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Why most dentists on SMD don't respond to Jan Drew

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carabelli - 23 Jan 2005 03:58 GMT
Other than the obvious.................

Jan Drew says she is a retired Day Care owner and claims to have finished
High School. She is not a dentist and has no background in science. She
lacks appreciation of what constitutes proper research and the Scientific
Method, because they are evidentially beyond her capacity to understand.
Instead
she has embraced Alternative treatments, Hulda Clark's writings and anything
else she can find on the Misinformation Highway that she thinks will
support abandonment of mainstream dentistry.

Several dentists and others with an education in the sciences have
attempted to discuss some of the URLs, abstracts and articles that she
posts. Some
have merit, others (especially those selling *snake oil*) have none. She
is unable to distinguish between those two. When others have tried to
debate
and/or discuss she has consistently changed the focus. If a source she has
posted is politely challenged, even if only to discuss its' merits and/or
shortcomings, the word lie or some derivation of it will follow shortly.
Regrettably she has gone further with some childish insults and even more
regrettably others have stooped
down to her level. Unfortunately, this has been the only effective way to
interact
with her.

Then, if she feels the need, she plays her trump card, the Bible.

Most of the professionals posting here aren't playing her card game
anymore. It is a waste of our time to challenge each and every post, however
we do
not support her views. Her posts leave the dentally uninformed easy prey
for the charlatans out there who are ready to take your money, give you
false hope, or worse.

If you choose to read her posts, do so with a jaundiced eye.

NB this is also from a poster that thinks her own ISP is attacking her
computer.

carabelli
clintonz@prodigy.net - 23 Jan 2005 11:12 GMT
> Other than the obvious.................

choose to read her posts, do so with a jaundiced eye.

> NB this is also from a poster that thinks her own ISP is attacking her
> computer.
>
>  carabelli

And by the way, carabelli wins most argumentst with a simple
tactic. He never takes a position, citing the fact that
more research needs to be done on the amalgam issue. Cleverly
thinking himself above the fray, superior in some way and
the rest of us to stupid to notice. I wonder if he statements
merit EVEN the respect of Dentists on the list who baltantly
repeat false information.

Take note Carabelli, you game is up. A quaterback who throws
no interceptions or completes any passes deserves far LESS
respect than the dentists who set themselves up day after
day to be sacked by Jans amalgam science.
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Jan 2005 12:15 GMT
Yeah Carabelli, YOU game is up!

Clinton said so!

Joel

>Take note Carabelli, you game is up. A quaterback who throws
>no interceptions or completes any passes deserves far LESS
>respect than the dentists who set themselves up day after
>day to be sacked by Jans amalgam science.
Tony Bad - 24 Jan 2005 01:04 GMT
> Take note Carabelli, you game is up. A quaterback who throws
> no interceptions or completes any passes deserves far LESS
> respect than the dentists who set themselves up day after
> day to be sacked by Jans amalgam science.

"Jans amalgam science."...now that is funny!

T
Jan - 24 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why most dentists on SMD don't respond to Jan Drew
>From: "Tony Bad" spamspamspam@bakedbeans.spam
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>
>T

No, it isn't funny.

You should get real and break out of the *I-don't-want-to-be-informed-attitude*

The studies found that the amount of mercury excreted in the urine
was proprotional to the number and size of fillings in the victim's mouth.
Moreover many oral habits such as chewing gum, clenching or grinding greatly
increased the amount of mercury released and absorbed.

==

6. Amalgam Fillings Largest Source of Mercury by Far

Based on a number of studies in Sweden, the World Health Organization review of
inorganic mercury in 1991 determined that mercury absorption is estimated to be
approximately four times higher from amalgam fillings than from fish
consumption. Recent studies have confirmed this estimate and shown that the
amount absorbed can vary considerably from person to person.

7. Gold Crowns, Gum, Bruxism, Computer Monitors Increase Release of Mercury
Significantly

Gum chewing, bruxism (grinding of teeth), computer terminal exposure, presence
of gold fillings or gold crowns (even if covering mercury fillings), teeth
brushing, braces and even chewing food cause the release of significantly
increased amounts of mercury from the fillings in one's teeth.

8. Cumulative Poison Builds Up in Organs

Mercury released from fillings builds up in the brain, kidneys, liver,
pituitary, adrenals and other parts of the body.

========

According to the World Health Organization the general sources of mercury in
the body are: Breathed Air (.040 micrograms), Fish (2.34 micrograms), Non-fish
food (.25 micrograms), Drinking-water .0035 micrograms), mercury vapor from
dental amalgams (3 to 17 micrograms).

*****The mercury vapor from dental amalgam
alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.*******

====

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_
uids=8706402&dopt=Abstract
 
1: Contact Dermatitis. 1995 Dec;33(6):423-7. Related Articles, Links  

Erratum in:
Contact Dermatitis 1996 Jul;35(1):70.
 
Comment in:
Contact Dermatitis. 1996 Jul;35(1):69.
 
Oral lichenoid lesions caused by allergy to mercury in amalgam fillings.
 
Pang BK, Freeman S.
 
