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Subject: Re: More anecdotal evidence >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS markh@peoplepc.com >Date: 8/7/01 10:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <3B700DCE.A0141159@peoplepc.com> > > Hi! (are you being intentionally semi-anonymous?) > > I agree 100%. I think that since we see only the words, it is too easy >to >reduce the words in opposition to one's position to a depersonalized "other", >if >you will. > I know people who are ill. Some are angry, some are not. Very few are >responsible in any material way for their illness, and are just trying to >understand. Some wish revenge; some only try to find meaning in their >illness by >trying to prevent others from going through what they have. You're the last >person >I have to tell that to. > Dentists make a convenient target, and in some measure we deserve it--as >a >group. Few of us deserve it as a personal attack, though sometimes things >seem to >degenerate to a personal level here. I guess that's because we only see the >words, >and don't know the people. I'd bet that if Joel were Jan's nephew, they >wouldn't >talk to each other the way the do here (maybe worse, considering the families >I >know). It's just important to understand that people who are hurt deserve >some >understanding, whether or not we agree with their ideas. > >Steve From: Steven Bornfeld (marstev1@netzero.net) Subject: Re: You should all be ashamed of yourselves (cc'd to some privately View: Complete Thread (23 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry, alt.support.jaw-disorders Date: 2001-04-19 16:24:10 PST Jan has made her position clear. She doesn't pretend to be impartial, and I know exactly why she is here. I respectfully disagree with her, but I like her and would feel lucky to have her as a patient. >Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com >Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <31ja6hF3cfvgnU1@individual.net> > >W_B wrote: >> Recommend that you join us in the moratorium >> for CubicZirconia >> >> 12 months. >> >> Whaddaya say ? >> >> -- >> W_B > >WB-- > > I have no problem whatever with any INDIVIDUAL wishing not to reply, >comment or block me or any other poster. I can also understand why you >would find some posting here as personally or professionally offensive. > However, I personally will not participate in any organized effort to >"freeze out" any individuals. > I think if my activity on this and other newsgroups is examined that >after my first year or so on usenet that I have done reasonably well at >avoiding personal attacks on others; that I'm certainly not afraid to >publically disagree, but that I will only carry on discussion of a >contentious issue where I think there is genuine discussion and exchange >of ideas with another. For me, endless arguments about issues and with >individuals with which there is no meaningful exchange of ideas is not >only a waste of time and bandwidth; it is also something that at my age >is not good for me (if it had ever been). > However, I feel perfectly justified in engaging anyone in conversation >where I think there can be an exchange of ideas, or especially where I >think the issue can encourage discussion with others about a legitimate >issue or point. > If I only engaged people who agreed with me all the time, I would be >talking to myself--and sometimes not even that. > >Best, >Steve Hi Jan, Got a new hard drive installed...and haven't got around to resetting my blocked senders list. I find it funny you have such respect for someone because they will not engage in name calling or other devise behavior, yet now that I have you unblocked, I see that even though I have not engaged you in conversation for months, have not made any comments about you for an equally long time, YOU are still making comments about my lack of integrity and big ego. I find that a bit ironic, and leaves me wondering why anyone would write they like you or they would feel lucky to have you as a patient. I don't like people that are dishonest in professing respect for a given mindset or behavior, and then engage in activities that are the polar opposite. I'm turning you off again now...and hoping this hard drive has a long life and will keep me from reading your words ever again. T > Subject: Re: More anecdotal evidence > >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS markh@peoplepc.com [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > >Best, > >Steve (snip) Thank you for the kind words. My best for a quick and full recovery from your surgery. Steve  SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:29:58 -0500 Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 6:29 am Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & others Jan wrote: (snip) Thank you for the kind words. My best for a quick and full recovery from your surgery. You earned the kind words, it is a pleasure to see an honest dentist here. Not only concerning me, but others. Jan > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry > From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jan The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from the above who wrote what. Try to reduce the confusion. Same goes for Joel. Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:57:51 GMT Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 8:57 pm Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & others jdrew63...@aol.com wrote: - > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry > From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:29:58 -0500 > Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 6:29 am > Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about > Jan & others > Jan wrote: > (snip) > Thank you for the kind words. > My best for a quick and full recovery from your surgery. > You earned the kind words, it is a pleasure to see an honest dentist > here. > Not only concerning me, but others. > Jan The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from the above who wrote what. Try to reduce the confusion. Same goes for Joel. Read again: From: Steven Bornfeld (marst...@netzero.net) Subject: Re: You should all be ashamed of yourselves (cc'd to some privately View: Complete Thread (23 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry, alt.support.jaw-disorders Date: 2001-04-19 16:24:10 PST Jan has made her position clear. She doesn't pretend to be impartial, and I know exactly why she is here. I respectfully disagree with her, but I like her and would feel lucky to have her as a patient. >Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com >Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <31ja6hF3cfvg...@individual.net> >W_B wrote: >> Recommend that you join us in the moratorium >> for CubicZirconia >> 12 months. >> Whaddaya say ? >> -- >> W_B >WB-- > I have no problem whatever with any INDIVIDUAL wishing not to reply, >comment or block me or any other poster. I can also understand why you >would find some posting here as personally or professionally offensive. > However, I personally will not participate in any organized effort to >"freeze out" any individuals. > I think if my activity on this and other newsgroups is examined that >after my first year or so on usenet that I have done reasonably well at >avoiding personal attacks on others; that I'm certainly not afraid to >publically disagree, but that I will only carry on discussion of a >contentious issue where I think there is genuine discussion and exchange >of ideas with another. For me, endless arguments about issues and with >individuals with which there is no meaningful exchange of ideas is not >only a waste of time and bandwidth; it is also something that at my age >is not good for me (if it had ever been). > However, I feel perfectly justified in engaging anyone in conversation >where I think there can be an exchange of ideas, or especially where I >think the issue can encourage discussion with others about a legitimate >issue or point. > If I only engaged people who agreed with me all the time, I would be >talking to myself--and sometimes not even that. >Best, >Steve >-- >Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS >http://www.dentaltwins.com >Brooklyn, NY >718-258-5001 > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry > From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] >>Brooklyn, NY >>718-258-5001 The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from the above who wrote what. Try to reduce the confusion. Same goes for Joel. >From: Matt >The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow >conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from the >above who wrote what. Nobody had any trouble but you. >>From: Matt > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nobody had any trouble but you. You don't know that. >>>From: Matt >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >You don't know that. Hey Matt. Its wishful thinking on Jan's part. I noticed the same thing as you. Joel >>>>From: Matt >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Joel She's been asked countless times. Her approach seems to be "if it makes sense to me, that's good enough". But then what makes sense to her seldom does to anyone else. carabelli >>>>From: Matt >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Joel Okay, well thanks for indicating your agreement. