the width and shape of the centrals. Without seeing rest of your face it looks like the midline is off and the long axis's are questionable. Remember these are "temps".
One way for you to check the length and position of the front teeth is through phonetics. Using the fricatives "F" and "V" you can tell if they are correct. Here is how to do it. Locate the vermillion border on your lower lip, that is the line between the wet shiny tissue and the dry wrinkled lips. If you look in a mirror and quickly count from 40 to 77, you will notice where the tips of your front teeth touch the lip. If you are an average person, the tips of the 2 front upper teeth should touch the vermillion border. If the teeth are too long they will be catching on your lip.
From the line in your picture it looks like you are indicating a less than 1mm excess in length. That should be easy enough to adjust.either now or in the final product. You will be surprised at how little adjustment makes such a major change. If you ask your dentist refine the temps to your liking before the finals are made, they can take an impression and send it to the lab to use as a guide for the final product.
You can try seeing how they would look shorter by using a fine black laundry marker. Dry the teeth off, and lightly mark the edges of the teeth with the marker and let it dry or you take the chance of getting black all over your lips. The black marks can be removed from the teeth by rubbing them with paper towel and an alcohol based mouthwash. Getting it off your lips is a lot more difficult. Using this technique, you can adjust how much you don't want to show and see for your self using a mirror.
You might also want to ask you dentist about temporarily cementing the finals if you have any doubts until you are happy with them.
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| Got my temps today. Took 5 hours total for 16 teeth! They used a laser to | trim my gums up, wasn't expecting that. What a smell. The "temps" are more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | Thanks, | Rich Rich - 11 Feb 2005 21:15 GMT Thanks for the advice. I tried counting from 40 to 77 and it seems OK. I was having a hard time talking yesterday. And I still can't get my Zs right. The dentist shortened them up a bit since my last post. Not quite to the blue line in the picture but it seems to have helped some. I'm not sure if they need to be shortened any more, maybe a little. Here is a new picture link with them shortened up a bit: http://tinyurl.com/68k47 I will certainly ask him to use temporary cement for the finals. Thanks!
Rich
> Hard to say if they are too long or if you are overclosed from the pictures. On > the link you provided the one with the blue line looks OK for the views you have [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > | Thanks, > | Rich Roy Brown - 12 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT They look OK for temps. The finals will most likely be a bit thinner since the temps need bulk for strength. A little bit in the mouth feels like a country mile. Reading out loud to yourself.it help adjust your speech a little quicker.
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| Thanks for the advice. I tried counting from 40 to 77 and it seems OK. I was | having a hard time talking yesterday. And I still can't get my Zs right. [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] | > | Thanks, | > | Rich W_B - 12 Feb 2005 00:48 GMT >I will certainly ask him to use temporary cement for the finals. Thanks! > >Rich Haven't looked at the pictures yet but the above is a bad idea. In fact I wouldn't even consider it.
Once the temps are to your satisfaction the dentist can make an impression of them and have your permanent restorations made almost exactly like them.
Porcelain veneers are 'bonded in place' there is no temporary 'cement' that would hold them.
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Roy Brown - 12 Feb 2005 01:28 GMT Point taken for veneers! I'm not so sure they are "veneers" though. Rich did say elsewhere in the thread:
"The "temps" are more like two bridges, whereas I thought there would be several small "temp veneers"."
and in another post
"8 had rct and needed a crown, 9 needed rct, all front teeth except a couple on bottom where almost totally composite material, three of them were build ups, some crowns, LOTS of fillings, lots of pain, and so on."
Sounds like we are talking crowns to me.
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| >I will certainly ask him to use temporary cement for the finals. Thanks! | > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com | Take out the G'RBAGE W_B - 12 Feb 2005 02:25 GMT >Point taken for veneers! I'm not so sure they are "veneers" though. Rich did say >elsewhere in the thread: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Sounds like we are talking crowns to me. Could be all ceramic veneer/mini-crowns ?
For a big case like that I would make the temps in one or two pieces with bis-acryl very limited 'spot' bonding to hold them in place until the porcelain is ready.
Steve Mancuso can say..."what's a temporary ?"
But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. Sometimes on a first molar.
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
-- W_B
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Roy Brown - 12 Feb 2005 03:50 GMT | >Point taken for veneers! I'm not so sure they are "veneers" though. Rich did say | >elsewhere in the thread: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. | Sometimes on a first molar. I agree. -- Roy
W_B - 12 Feb 2005 20:08 GMT >| But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, >| I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-- >Roy I wish we could practice together. We could throw the occasional bone to SM
<8^]]>
-- W_B
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Steven Bornfeld - 12 Feb 2005 20:35 GMT >>| But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, >>| I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > W_B What's a bone?
Mancuso
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Roy Brown - 13 Feb 2005 03:08 GMT | >>| But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, | >>| I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | | Mancuso Which Steve is this? I knew SM was heading out on at trip. Is this Steve @ Steve's or Steve phaking Steve?
Dr. Steve - 20 Feb 2005 02:03 GMT >| >>| But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, >| >>| I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Which Steve is this? I knew SM was heading out on at trip. Is this Steve @ >Steve's or Steve phaking Steve? It was the last choice. We just got in from a week of sun and surf. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
W_B - 13 Feb 2005 18:17 GMT >> We could throw the occasional bone to SM >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Mancuso Something you get when you take Cialis.
-- W_B
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Dr. Steve - 20 Feb 2005 02:02 GMT >>>| But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, >>>| I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Mancuso Buenos Dios muchacho
>> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Take out the G'RBAGE .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
W_B - 20 Feb 2005 06:49 GMT >>> W_B >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Buenos Dios muchacho Con mucho gusto !
¿ Qué passo mi hermano ?
-- W_B
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Gail Michael - 20 Feb 2005 17:14 GMT Con Mucho gusto!
Que passo mi hermano?
Yes Correct?
Gail
Dr. Steve - 20 Feb 2005 02:00 GMT >>| But, for the ultimate in all ceramic restoration esthetics, >>| I prefer stacked porcelain, everytime, on anteriors and bicuspids. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ><8^]]> woof, woof .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Dr. Steve - 20 Feb 2005 01:59 GMT >"If the only tool you have is a hammer, >everything looks like a nail." If your *Favorite* tool is a hammer, then you go looking for nails. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
Steven Bornfeld - 20 Feb 2005 02:22 GMT >>"If the only tool you have is a hammer, >>everything looks like a nail." > > If your *Favorite* tool is a hammer, then you go looking for nails. What's a hammer?
Steve
> .. > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. > Troy, Michigan, USA > > I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting.
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W_B - 20 Feb 2005 06:41 GMT >>"If the only tool you have is a hammer, >>everything looks like a nail." > > If your *Favorite* tool is a hammer, then you go looking for nails. >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. I don't have a favorite tool per se.
My favorite tool is the one that gits-r-done.
-- W_B
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bresaolina928@duskmail.com - 22 Mar 2005 16:47 GMT no_one@nowhere.net wrote:
> I don't have a favorite tool per se. > My favorite tool is the one that gits-r-done. > -- > W_B > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Thanks!
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W_B - 12 Feb 2005 01:18 GMT > Here is a new picture >link with them shortened up a bit: http://tinyurl.com/68k47 Nice temps they look good.
Looks to me that #8 (your upper right front tooth) is a little longer than #9 (the left one).
A little fine tuning and you be ready for 'hollywood'...
-- W_B
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Joel M. Eichen - 11 Feb 2005 12:57 GMT >Got my temps today. Took 5 hours total for 16 teeth! They used a laser to >trim my gums up, wasn't expecting that. What a smell. The "temps" are more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Thanks, >Rich You may want to live with the temporaries a while just to maie sure that you are simply not used to the new look.
Joel
Rich - 11 Feb 2005 21:16 GMT > >Got my temps today. Took 5 hours total for 16 teeth! They used a laser to > >trim my gums up, wasn't expecting that. What a smell. The "temps" are more [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Joel That's what the dentist said. I might be able to live with them until Wednesday!
Fawks - 11 Feb 2005 14:25 GMT Why were the braces only used for 3 months? On a casual observance, it looks like completed ortho is all you really needed.
Veneers are great for many instances, but why cut on teeth that don't need it?
Fawks
Rich - 11 Feb 2005 21:21 GMT > Why were the braces only used for 3 months? On a casual observance, > it looks like completed ortho is all you really needed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fawks 8 had rct and needed a crown, 9 needed rct, all front teeth except a couple on bottom where almost totally composite material, three of them were build ups, some crowns, LOTS of fillings, lots of pain, and so on. In my view I just thought my front teeth were shot. Plus they were transparent on the bottom, you could literally see through some places and most all of my teeth were grayish colored. The "before" picture didn't have the flash on the camera so it was hard to see all that. And I like these temps, I can eat anything now and it doesn't hurt! Thanks.
Rich
letsconnect - 12 Feb 2005 00:17 GMT > Perhaps they are too perfectly > straight, or too long. Seems to be the "in" thing these days. Apparently, Fibonacci is to blame. It'll go out of fashion soon enough.
Joel M. Eichen - 12 Feb 2005 11:41 GMT >> Perhaps they are too perfectly >> straight, or too long. > >Seems to be the "in" thing these days. Apparently, Fibonacci is to >blame. It'll go out of fashion soon enough. I agree. When the patient is unhappy, I give him Sr. Fibonacci's phone number!
Joel
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Leonardo Pisano Fibonacci
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Born: 1170 in (probably) Pisa (now in Italy) Died: 1250 in (possibly) Pisa (now in Italy) Click the picture above to see two larger pictures Show birthplace location
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Leonardo Pisano is better known by his nickname Fibonacci. He was the son of Guilielmo and a member of the Bonacci family. Fibonacci himself sometimes used the name Bigollo, which may mean good-for-nothing or a traveller. As stated in [1]:-
Did his countrymen wish to express by this epithet their disdain for a man who concerned himself with questions of no practical value, or does the word in the Tuscan dialect mean a much-travelled man, which he was?
Fibonacci was born in Italy but was educated in North Africa where his father, Guilielmo, held a diplomatic post. His father's job was to represent the merchants of the Republic of Pisa who were trading in Bugia, later called Bougie and now called Bejaia. Bejaia is a Mediterranean port in northeastern Algeria. The town lies at the mouth of the Wadi Soummam near Mount Gouraya and Cape Carbon. Fibonacci was taught mathematics in Bugia and travelled widely with his father and recognised the enormous advantages of the mathematical systems used in the countries they visited. Fibonacci writes in his famous book Liber abaci (1202):-
When my father, who had been appointed by his country as public notary in the customs at Bugia acting for the Pisan merchants going there, was in charge, he summoned me to him while I was still a child, and having an eye to usefulness and future convenience, desired me to stay there and receive instruction in the school of accounting. There, when I had been introduced to the art of the Indians' nine symbols through remarkable teaching, knowledge of the art very soon pleased me above all else and I came to understand it, for whatever was studied by the art in Egypt, Syria, Greece, Sicily and Provence, in all its various forms.
Fibonacci ended his travels around the year 1200 and at that time he returned to Pisa. There he wrote a number of important texts which played an important role in reviving ancient mathematical skills and he made significant contributions of his own. Fibonacci lived in the days before printing, so his books were hand written and the only way to have a copy of one of his books was to have another hand-written copy made. Of his books we still have copies of Liber abaci (1202), Practica geometriae (1220), Flos (1225), and Liber quadratorum. Given that relatively few hand-made copies would ever have been produced, we are fortunate to have access to his writing in these works. However, we know that he wrote some other texts which, unfortunately, are lost. His book on commercial arithmetic Di minor guisa is lost as is his commentary on Book X of Euclid's Elements which contained a numerical treatment of irrational numbers which Euclid had approached from a geometric point of view.
One might have thought that at a time when Europe was little interested in scholarship, Fibonacci would have been largely ignored. This, however, is not so and widespread interest in his work undoubtedly contributed strongly to his importance. Fibonacci was a contemporary of Jordanus but he was a far more sophisticated mathematician and his achievements were clearly recognised, although it was the practical applications rather than the abstract theorems that made him famous to his contemporaries.
The Holy Roman emperor was Frederick II. He had been crowned king of Germany in 1212 and then crowned Holy Roman emperor by the Pope in St Peter's Church in Rome in November 1220. Frederick II supported Pisa in its conflicts with Genoa at sea and with Lucca and Florence on land, and he spent the years up to 1227 consolidating his power in Italy. State control was introduced on trade and manufacture, and civil servants to oversee this monopoly were trained at the University of Naples which Frederick founded for this purpose in 1224.
Frederick became aware of Fibonacci's work through the scholars at his court who had corresponded with Fibonacci since his return to Pisa around 1200. These scholars included Michael Scotus who was the court astrologer, Theodorus Physicus the court philosopher and Dominicus Hispanus who suggested to Frederick that he meet Fibonacci when Frederick's court met in Pisa around 1225.
Johannes of Palermo, another member of Frederick II's court, presented a number of problems as challenges to the great mathematician Fibonacci. Three of these problems were solved by Fibonacci and he gives solutions in Flos which he sent to Frederick II. We give some details of one of these problems below.
After 1228 there is only one known document which refers to Fibonacci. This is a decree made by the Republic of Pisa in 1240 in which a salary is awarded to:-
... the serious and learned Master Leonardo Bigollo ....
This salary was given to Fibonacci in recognition for the services that he had given to the city, advising on matters of accounting and teaching the citizens.
Liber abaci, published in 1202 after Fibonacci's return to Italy, was dedicated to Scotus. The book was based on the arithmetic and algebra that Fibonacci had accumulated during his travels. The book, which went on to be widely copied and imitated, introduced the Hindu-Arabic place-valued decimal system and the use of Arabic numerals into Europe. Indeed, although mainly a book about the use of Arab numerals, which became known as algorism, simultaneous linear equations are also studied in this work. Certainly many of the problems that Fibonacci considers in Liber abaci were similar to those appearing in Arab sources.
The second section of Liber abaci contains a large collection of problems aimed at merchants. They relate to the price of goods, how to calculate profit on transactions, how to convert between the various currencies in use in Mediterranean countries, and problems which had originated in China.
A problem in the third section of Liber abaci led to the introduction of the Fibonacci numbers and the Fibonacci sequence for which Fibonacci is best remembered today:-
A certain man put a pair of rabbits in a place surrounded on all sides by a wall. How many pairs of rabbits can be produced from that pair in a year if it is supposed that every month each pair begets a new pair which from the second month on becomes productive?
The resulting sequence is 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, ... (Fibonacci omitted the first term in Liber abaci). This sequence, in which each number is the sum of the two preceding numbers, has proved extremely fruitful and appears in many different areas of mathematics and science. The Fibonacci Quarterly is a modern journal devoted to studying mathematics related to this sequence.
Many other problems are given in this third section, including these types, and many many more:
A spider climbs so many feet up a wall each day and slips back a fixed number each night, how many days does it take him to climb the wall. A hound whose speed increases arithmetically chases a hare whose speed also increases arithmetically, how far do they travel before the hound catches the hare. Calculate the amount of money two people have after a certain amount changes hands and the proportional increase and decrease are given.
There are also problems involving perfect numbers, problems involving the Chinese remainder theorem and problems involving summing arithmetic and geometric series.
Fibonacci treats numbers such as 10 in the fourth section, both with rational approximations and with geometric constructions.
A second edition of Liber abaci was produced by Fibonacci in 1228 with a preface, typical of so many second editions of books, stating that:-
... new material has been added [to the book] from which superfluous had been removed...
Another of Fibonacci's books is Practica geometriae written in 1220 which is dedicated to Dominicus Hispanus whom we mentioned above. It contains a large collection of geometry problems arranged into eight chapters with theorems based on Euclid's Elements and Euclid's On Divisions. In addition to geometrical theorems with precise proofs, the book includes practical information for surveyors, including a chapter on how to calculate the height of tall objects using similar triangles. The final chapter presents what Fibonacci called geometrical subtleties [1]:-
Among those included is the calculation of the sides of the pentagon and the decagon from the diameter of circumscribed and inscribed circles; the inverse calculation is also given, as well as that of the sides from the surfaces. ... to complete the section on equilateral triangles, a rectangle and a square are inscribed in such a triangle and their sides are algebraically calculated ...
In Flos Fibonacci gives an accurate approximation to a root of 10x + 2x2 + x3 = 20, one of the problems that he was challenged to solve by Johannes of Palermo. This problem was not made up by Johannes of Palermo, rather he took it from Omar Khayyam's algebra book where it is solved by means of the intersection of a circle and a hyperbola. Fibonacci proves that the root of the equation is neither an integer nor a fraction, nor the square root of a fraction. He then continues:-
And because it was not possible to solve this equation in any other of the above ways, I worked to reduce the solution to an approximation.
Without explaining his methods, Fibonacci then gives the approximate solution in sexagesimal notation as 1.22.7.42.33.4.40 (this is written to base 60, so it is 1 + 22/60 + 7/602 + 42/603 + ...). This converts to the decimal 1.3688081075 which is correct to nine decimal places, a remarkable achievement.
Liber quadratorum, written in 1225, is Fibonacci's most impressive piece of work, although not the work for which he is most famous. The book's name means the book of squares and it is a number theory book which, among other things, examines methods to find Pythogorean triples. Fibonacci first notes that square numbers can be constructed as sums of odd numbers, essentially describing an inductive construction using the formula n2 + (2n+1) = (n+1)2. Fibonacci writes:-
I thought about the origin of all square numbers and discovered that they arose from the regular ascent of odd numbers. For unity is a square and from it is produced the first square, namely 1; adding 3 to this makes the second square, namely 4, whose root is 2; if to this sum is added a third odd number, namely 5, the third square will be produced, namely 9, whose root is 3; and so the sequence and series of square numbers always rise through the regular addition of odd numbers.
To construct the Pythogorean triples, Fibonacci proceeds as follows:-
Thus when I wish to find two square numbers whose addition produces a square number, I take any odd square number as one of the two square numbers and I find the other square number by the addition of all the odd numbers from unity up to but excluding the odd square number. For example, I take 9 as one of the two squares mentioned; the remaining square will be obtained by the addition of all the odd numbers below 9, namely 1, 3, 5, 7, whose sum is 16, a square number, which when added to 9 gives 25, a square number.
Fibonacci also proves many interesting number theory results such as:
there is no x, y such that x2 + y2 and x2 - y2 are both squares.
and x4 - y4 cannot be a square.
He defined the concept of a congruum, a number of the form ab(a + b)(a - b), if a + b is even, and 4 times this if a + b is odd. Fibonacci proved that a congruum must be divisible by 24 and he also showed that for x, c such that x2 + c and x2 - c are both squares, then c is a congruum. He also proved that a square cannot be a congruum.
As stated in [2]:-
... the Liber quadratorum alone ranks Fibonacci as the major contributor to number theory between Diophantus and the 17th-century French mathematician Pierre de Fermat.
Fibonacci's influence was more limited than one might have hoped and apart from his role in spreading the use of the Hindu-Arabic numerals and his rabbit problem, Fibonacci's contribution to mathematics has been largely overlooked. As explained in [1]:-
Direct influence was exerted only by those portions of the "Liber abaci" and of the "Practica" that served to introduce Indian-Arabic numerals and methods and contributed to the mastering of the problems of daily life. Here Fibonacci became the teacher of the masters of computation and of the surveyors, as one learns from the "Summa" of Luca Pacioli ... Fibonacci was also the teacher of the "Cossists", who took their name from the word 'causa' which was first used in the West by Fibonacci in place of 'res' or 'radix'. His alphabetic designation for the general number or coefficient was first improved by Viète ...
Fibonacci's work in number theory was almost wholly ignored and virtually unknown during the Middle ages. Three hundred years later we find the same results appearing in the work of Maurolico.
The portrait above is from a modern engraving and is believed to not be based on authentic sources.
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StovePipe - 20 Feb 2005 04:11 GMT > At any rate I think there is something a little strange about my > temps but can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps they are too perfectly > straight, or too long. I go back next Wednesday for adjustments. Do you see > something that needs adjusted in this picture: http://tinyurl.com/5zo9l This is part of what temps are for: to test out how things will look and feel once the permanents are placed in. The temps can give you a lot of information this way. Don't look at the teeth this way; with your lips pulled back unnaturally. Look at your smile (mouth closed and open) and various positions of your lips and teeth as you speak. How open is your mouth when your bottom lip touches the teeth when you say Vivian? Does that feel right? Now wait a few days and do it again and see if you have adapted to this new length or not. You may want to stay on temps for a while yet and see how things develop. HTH SP
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