Contact &Occupational Dermatitis Clinic, Skin &Cancer Foundation, NSW,
Australia.
 
Oral lichenoid lesions (OLL) or lichen-planus-like lesions are often
idiopathic. Our aim was to determine whether OLL can be caused by allergy to
mercury in amalgam fillings, and whether resolution of OLL occurs after
replacement of amalgam with other dental fillings. Patients with only OLL
(except for 1 case with cutaneous lichen planus) referred for patch testing
during 1985-1994 to the Contact and Occupational Dermatitis Clinic of the Skin
&Cancer Foundation, Darlinghurst, were reviewed. Patch tests were performed
with 1% mercury, 1% ammoniated mercury, 0.1% thimerosal, 0.1% mercuric
chloride, 0.05% phenylmercuric nitrate and an amalgam disc, using Finn Chambers
occluded for 2 days, 19 patients (17 women and 2 men; age range: 28-72 years)
had OLL in close contact with amalgam fillings and showed positive patch test
reactions to mercury compounds, 16 out of 19 patients had their amalgam
fillings replaced. In 13 patients, the OLL healed. 1 patient had marked
improvement. 1 patient had no improvement and developed multiple oral squamous
cell carcinoma. In conclusion, OLL can be caused by allergy to mercury in
amalgam fillings. Replacement of amalgam with other dental fillings usually
results in resolution of OLL and is recommended for cases with positive patch
test reactions to mercury compounds.
 
PMID: 8706402 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_
uids=9379425&dopt=Abstract

Oral Pathol Med. 1997 Sep;26(8):362-6. Related Articles, Links  

In vitro lymphocyte proliferation test in the diagnosis of oral mucosal
hypersensitivity reactions to dental amalgam.

Laine J, Happonen RP, Vainio O, Kalimo K.

Department of Oral Diseases, University Central Hospital of Turku, Finland.

Patch testing was carried out in 23 patients with oral lichenoid lesions (OLL)
topographically related to dental amalgam fillings. Twelve patients displayed
positive reactions to several mercury compounds, whereas 11 patients were
negative. An in vitro lymphocyte proliferation (LyPro) test was carried out
using different mercury compounds and other metal salts. Mercuric chloride and
phenyl mercuric acetate caused positive proliferation in 3/12 patch
test-positive and in 5/11 negative patients. One out of seven healthy control
subjects had a positive LyPro result. The mean stimulation index (SI) values
between the patient groups or compared with the control subjects did not differ
significantly. Zinc, tin, copper or silver salts caused in vitro lymphocyte
stimulation in most of the patients and in healthy control people. Total (14)
or partial (4) replacement of amalgam fillings was carried out in 18 patients.
Complete healing of lichenoid lesions was seen in 4/6 LyPro test-positive and
in 5/10 patch test-positive patients at follow-up examinations 12 months after
the replacement of amalgam fillings. The in vitro proliferation assay seems not
to be a specific test for identifying the patients who would benefit from
amalgam replacement.

PMID: 9379425 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_
uids=2270464&dopt=Abstract

Sci Total Environ 1990 Dec 1;99(1-2):1-22 Related Articles,Links

Does mercury from amalgam restorations constitute a health hazard?

Weiner JA, Nylander M, Berglund F.

National Board of Occupational Safety and Health, Solna, Sweden.

Amalgam is the most extensively used implant material in dentistry. There have
been no clinical trials of this substance and there are no epidemiological
studies that allow any conclusions on the safety of amalgam fillings. Amalgam
restorations continuously emit mercury vapour, which is absorbed in
considerable quantities via the lungs. A comparison with dose-effect
relationships, obtained in occupational studies, for certain effects on the
kidneys and central nervous system (CNS), suggests that individuals with
unusually high emission of mercury from amalgam fillings are at risk. It is
unclear whether or not clinically significant effects could be expected. The
limited sensitivity of available occupational studies, together with
insufficient knowledge of possible host factors affecting resistance to
mercury, implies that other more severe effects in susceptible individuals
cannot be excluded. Information on long-term effects on organs other than brain
or kidney is sparse. Animal studies suggest the possibility of immune system
reactions to mercury, i.e. development of autoimmunity, that are not primarily
dose-dependent, but rather depend on genetic susceptibility. From a
toxicological point of view, amalgam is an unsuitable material for dental
restorations.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Academic
PMID: 2270464 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Environmental medicine, part three: long-term effects of chronic low-dose
mercury exposure.

Crinnion WJ.

Healing Naturally, 11811 NE 128th St., Suite 202, Kirkland, WA 98034, USA.

Mercury is ubiquitous in the environment, and in our mouths in the form of
"silver" amalgams. Once introduced to the body through food or vapor, mercury
is rapidly absorbed and accumulates in several tissues, leading to increased
oxidative damage, mitochondrial dysfunction, and cell death. Mercury primarily
affects neurological tissue, resulting in numerous neurological symptoms, and
also affects the kidneys and the immune system. It causes increased production
of free radicals and decreases the availability of antioxidants. It also has
devastating effects on the glutathione content of the body, giving rise to the
possibility of increased retention of other environmental toxins. Fortunately,
effective tests are available to help distinguish those individuals who are
excessively burdened with mercury, and to monitor them during treatment.
Therapies for assisting the reduction of a mercury load include the use of
2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA) and 2,3-dimercato-1-propanesulfonic acid
(DMPS). Additional supplementation to assist in the removal of mercury and to
reduce its adverse effects is discussed.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial
PMID: 10869102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]    

Summary Brief Abstract Citation MEDLINE ASN.1 XML/SGML LinkOut Related Articles
Protein Links Nucleotide Links Popset Links Structure Links GenomeLinks OMIM
Links Structure Domains Links      

 1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related Articles, Books  [Patterns of
mercury release from amalgam fillings into the oral cavity].[Article in
Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI.

Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15 fillings of silver amalgam
were examined. The level of mercury vapors in the oral cavity was assessedusing
an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the authors. Emission of mercury
vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of fillings. The
concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the number
ofsilver amalgam fillings and less so on these fillings' length of service.Adv
Dent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3

Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury contribution to body
burden from dental amalgam.Reinhardt JW.Department of Operative Dentistry,
University of Iowa College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242.

The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that relate
mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams, giving
special attention to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have been few
published studies examining the relationship between dental amalgams and tissue
mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue analysis techniques have
made it possible to measure elements in the concentration range of parts per
billion. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in
humantissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific interest.

Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little significance as
contributors to the overall body burden of mercury, because the elemental form
of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of the
restoration.Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from
dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety.

Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of the
inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the bloodstream.
Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and remain in
certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of excretion is
prolonged. Two of the primary arget organs of concern are the central nervous
system and kidneys.

Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449 [PubMed - indexed for
MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut

Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236.

Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental fillings
into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW, Vimy MJ, Lorscheider
FL.Department of Radiology, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine,
Alberta,Canada.

The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver" amalgam tooth fillings
into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report about sheep revealed
uptake routes and distribution of amalgam Hg among body tissues. The present
investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a monkey
whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble
those of humans.

When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a tracer of
radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope appears in
high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body images
of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg werel ocated in the
kidney, gastrointestinal tract, and jaw.

****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable tooth
restorative material is not supported by these findings.****PMID:

2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related Articles, Books,LinkOut

Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW, Hanson AL.There is
adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after placement,
results in the release of Hg into the patient's body. Whether the Hg released
from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl ater
corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg release continues
for years.

****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a
restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.****

With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg levels, especially in
tissue and blood, additional studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg levels
with dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate existing restorations as
well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg levels.

It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material as being
safe.

Publication Types: Historical Article PMID: 6361623

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

A case report cited an incident wherein four adults were acutely exposed to
mercury vapor resulting from the smelting of dental amalgams (Taueg et al.
1991). Initial signs of toxicity included nausea, diarrhea, dyspnea, and chest
pains. Despite chelation therapy, all four patients died 11 to 24 days after
initial exposure. Mercury concentrations in the house were as high as 912
µg/m3 at or within 11 to 188 days after the exposure, and postmortem blood
mercury levels ranged from 58 to 369 µg/L. Historically, the triad of
increased excitability, tremors, and gingivitis has been recognized as
characteristic for mercury poisoning (Goyer 1991).

  Low-level chronic exposures to mercury may affect the peripheral nervous
system resulting in polyneuropathies (reduced sensory and motor nerve function)
and neuropsychological effects (visual alterations, sensory loss, stress)
(ATSDR 1989); these effects correlate to tissue levels of 20 to 40 µg/g.
Neuropsychological effects were also reported by Smith et al. (1970) for
occupational exposure to mercury levels of > 0.1 mg/m3. Mercury concentrations
below this value did not appear to cause observable effects. Kishi et al.
(1993) reported that neurobehavioral and motor function effects persisted in
ex-mercury miners more than 10 years after cessation of exposure.    
 
Mercury vapor from dental amalgams has been identified as a major source of
exposure to inorganic mercury in the general population (WHO 1991). An average
mercury dose from dental amalgams has been estimated to be only 4 to 5 µg
(Halbach 1995).    
 

1. Central nervous system and kidneys: Both the central nervous system and
kidneys are affected by inorganic mercury. The toxic effects may occur with
acute, subchronic, or chronic exposure depending on the exposure level and the
resulting body burden of mercury. Animal data suggest that the renal effects
may be immunologically mediated. The central nervous system, especially during
prenatal and postnatal development, is the primary target organ for methyl
mercury.    
 
3.4.2.1. Primary Target Organ(s)1. Central nervous system and peripheral
nervous system: The critical target organs for inhalation exposure to elemental
mercury vapor are the central nervous system and the peripheral nervous system.
 
 

Elemental mercury is found in liquid form, which easily vaporizes at room
temperature and is well absorbed through inhalation. Its lipid (fat)-soluble
property allows for easy passage through the alveoli into the bloodstream and
red blood cells. Once inhaled, elemental mercury is mostly converted to an
inorganic divalent or mercuric form by catalase in the red blood cells. This
inorganic form has similar properties to organic mercury. Small amounts of
non-oxidized elemental mercury continue to persist and account for CNS
toxicity. Elemental mercury, as a vapor, which escapes from fillings,
penetrates the blood-brain-barrier and enters the CNS, where it's ionized and
trapped, attributing to its significant toxic effects. It is not well absorbed
by the GI tract and, when ingested, is only mildly toxic. Inorganic mercury is
highly toxic and corrosive and is the most destructive form, but its
destruction is limited to where it's located. It doesn't have the ability to
move through tissues like other forms. It gains access orally or dermally and
is absorbed at a rate of 10% of that ingested. It has a nonuniform mode of
distribution, secondary to poor fat solubility, and accumulates mostly in the
kidney, causing renal damage

Millions of U.S. citizens are being exposed to mercury levels that exceed
established health standards. Occupational exposure to mercury is a hazard for
dental personnel. The only defense for its use comes from the total support of
organized dentistry. Science, in over 12,000 scientific studies, has not been
able to determine one constructive purpose served by the presence of this toxic
metal in the human body. No amount of exposure to mercury vapor can be
considered harmless. Once it has leached from the dental fillings and
infiltrated the body, mercury becomes a neurotoxin. Mercury is more neurotoxic
than arsenic and far more neurotoxic than lead. Mercury has been used quite
extensively by the medical profession in anti-fungal preparations, diuretics,
antiseptics, brain scans (radioactive mercury), etc. Merthiolate and
Mercurochrome, which were very common "first-aid" items in most households and
are still used extensively in hospitals, contain mercury.
Nerve endings in the peripheral nervous system constantly scan their
environment, engulfing foreign particles and bringing them across the cell
membrane for inspection. These substances may then travel all the way up from
the foot to the spinal cord to be presented to the nerve cells there. As it
travels up the axon, mercury destroys a substance called tubulin, used as
insulation for neurofibrils in the microtubules, effectively destroying the
nerves. Within 24 hours of injecting a minute dose of mercury into a muscle
anywhere in the body of test animals, it is detectable in the spinal cord and
brain. The mercury is also found in the kidneys, lungs, bloodstream, connective
tissue, adrenals and other endocrine glands. In the brain, it tends to
congregate in the hypothalamus, which regulates the autonomic nervous system,
and in the limbic system, believed to be the seat of emotions.
The most devastating effect of mercury in the nervous system is that it
interferes with energy production inside each cell. Nerve cells are impaired in
their ability to detoxify and nurture themselves. The cell becomes toxic and
dies, or lives in a state of chronic malnutrition. It is common for heavy
metals to migrate to and acumulate in nerve ganglia (nerve relay stations). As
a heavy metal (which means heavier than water), mercury tends to accumulate in
the lowest parts of the body, such as the floor of the mouth, the pelvic floor,
and the feet. Pelvic symptoms, in both men and women, are very commonly caused
by metal toxicity of the Frankenhauser's ganglion. This can account for
premature ejaculaton and an enlarged prostate in men, and endometriosis, pelvic
pain, and hormonal dysfunction in women. Neural therapy cleans up this area
through the painless injection of the Frankenhauser's ganglion (just above the
pubic bone) with a local anesthetic. This opens up most of the ionic channels
in the cell wall; the cell is then able to excrete much of its toxic
components. This spurs the body to dump large amounts of mercury into the
urine.

A dentist can't legally throw amalgam material or extracted amalgam filled
teeth in the trash, bury them in the ground, or put them in a landfill, but the
ADA and the EPA say it's okay to put it in people's mouths. In 1976, the U.S.
Congress requested that the FDA "classify" dental amalgam fillings. The Federal
Register recorded another such request in 1980. Multiple requests have been
made over the years, yet there is still no classification of dental amalgam.
The FDA has steadily refused to classify amalgam. The government agencies have
been defending the use of mercury. Consider for a moment the national
consequences if mercury in fillings were reported to be dangerous. The
offending parties (dentists, the ADA, dental manufacturers and distributors),
if found guilty, would be liable.

Mercury Vapor

Silver mercury fillings are not stable. These fillings emit mercury vapor at a
rate of 2.8 micrograms per cubic meter of air breathed in the resting state,
and their emission rate accelerates dramatically (as high as 49 mgs) after
minimal mechanical, chemical, and temperature stimulations. It is also very
volatile. This means that "metallic" mercury gives off mercury vapor when
agitated, compressed or exposed to increases in temperature. Mercury
vapor--which is colorless, tasteless and odorless--if inhaled into the lungs,
passes into your bloodstream for distribution to all body tissues. It is at
this point that biotransformation begins. Some of the mercury vapor remains
unchanged, and some of it is oxidized. (This means to remove a pair of hydrogen
atoms and to combine with oxygen. Chemically it means the increase of a
positive electrical charge and the decrease of the negative charge, which in
effect ionizes the vapor). The unchanged portion exists dissolved in the blood
lipids (fats). The toxic effects are produced by that portion that is oxidized
into mercuric ions which occurs partly in the blood, partly in the tissues but
mainly in the red blood cells.
Several researchers, beginning with Jernelov in 1969, have demonstrated the
microbial conversion or methylation of mercury by various microorganisms. This
was demonstrated in the laboratory as well as inside the bodies of animals. In
1975, Edwards and McBride demonstrated the methylation of mercuric chloride in
human feces. It was also in 1975 that Rowland, Grasso and Davies determined
that most strains of staphylococci, streptococci, yeasts and escherichia coli
found in the human intestine (these are bacteria and yeasts of different forms
and shapes that are normally present in the human gut) were capable of
methylating mercury. It was in 1983 that Heintze and his associates made the
startling discovery that saliva can also methylate mercury being released from
the amalgam fillings.
Confirmation of the escape of mercury vapor and ions from amalgam dental
fillings is provided by The World Health Organization (WHO) Environmental
Health Criteria 118 document (EHC 118) on inorganic mercury. It clearly states
that the largest estimated average daily intake and retention of mercury and
mercury compounds in the general population, is from dental amalgams, not from
food or air. Mercury vapor inhaled into the lungs is absorbed almost 100
percent and immediately passes into the bloodstream. It takes approximately
four minutes before mercury is converted or oxidized into an ionic state from
its elemental vapor state. While in its elemental form, mercury vapor is lipid
(fat) soluble and readily passes through the blood-brain barrier or the
placental membrane.
It can also accumulate in other organs and tissues of the body. The estimated
average daily intake of mercury from dental amalgams is 3.8 - 21 micrograms per
day. Two-thirds of the body burden of mercury is derived from the mercury vapor
released from amalgams. The static, unstimulated release of mercury vapor from
amalgam fillings, which goes on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, is a major
contributor to total mercury body burden. Large amounts of mercury vapor are
released during chewing. After only ten minutes of gum chewing, there is an
average increase in mercury release of 15.6 times more than during the resting
state in test subjects. That converts to a 1,560% increase in mercury
release."The World Health Organization has calculated that the average human
daily dose of mercury from various sources are: Dental amalgam = 3.0-17.0
mg/day (Hg vapor) Fish and Seafood = 2.3 mg/day (methylmercury) Other food =
0.3 mg/day(inorganic Hg) Air & Water = Negligible traces (NOTE mg =
Micrograms)" (World Health Organization Figures, from Environmental Health
Criteria 118: Inorganic Mercury, Geneva, 1991. These figures confirm Amalgam as
#1 average source for Environmental Mercury exposure.)"You wouldn't take a
leaky thermometer, put it in your mouth, and leave it there 24 hours a day, 365
days a year. Yet that's exactly what happens when an amalgam filling is
installed in your mouth."--Dr Michael Ziff.Mercury Vapor AnalyzerThe <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Jerome 431-X Mercury Vapor Analyzer uses a
patented gold film sensor for the detection and measurement of toxic mercury
vapor in the air, including the air in your mouth. It is a portable hand-held
unit, weighing only seven pounds that can easily be carried to locations where
there is a concern about mercury. It is the same unit used for chemical
toxicology testing by OSHA and the EPA to monitor industrial hygiene, mercury
spill cleanups and mercury exclusion testing. It is also suitable for
monitoring mercury concentrations in a dental office during a daily routine.The
simple push-button operation allows users to measure mercury levels in just
seconds. The detection range is from 0.000 to 0.999 mg/m3 Hg. The gold film
sensor is inherently stable and selective to mercury, eliminating interference
common to ultraviolet analyzers, such as water vapor and hydrocarbons. When the
sample cycle is activated, the internal pump in the 431-X draws a precise
volume of air over the sensor. Mercury in the sample is adsorbed and integrated
by the sensor, registering it as proportional change in electrical resistance.
The instrument computes the concentration of mercury in milligrams or nanograms
per cubic meter, and displays the final result in the LCD readout.The 431-X
includes features not available in older Jerome models. When attached to either
a data logger or computer, the analyzer automatically regenerates the sensor
when it becomes saturated and then resumes sampling. An improved film
regeneration circuit makes the sensor last even longer. It can operate up to
six hours on a fully charged nickel-cadmium battery.This analyzer can easily be
used to measure mercury vapor concentration on a patient before and after
chewing a piece of gum for 5 minutes. Chewing, or tooth grinding, increases the
heat between teeth and, thus, enhances the release of mercury from
amalgams.This is an insightful eye-opener for those skeptical dentists who
still refute the possibility of mercury leaking out of dental amalgams and
their own health and their patients’ health being in jeopardy by their
refusal to acknowledge something that is clearly visible with this machine.Some
reported measurements of dental patients’ oral mercury vapor have been twice
the OSHA standard of 50 µg/cubic meters which would place them in violation of
the OSHA standard based on an employee’s 8-hour work exposure for a 40-hour
work period seven days a week. Once measurements are taken, you will realize
that the most toxic spaces may not be at one of the EPA’s superfund sites,
but simply right under your nose.

Mercury Ingestion

Mercury readily mixes with food and is swallowed with it. The body uptake from
inorganic mercury, swallowed with saliva, can be as much as hundreds of
micrograms per day for individuals with a large number of amalgam fillings.
Urinary excretion is a common indicator of mercury toxicity, even though fecal
excretion of mercury is twenty times greater than the corresponding urinary
excretion. There is a statistical correlation between the mercury concentration
in saliva and the number of amalgam fillings. The United States government has
determined and ruled that the continual exposure to mercury from amalgam
fillings is not without risk to patients. We are concerned over picograms and
micrograms of mercury in apples and are looking the other way when milligrams,
one million times more, are being implanted directly into a child's mouth.
There is a phenomenon that occurs in the mouth that can contribute to the
release of mercury, and is called corrosion. Corrosion is similar to "rust" and
means that surface particles of the filling material are being chemically
broken down and released into the oral cavity.

Mercury vapor is released when you chew or grind. Additionally, minute rusted
particles of the amalgam are being abraded and taken up by your food or saliva
and swallowed. Intestinal enzymes and bacteria both produce methylmercury, an
even more toxic form than elemental mercury, may act upon these minute
particles of mercury filling. Although several sources contributing to the
domestic mercury concentrations have been identified, human wastes
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Jan 2005 13:34 GMT
>No, it isn't funny.

Its very funny.

Jan is the antithesis of scientific thought!
clintonz@prodigy.net - 24 Jan 2005 14:50 GMT
> >No, it isn't funny.
>
> Its very funny.
>
> Jan is the antithesis of scientific thought!

My point is, that for something characterized
as unscientific by you, you are getting your
a.s kicked. Could that be because what Jan
posts are facts, and what you post is nonsense?
Tony Bad - 24 Jan 2005 15:14 GMT
> My point is, that for something characterized
> as unscientific by you, you are getting your
> a.s kicked. Could that be because what Jan
> posts are facts, and what you post is nonsense?

Oh Clinton, you are a hoot...more comedy.

T
jdrew63929@aol.com - 24 Jan 2005 19:58 GMT
Tony Bad   Jan 24, 10:12 am     show options

Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: "Tony Bad" <spamspams...@bakedbeans.spam>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:44 -0800
Local: Mon, Jan 24 2005 10:12 am
Subject: Re: Why most dentists on SMD don't respond to Jan Drew

<clint...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:1106578254.058926.60430@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> My point is, that for something characterized
> as unscientific by you, you are getting your
> a.s kicked. Could that be because what Jan
> posts are facts, and what you post is nonsense?

Oh Clinton, you are a hoot...more comedy.
Typical when one can't address the facts.
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Jan 2005 15:36 GMT
>> >No, it isn't funny.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>a.s kicked. Could that be because what Jan
>posts are facts, and what you post is nonsense?

Not really.

If you mean Jan Drew's links to articles written by barbers and
insurance salesmen that is not scientific proof.

Joel
carabelli - 24 Jan 2005 15:46 GMT
> > >No, it isn't funny.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> a.s kicked. Could that be because what Jan
> posts are facts, and what you post is nonsense?

Try reading for content, not what you think I posted.

carabelli
Steven Fawks - 24 Jan 2005 16:36 GMT
Where is Dr. Coyote when you need him?

Fawks

>>My point is, that for something characterized
>>as unscientific by you, you are getting your
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> carabelli
W_B - 24 Jan 2005 17:04 GMT
Howling at the moon.

>Where is Dr. Coyote when you need him?
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> carabelli

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 24 Jan 2005 22:35 GMT
Guess that shouldn't be surprising when his Ph.D. came from ACME.

Fawks

> Howling at the moon.
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 24 Jan 2005 22:50 GMT
Will he ever catch the road runner ?

>Guess that shouldn't be surprising when his Ph.D. came from ACME.
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>> Take out the G'RBAGE
>> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 25 Jan 2005 19:21 GMT
Not unless he gets a Viper.

Fawks

> Will he ever catch the road runner ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 25 Jan 2005 20:16 GMT
Or a Hemi-Cuda ?

>Not unless he gets a Viper.
>
>Fawks
>
>> Will he ever catch the road runner ?

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Steven Fawks - 25 Jan 2005 22:32 GMT
That would work!  'Course, he'd probably drive it off a cliff.

Fawks

> Or a Hemi-Cuda ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> W_B
W_B - 26 Jan 2005 16:12 GMT
Yeah, the Viper has better suspension.

>That would work!  'Course, he'd probably drive it off a cliff.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>
>>>>Will he ever catch the road runner ?

>> W_B

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
MC60614 - 26 Jan 2005 02:58 GMT
You must not have heard but the Road Runner got caught by Wild y. They are
having an alternative relationship.             Good Luck To Them, Mike
carabelli - 19 Feb 2005 02:58 GMT
1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot

2. SMD is her personal dartboard.

3. It is a waste of time.

4. Did I mention it is a waste of time?

5. Responses encourage her to continue posting here and that, my friends,
leaves the dentally uninformed easy prey
for the charlatans out there who are ready to take your money, give you
false hope, or worse.

6. In case you forgot, it is a fruitless endeavour and suprisingly a waste
of your time.
---------------
She has however, mastered the art of manipulating those who choose to
respond on SMD.  Why on earth do you continue?  For a time, I did love
giving her smartass responses that nailed her as the pompous loudmouth idiot
that she is.  It became pointless, as in fertilizing castor bean plants -
she/he/it simply feeds on it..  I usually scroll past her posts anymore.  I
am starting to scroll past SMD in my newsreader more frequently also.  As
are other former posters...........

Best wishes

carabelli
Steven Bornfeld - 19 Feb 2005 03:03 GMT
> 1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot

    Are we verbifying nouns again?

Steve
carabelli - 19 Feb 2005 07:10 GMT
>> 1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot
>
> Are we verbifying nouns again?
>
> Steve

I refuse to be the first one to try conjugating Carlo.

Dan
Peter Meiers - 19 Feb 2005 08:04 GMT
> I refuse to be the first one to try conjugating Carlo.

Why?

Carlo, Carlas, Carlat, Carlamus, Carlate, Carlant

Only problem is the translation of that nonsense.

Peter

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Feb 2005 14:19 GMT
>>>1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Dan

    I've heard he can conjugate with the best of 'em.

Steve

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W_B - 20 Feb 2005 05:58 GMT
>>>>1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Steve

Got any video, and/or testimonials ?

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Robert  Morien - 19 Feb 2005 03:42 GMT
> 1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> carabelli

Is she joels alter identity?
W_B - 19 Feb 2005 04:28 GMT
>Is she joels alter identity?

I postulated as much here while back.

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W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
carabelli - 19 Feb 2005 05:28 GMT
>>Is she joels alter identity?
>
> I postulated as much here while back.
>
> --
> W_B

They certainly feed on each other in a perverted symbiotic relationship.

I used to enjoy providing advice in my area of expertise in this forum.  And
the banter.  Feedback from ortho advice has vanished - people ask - then cut
and run.  And the finger pointers - why bother.

My other interests that I post to (some usenet - good luck finding me there,
and web-based)  have none of this BS.

Best Wishes

carabelli
Robert  Morien - 19 Feb 2005 06:28 GMT
> >>Is she joels alter identity?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> They certainly feed on each other in a perverted symbiotic relationship.

at least Joel was somehow trained to stop cross-posting to inappropriate
newsgroups.

I enjoy the thought that someday a long time patient or a relative will
google him and then ask themselves if they really want him near them.

> I used to enjoy providing advice in my area of expertise in this forum.  And
> the banter.  Feedback from ortho advice has vanished - people ask - then cut
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Feb 2005 11:48 GMT
>at least Joel was somehow trained to stop cross-posting to inappropriate
>newsgroups.
>
>I enjoy the thought that someday a long time patient or a relative will
>google him and then ask themselves if they really want him near them.

I like to think that you are not the REAL Robert .....
Robert  Morien - 20 Feb 2005 06:45 GMT
> >at least Joel was somehow trained to stop cross-posting to inappropriate
> >newsgroups.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I like to think that you are not the REAL Robert .....

You have never demonstrated the requisite skills to prove you can think.
Joel M. Eichen - 20 Feb 2005 13:22 GMT
>> >at least Joel was somehow trained to stop cross-posting to inappropriate
>> >newsgroups.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You have never demonstrated the requisite skills to prove you can think.

Robert, at lease we got you to start typing and stop using that Morse
Code stuff which wasn't even real Morse Code!
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Feb 2005 11:47 GMT
>>>Is she joels alter identity?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>the banter.  Feedback from ortho advice has vanished - people ask - then cut
>and run.  And the finger pointers - why bother.

REPLY

I agree completely.

But I think its a function of the "quick world" in which we live. Many
times, an orthodontic or a restorative dental problem requires a
number of opinions and a number of discussions.

This takes perserverence.

Joel

>My other interests that I post to (some usenet - good luck finding me there,
>and web-based)  have none of this BS.
>
>Best Wishes
>
>carabelli
Steven Fawks - 19 Feb 2005 17:51 GMT
All my 'serious' communication is on the IDF.  My posts here have
declined quite a bit over the last year as well.

Fawks

> My other interests that I post to (some usenet - good luck finding me there,
> and web-based)  have none of this BS.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> carabelli
W_B - 20 Feb 2005 05:47 GMT
>>>Is she joels alter identity?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>They certainly feed on each other in a perverted symbiotic relationship.

Saprophytic comes to mind.

>I used to enjoy providing advice in my area of expertise in this forum.  And
>the banter.  Feedback from ortho advice has vanished - people ask - then cut
>and run.  And the finger pointers - why bother.

Once a few choice filters are in place, SMD ain't so bad.
Recent developments hold promise for this groups' future.

>My other interests that I post to (some usenet - good luck finding me there,
>and web-based)  have none of this BS.

Of course there are groups without a 'troll' and a 'protagonist'.
Most usenet mavens use different monikers in different groups.
I consider it a standard. You wouldn't find me in other groups
either unless you knew where to look and my nick for each
particular group.

>Best Wishes
>
>carabelli

Don't give up on SMD bro, I always like witty banter with ya.

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W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Feb 2005 11:46 GMT
>>Is she joels alter identity?
>
>I postulated as much here while back.

If she were, I'd be surprised.

