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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / February 2005YTD
As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. I get zero. carabelli They figure they *have* to use them or "lose them",,,, right?  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. > > I get zero. > > carabelli > They figure they *have* to use them or "lose them",,,, right? > > -- > ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. > Troy, Michigan, USA They don't lose them until 12/31/05, and this year's rate of use is typical. Nobody has ever left some unused. Usually there is whining by the end of April because they're all gone already. carabelli Carabelli, Sounds like your staff have a problem. I hate to be such a dud as to say it might be mercury? in respect to Jan, or crohns symptoms, without respect to me. Crohns has very insidious symptoms, a back ache, and many others. Oh well, not such good insight? I know you think this has no place in dentistry newsgroup, but it has a place in everyday life anywhere. Gail > Carabelli, > > Sounds like your staff have a problem. Yeah, it's called an employer that gives employees 6 paid personal/sick days a year and they go through it like a kid in a candy store and are upset when they're all gone. > I hate to be such a dud as to say it might be mercury? in respect to Jan, Jan who? If you want to be a dud that's fine with us. Mercury? I'm an orthodontist - they didn't get any at our office > or > crohns symptoms, without respect to me. Crohns has very insidious symptoms, a > back ache, and many others. Oh well, not such good insight? considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per 100,000 in the US I'm doubtful. > I know you think > this has no place in dentistry newsgroup, but it has a place in everyday life > anywhere. > > Gail "Considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per l00,000in the US I'M doubtful." Those represent the numbers known or diagnosed. Dr. Jonathon Rosenberg MD and Jay Goldstein MD professor of medicine, Univ of Illinois at Chicago, College of Medicine says IBS costs the US healthcare system $8 billion annually to put it briefly. That would hardly be the cost for 1.2 to 15 cases per 100,000. That is only what is known. To put if frankly, I KNOW it is more like 8 percent of the population and growing. A simple extension of a cold or flu, backache, extreme tiredness, depression, are the least serious symptoms. Surgery to remove the colon, (as Marvin Bush has had) removing involved gut, etc etc are the more advanced symptoms. The Crohns-colitis foundation has adopted a "Got Guts" slogan for a bracelet they are selling. They should use a "still got your guts" slogan to be more accurate. Enough for today. More than anyone wants to know. Not to scare anyone. Some of the dentists are the recipient of dental work due to crohns. And now pres Bush has appointed a committee to look into this growing problem. We could finance SS with what is being spent on this research with the results to be more disastrous to the cause of crohns than can be imagined. Not meaning this to be directed to you, it is a problem for everyone, I could bet anything on it. Research is world wide. Gail >Subject: Re: YTD >From: advocate147@aol.com (Advocate147) [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >Research is world wide. >Gail Such a pity th non compassion and LIES that flow here. DESPICABLE. Jan Consider changing the rules. Give them 1/2 day a month worked (prorated for P/T) paid sick leave that they can accumulate. Then offer them a choice - 1: @ Y/E offer to pay 1/2 unused in cash bonus and carry forward remaining for next year letting them accumulate a few weeks maximum. (remind them of Xmas bills) (The abusers would only have used up 4.2% as of Jan 31 and it would have cost them 1/2 a day in lost wages to do so) or 2: carry it all forward. or change the sick day name to PPH or GTH days PPH = Paid Personal Holiday GTH = Go To Heaven (not) The way your employees see it is you are paying them anyways, changing the name might save YOU some SLHM (Stomach Lining and Heart Muscle) if you start looking at your generosity differently. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | Yeah, it's called an employer that gives employees 6 paid personal/sick days | a year and they go through it like a kid in a candy store and are upset | when they're all gone. >Then offer them a choice - >Roy Good ideas for a bigger clinic. Complicated. I offer this choice: Work and get paid; --or-- No work, no pay. (not asking for anything that I haven't done myself) Pick yer poison. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >Subject: Re: YTD >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >-- >W_B This comes from the guy who liar Dr Steve thinks is a find upstanding gentleman. He needs a reality check. Jan > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:06:12 -0500, "Roy Brown" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > --or-- > No work, no pay. Not an uncommon deal at a small employer, pretty much the same as my wife's dental lab. Vaughn >> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:06:12 -0500, "Roy Brown" >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Vaughn The girls get plenty of time off, 4 1/2 day work week and off when I am. It's not a bad deal. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >Subject: Re: YTD >From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >a year and they go through it like a kid in a candy store and are upset >when they're all gone. We live in a very spoiled society, the more you give, it soon becomes expected. >If you want to be a dud that's fine with us. As in mentioning the name *Jan* > Mercury? I'm an >orthodontist - they didn't get any at our office What do they get?? Metal??? > Crohns has very insidious >symptoms, a >> back ache, and many others. Oh well, not such good insight? > >considering the estimate of 1.2 to 15 cases per 100,000 in the US I'm >doubtful. OMG!!!!!! Is there ANY limit to the LIES told here????? http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=19501 Crohn's disease is a serious chronic and inflammatory disease of the gastrointestinal tract that affects approximately 500,000 Americans and is typically diagnosed before age 30. Common symptoms of the disease include diarrhea, cramping, abdominal pain, weight loss, fever and in some cases rectal bleeding. There is no cure for Crohn's disease. Oh We Do Know Gail, We Know. MC >As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. > >I get zero. > >carabelli My staff gets 0 sick days. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > W_B That's another option - I should probably limit them quarterly. carabelli >> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:55:42 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >carabelli It would be a start. 6 / 4 = ? How would you dole them out ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's vacation. If they took time off during that period, their vacation pay is smaller. Personal/sick days accumulate one for every 4 months of full time work. Therefore, they only get one paid day off a quarter unless they save them up. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:55:42 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > carabelli >I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time >employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's >vacation. If they took time off during that period, their vacation pay is >smaller. Personal/sick days accumulate one for every 4 months of full time >work. Therefore, they only get one paid day off a quarter unless they save >them up. Excellent. That's a keeper boyz... -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time >>employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's >>vacation. If they took time off during that period, their vacation pay is >>smaller. That is an excellent example of a policy written to elicit a desired behavior. Vaughn >>>I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time >>>employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Vaughn I have also connected vacation pay to the December Holidays. Every year I had 2-4 employees asking for the time between Dec. 25th and Jan. 1st as time off. We now allow them to take that week off, but they lose their vacation pay for the year. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >>>>I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time >>>>employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. I take that week off so it doesn't really matter to me. One does have to answer the phone and that can be a telephone transfer so it can be done from home. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>>>>I give full time help one week vacation after twelve months full time >>>>>employment. They get the average of the preceding 6 weeks for their week's [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >One does have to answer the phone and that can >be a telephone transfer so it can be done from home. We always work that week, as a lot of patients find it convenient to come in those days. That week is usually booked quite full and for a long time ahead. Then, the week before, I would get all these requests for time off. Since I would have to hire temporary help and get a "sitter" for our kid, I did not appreciate the last minute notice. So, I figured that. if they want the time off that badly, they can share the higher cost to me of taking that week off .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >>I take that week off so it doesn't really matter to me. >>One does have to answer the phone and that can [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Slave driver. <hehe> My past experience was that the week would get booked solid and most would no show. Haven't worked that week in well over a decade. Good time to spend with the family. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>>I take that week off so it doesn't really matter to me. >>>One does have to answer the phone and that can [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Good time to spend with the family. We have not had the no-show problem for that week. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >Subject: Re: YTD >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >W_B Is anyone surprised?? Nice guy, selfish lying filthy mouth non compassion JERK. Jan >>Subject: Re: YTD >>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >>W_B [snip] I have been to W_B's dental office. in person. Don't believe the Troll. He has a happy devoted staff. And, he treats them very well. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA I am writing on a Tablet-PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my handwriting. >>>My staff gets 0 sick days. >>>-- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Troll. He has a happy devoted staff. And, he treats them very well. >.. They get plenty of time off and get paid well. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com They must work sick all the time..AIF..MC > They must work sick all the time..AIF..MC Please work on your posting style. All of your posts are out of context because we have no idea what you are referring to. Vaughn > As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. Interesting subject! On possibility would be to adjust your policy to reward the desired behavior from your staff. Perhaps one problem is that you made them "personal/sick" days rather than just "sick" days, which makes it OK to use them. Where I work, you are not entitled to a sick day unless you are sick. They have a couple of carrots to entice employees to only use sick days for their proper purpose. The result is a win-win situation. (there is also a "stick" or two for employees who abuse sick time) After 30++ years with that employer, my "carrots" now number in the 5 figures. The dental lab where my wife works takes a far different approach that seems quite rational for a small employer. They have no sick days at all. Occasionally, when an employee has lost serious time due to a known-real illness, the lab owners have been known to pay sick time out of the goodness of their heart, but this is never done routinely. Vacation pay is also a bit strange. Around April, they hand each employee an envelope containing their vacation pay and that is the end of it. Vaughn > I get zero. > > carabelli >> As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. > > Interesting subject! On possibility would be to adjust your policy to >reward the desired behavior from your staff. Yup, 150 sick days ....... > Perhaps one problem is that you made them "personal/sick" days rather than >just "sick" days, which makes it OK to use them. Where I work, you are not [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> carabelli > >> As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. > > > > Interesting subject! On possibility would be to adjust your policy to > >reward the desired behavior from your staff. > > Yup, 150 sick days ....... Hahahaha ...that's how my dad's work does it. Instead of losing sick days you don't use, they just keep adding up year after year. As it stands right now, my dad could take almost a full year off. =p > Hahahaha ...that's how my dad's work does it. Instead of losing sick > days you don't use, they just keep adding up year after year. As it > stands right now, my dad could take almost a full year off. Me too, but I understand why a small employer can't do that. When you have lots of employees, you can play the odds. I always have at least 120 sick days available. If I had to use them to weather a major illness, I would still be earning sick days, vacation days, and holidays while I was out sick; so those 120 days would stretch out for most of a year. Those days are worth real money to me because they are just as good as disability insurance, and I get paid for a % of them when I retire. Also, I game the system a bit to keep my accruals as high as possible. High accruals give me a bit of immunity from mid-budget year layoffs. Vaughn If you think about it those 120 days are probably the same amount of time it takes for your LTD or long term disability policy to kick in. A conscientious employee can safely know they can have a serious illness or become disabled and not lose everything they have worked for. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | > Hahahaha ...that's how my dad's work does it. Instead of losing sick | > days you don't use, they just keep adding up year after year. As it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | Vaughn > If you think about it those 120 days are probably the same amount of time it > takes for your LTD or long term disability policy to kick in. Is that a Canadian thing? In the US of A a very few people have commercial LTD insurance, which typically takes 30 days before it starts paying. Some pension plans have LTD, but there are only a few of those defined benefit plans left around. Otherwise, we only have Social Security disability, which can take 6 or more months, and qualification is so difficult that it often takes an attorney. Vaughn | > If you think about it those 120 days are probably the same amount of time it | > takes for your LTD or long term disability policy to kick in. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Vaughn It could be. I've always seen it with health benefit packages from employers. My association offers an option to purchase this in their insurance package. They even have an option for specific critical illnesses that kick in after 30 days.(Read as expensive). My wife's LTD package is based on the unionized employees negotiated health insurance package, which lets them accumulate up to 120 days sick leave paid for by the employer and then the LTD kicks in. If the employee has not accumulated the sick days and something happens where they are unable to work for medical reasons - they are SOL until the LTD kicks in. I can imagine qualifying for the LTD will be as difficult as qualifying for your Social Security disability since we all know how the insurance industry likes to pay out on it's policies. The LTD packages are over and above our equivalent of Social Security with no claw backs. SignatureRoy > | Is that a Canadian thing? > | [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It could be. I've always seen it with health benefit packages from employers. My employer offers LTD, and a bunch of specific-illness insurance ripoffs, but I doubt if many buy it. I don't. I do pay extra (a lot extra) to get PPO rather than HMO health insurance. Vaughn | > | Is that a Canadian thing? | > | [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | | Vaughn Since we have a quasi socialized health insurance up here, I don't understand the differences between PPO and HMO. Care to give a basic explanation? And how does a 401 K work? SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply > Since we have a quasi socialized health insurance up here, I don't understand > the differences between PPO and HMO. Care to give a basic explanation? And how > does a 401 K work? An HMO (Health Maintenance Organization) is a deal where your provider supplies you with a limited pool of physicians to choose from, strictly limits you to certain hospitals, limits your access to specialists, and makes many decisions regarding your health care. You typically have no benefits outside of the network. A PPO (Preferred Provider Organization) generally gives you a very good deal if you are willing to use one of the "pool" physicians and /or certain designated hospitals, but also provides benefits if you go outside the network. A 401K is an incentive to save for your retirement. It allows you to put money in an investment account and allows it to grow (or shrink as the case may be) tax-advantaged if you do not touch it until you reach a certain age. It has become perhaps the most common type of private retirement plan these days. An advantage is that you can go from employer to employer and never lose benefits. A disadvantage is that nothing is guaranteed. You can have a bad day on the stock exchange and end up working many extra years before you can afford to retire. Once retired, you can also run out of money before you run out of heartbeats. Our President would like to convert at least part of Social Security to this type of deal. Vaughn >>> As of 1/31/05 my staff has used 26% of their personal/sick days. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yup, 150 sick days ....... What was I thinking??? I need a 12 step program Joel. Just when I'm certain I have my mind right I backslide like this. Nobody should come to work if they don't feel like it. You can't have a happy village otherwise. Sorry carabelli >Subject: Re: YTD >From: "carabelli" huerter@worldnet.att.net [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >carabelli Thank you. Joel is an IDIOT and a VERY SICK JERK. with not one iota of feeling or decency Jan >Subject: YTD >From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >carabelli Just a part of being a business owner. Look at you income compared to theirs. Jan |
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