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ken - 07 Feb 2005 14:28 GMT
Last wednesday, the dentist filled a "hole" in my tooth - upper
molar...He said that the hole may not have been caused by decay, but by
root resorption...In any case he said the tooth & gum (the hole was
under the gum) would be sensitive for up to 2 weeks, particularly to
cold.

He said that if the tooth continued to ache (throb) after 2 weeks, it
might need a root canal.

Is it normal for the tooth area to ache up to 2 weeks after the
filling? It aches all the time (now day 6) and eating and drinking
(even tepid water) realy  sets it off..I can take only tylenol, because
of stomach ulcers and 2 tylenol every 4 hours really does nothing for
the pain.

Thanks

Ken
The Real Paul - 07 Feb 2005 17:43 GMT
If its giving you spontaneous pain then that is an indication for root canal
therapy. Teeth that hurt like that rarely calm down and even then probably
would need a root canal in the future.
The pain with temperature is also an indicator of an irreversibly damaged
nerve in your tooth.

> Last wednesday, the dentist filled a "hole" in my tooth - upper
> molar...He said that the hole may not have been caused by decay, but by
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>
> Ken
Jan - 08 Feb 2005 02:12 GMT
>Subject: need for root canal
>From: "ken" kphifer1934@yahoo.com
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>He said that if the tooth continued to ache (throb) after 2 weeks, it
>might need a root canal.

Find a dentist who is truthful.

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Toxicity from Root Canals

The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful; however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are said
to be the cadavers of the body.

I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

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>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.

>(San Francisco, CA) - For the first time anywhere, dentists will be
>required to post a warning about the dangers of mercury in their dental
>fillings. A California Superior court judge finalized the language for
>the warning to be posted in dentists' offices here today.

>The warning will read as follows:

>Notice to Patients, Proposition 65:

>Warning on dental amalgams, used in many dental fillings, causes exposure
>to mercury, a chemical known to the state of California to cause birth
>defects or other reproductive harm.

>Root canal treatments and restorations including fillings, crowns and
>bridges, use chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer.

>The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has studied the situation and
>approved for use all dental restorative materials.

>Consult your dentist to determine which materials are appropriate for your
>treatment.

>The exact language of the warning was argued and then finalized before
>Superior Court Judge James A. Robertson II between the California Dental
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>mercury dental fillings and root canals. The agreement also allows non-CDA
>dentists to opt in to the agreement and post the warning.

>The warning is the result of a lawsuit filed by The Law Offices of Shawn
>Khorrami on behalf of As You Sow, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated to
>advocacy and activism in the public interest.

>"This is the first admission by organized dentistry that amalgams pose a
>potential health risk," says Shawn Khorrami, lead attorney. "The only
>problem is that it's about 100 years too late."

>This California consent judgment follows on the heels of recent lawsuits
>filed in Georgia, Texas, Ohio and Los Angeles, California charging that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>risks to certain users. Mercury, a highly toxic substance, is the most
>widely used substance in dental fillings today.

>The use of mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines also has been the source
>of the recent controversy in the Homeland Security legislation.

>Khorrami filed the lawsuit against Roger Fieldman D.D.S., Inc., the
>Citadel Dental Group, Inc. dental offices, dental laboratories and
>private dental schools and training programs with more than nine
>employees. The suit won the enforcement of Proposition 65, Safe Drinking
>Water and Toxics Enforcement Act [Health & Safety Code § 25249.6].

>Proposition 65 requires that a clear and reasonable warning be provided to
>persons prior to their exposure to a chemical known to cause cancer or
>reproductive harm. This statute lists mercury, contained in dental
>amalgam, as a substance that can cause reproductive toxicity. The lawsuit
>was based on the absence of warnings to patients treated with amalgam
>restorative materials in dental offices.

>The judgment on Proposition 65 mandates that all dental offices with more
>than nine employees provide warnings on the dangers of Mercury dental
>fillings to patients. Those in non-compliance could incur a fine of up to
>$2,500 per day.