Joel
Robert  Morien - 20 Feb 2005 06:46 GMT
> >>Is she joels alter identity?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Joel

you'd be the only one
W_B - 19 Feb 2005 04:24 GMT
>6. In case you forgot, it is a fruitless endeavour and suprisingly a waste
>of your time.

As in Monty Python ?

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
carabelli - 25 Feb 2005 06:08 GMT
 Why *some* dentists on SMD don't respond to Jan Drew

> 1. She is a "CarloHoskins" ing   idiot
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> carabelli
carabelli - 18 Mar 2005 02:40 GMT
Simple reason to ignore Jan Drew's posts...........

1. She is  IMHO probably TMSFIE to learn how to post on usenet ( now she
will want to know what usenet is)_

2. SMD is her personal dartboard.

3. It is a waste of time.

4. Did I mention it is a waste of time?

5. Responses encourage her to continue posting here and that, my friends,
leaves the dentally uninformed easy prey for the charlatans out there who
are ready to take your money, give you
false hope, or worse.

6. In case you forgot, it is a fruitless endeavour and suprisingly a waste
of your time.
---------------
She has however, mastered the art of manipulating those who choose to
respond on SMD.  Why on earth do you continue?  For a time, I did love
giving her smartass responses that nailed her as the pompous loudmouth
idiot
that she is.  It became pointless, as in fertilizing castor bean plants -
she/he/it simply feeds on it..  I usually scroll past her posts anymore -
(update - blocked - along with a few other idiots).  I
am starting to scroll past SMD in my newsreader more frequently also.  As
are other former posters...........

Best wishes

carabelli - Jan, I will wake up tomorrow pretty much the same as today, you
will too, won't anybody in your family help???????????
Michael Cundiff - 18 Mar 2005 08:20 GMT
Kool...MC
> Simple reason to ignore Jan Drew's posts...........
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> carabelli - Jan, I will wake up tomorrow pretty much the same as today, you
> will too, won't anybody in your family help???????????
StovePipe - 20 Mar 2005 02:14 GMT
>  1. She is  IMHO probably TMSFIE to learn how to post on usenet ( now she
> will want to know what usenet is)_

SHNMNBM can get off her a.s and go look it up.

I'm snipping the other reasons, as we know them quite well.

>  I am starting to scroll past SMD in my newsreader more frequently also.  As
>  are other former posters...........

Now, THIS is the part which saddens me; that the quality regs feel they
must leave because they're getting pissed off by a bunch of
......<......>. It  is the same for any reasonable patients or curious
browsers. I wouldn't have stopped in here a year ago if SHNMNBM's posts
were the first ones I encountered. Unfortunantely, they are amoung the
most numerous. It is as if there was a permanent demonstration by those
......<......> outside the gates, harassing any one who might want to
come in. JME, you and you alone can help here....

On the positive side, I've noticed that there are almost no more reg
dentists who answer SHNMNBM anymore apart from JME.

Myself, the first thing I do when downloading SMD messages is sort them
alphabetically by author and then I delete SHNMNBM, all the other
bullshit childish arguments, and then I re-sort by grouping threads by
the time/date of each thread. If I see SHNMNBM, it's because SOMEBODY,
in his infinite wisdom, has quoted SHNMNBM, for reasons known only to
the powers that be.

>  Best wishes
>
> carabelli - Jan, I will wake up tomorrow pretty much the same as today, you
> will too, won't anybody in your family help???????????

Again, Dan, DON'T break your rule; not even once. I never joined the
moratorium. I _do_ enforce it to the fullest extent, and so must we all.
If there is some way to make Dan's and DrS's posts repeat automatically,
I feel that should be done; three or four times per day.

JMO
SP
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Finally: take out the TRASHH

Joel M. Eichen - 20 Mar 2005 03:19 GMT
>>  1. She is  IMHO probably TMSFIE to learn how to post on usenet ( now she
>> will want to know what usenet is)_
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>On the positive side, I've noticed that there are almost no more reg
>dentists who answer SHNMNBM anymore apart from JME.

I am having trouble with the acronym ...... give me a hint here ...

Joel

>Myself, the first thing I do when downloading SMD messages is sort them
>alphabetically by author and then I delete SHNMNBM, all the other
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>JMO
>SP
StovePipe - 20 Mar 2005 05:16 GMT
> >On the positive side, I've noticed that there are almost no more reg
> >dentists who answer SHNMNBM anymore apart from JME.
>
> I am having trouble with the acronym ...... give me a hint here ...
>
> Joel

She Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned...
Now, can you de-acronymize Dan's earlier one?

She is  IMHO probably TMSFIE to learn....

The Most Stupid F'ing....... Insecure Ediot....?....

Puzzled SP's want to know
Thanks
SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 20 Mar 2005 12:20 GMT
>> >On the positive side, I've noticed that there are almost no more reg
>> >dentists who answer SHNMNBM anymore apart from JME.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>She Whose Name Must Not Be Mentioned...
>Now, can you de-acronymize Dan's earlier one?

THANKS.

Joel

>She is  IMHO probably TMSFIE to learn....
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Thanks
>SP
 
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