>Press may contact: Jackie Gladfelter at 650-218-1856 or D. Infusino at
>415-225-7970; call Attorney Shawn Khorrami at 818-947-5111.

>###

Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Feb 2005 11:44 GMT
>>He said that if the tooth continued to ache (throb) after 2 weeks, it
>>might need a root canal.
>
>Find a dentist who is truthful.

...and find a nursery school teacher who sticks to nursery school and
does not pretend to be a dental expert.

Joel
The Real Paul - 08 Feb 2005 14:14 GMT
Your body has bacteria all over it and within it. Don't believe her hype.

> >Subject: need for root canal
> >From: "ken" kphifer1934@yahoo.com
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>
> Jan
Jan - 08 Feb 2005 18:18 GMT
>Subject: Re: need for root canal
>From: "The Real Paul" no@no.no
>Date: 2/8/2005 6:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <TO3Od.4919$oO.3168@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>
>
>Your body has bacteria all over it and within it.

The root canal.

>http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm
>>
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>>
>> Jan
Carlo Hoskins - 08 Feb 2005 20:18 GMT
Jan, you crab-infested old hag...

That'll do.
Carlo
Jan - 08 Feb 2005 20:35 GMT
>Subject: Re: need for root canal
>From: "Carlo Hoskins" choskins@ntelos.net
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>That'll do.
>Carlo

Your insults will not undo the truth.

>http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

>> http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm 

>> http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html 

>> http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html 

>> http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm 

>> http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm 

>> http://www.cfsn.com/maz/>>

>> http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html 

>> http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm 

>> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm 

>> http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html 

>> http://www.toothwisdom.net/>>

>> http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html 

>> http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html 

>> http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm 

>> http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html 

>> Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A
>dead
>> or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way
>of
>> removing the bacteria once they are in there.

>> http://www.toothwisdom.net/>>

>> Toxicity from Root Canals

>> The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source
>of
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>said
>> to be the cadavers of the body.

>> I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to
>their
>> decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body.
>I
>> respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

>> The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
>> sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>patient
>> make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

>> - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -

>> >California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.

>> >(San Francisco, CA) - For the first time anywhere, dentists will be
>> >required to post a warning about the dangers of mercury in their dental
>> >fillings. A California Superior court judge finalized the language for
>> >the warning to be posted in dentists' offices here today.

>> >The warning will read as follows:

>> >Notice to Patients, Proposition 65:

>> >Warning on dental amalgams, used in many dental fillings, causes exposure
>> >to mercury, a chemical known to the state of California to cause birth
>> >defects or other reproductive harm.

>> >Root canal treatments and restorations including fillings, crowns and
>> >bridges, use chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer.

>> >The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has studied the situation and
>> >approved for use all dental restorative materials.

>> >Consult your dentist to determine which materials are appropriate for
>your
>> >treatment.

>> >The exact language of the warning was argued and then finalized before
>> >Superior Court Judge James A. Robertson II between the California Dental
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>non-CDA
>> >dentists to opt in to the agreement and post the warning.

>> >The warning is the result of a lawsuit filed by The Law Offices of Shawn
>> >Khorrami on behalf of As You Sow, a not-for-profit foundation dedicated
>to
>> >advocacy and activism in the public interest.

>> >"This is the first admission by organized dentistry that amalgams pose a
>> >potential health risk," says Shawn Khorrami, lead attorney. "The only
>> >problem is that it's about 100 years too late."

>> >This California consent judgment follows on the heels of recent lawsuits
>> >filed in Georgia, Texas, Ohio and Los Angeles, California charging that
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> >risks to certain users. Mercury, a highly toxic substance, is the most
>> >widely used substance in dental fillings today.

>> >The use of mercury-based thimerosal in vaccines also has been the source
>> >of the recent controversy in the Homeland Security legislation.

>> >Khorrami filed the lawsuit against Roger Fieldman D.D.S., Inc., the
>> >Citadel Dental Group, Inc. dental offices, dental laboratories and
>> >private dental schools and training programs with more than nine
>> >employees. The suit won the enforcement of Proposition 65, Safe Drinking
>> >Water and Toxics Enforcement Act [Health & Safety Code § 25249.6].

>> >Proposition 65 requires that a clear and reasonable warning be provided
>to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> >was based on the absence of warnings to patients treated with amalgam
>> >restorative materials in dental offices.

>> >The judgment on Proposition 65 mandates that all dental offices with more
>> >than nine employees provide warnings on the dangers of Mercury dental
>> >fillings to patients. Those in non-compliance could incur a fine of up to
>> >$2,500 per day.

>> >Press may contact: Jackie Gladfelter at 650-218-1856 or D. Infusino at
>> >415-225-7970; call Attorney Shawn Khorrami at 818-947-5111.

>> >###

>> Jan
Roy Brown - 08 Feb 2005 20:55 GMT
Carlo,
Nice to have you back posting in your usual fine form. How you been?

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Roy
rem NADA to reply

| Jan, you crab-infested old hag...
|
| That'll do.
| Carlo
Carlo Hoskins - 08 Feb 2005 21:46 GMT
Been okay, Roy.  Hope we get to meet up again one day...though you might not
recognize me -- lost 25lbs already.  Only 102 left to go...

Say hello to your wife,
Carlo

> Carlo,
> Nice to have you back posting in your usual fine form. How you been?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> | That'll do.
> | Carlo
Roy Brown - 08 Feb 2005 22:32 GMT
Congratulations! I will give her your regards. You might not recognize her since
she lost about 70 lbs herself. As for me, I have not changed too much. A little
thinner and greyer up top is all.

Is that your real email below? I tried emailing you last summer. A patient of
mine was down your way, for a month or so last summer, right after an insertion,
I was hoping you could do an adjustment if needed.
Signature

Roy
rem NADA to reply

| Been okay, Roy.  Hope we get to meet up again one day...though you might not
| recognize me -- lost 25lbs already.  Only 102 left to go...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
| > | That'll do.
| > | Carlo
Carlo Hoskins - 09 Feb 2005 21:23 GMT
That's it Roy -- changed a couple of months ago.

Later on,
Carlo

> Congratulations! I will give her your regards. You might not recognize her since
> she lost about 70 lbs herself. As for me, I have not changed too much. A little
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> | > | That'll do.
> | > | Carlo
Dr Steve - 09 Feb 2005 00:03 GMT
Carlo,

Call me if you get the chance.  I think I no longer have the right telephone
number for you.  Call me before Saturday morning as I will be out of the
country for a week.

Steverino

Signature

~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

> Been okay, Roy.  Hope we get to meet up again one day...though you might
> not
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> | That'll do.
>> | Carlo
Carlo Hoskins - 09 Feb 2005 21:27 GMT
Send me an e-mail with the updated info -- I will call.  New computer at
home and in my office.  I guess I was too damn lazy to get everything out of
my address book before changing.

Carlo

> Carlo,
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> >> | That'll do.
> >> | Carlo
Joel M. Eichen - 09 Feb 2005 13:07 GMT
>Last wednesday, the dentist filled a "hole" in my tooth - upper
>molar...He said that the hole may not have been caused by decay, but by
>root resorption...

By the x-ray evidence .......

>In any case he said the tooth & gum (the hole was
>under the gum) would be sensitive for up to 2 weeks, particularly to
>cold.
>
>He said that if the tooth continued to ache (throb) after 2 weeks, it
>might need a root canal.

Maybe.

>Is it normal for the tooth area to ache up to 2 weeks after the
>filling? It aches all the time (now day 6) and eating and drinking
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Ken

Hey Ken!

Is this filling directly on the root?

Joel
ken - 10 Feb 2005 13:45 GMT
apparently it is quite close to the root
 
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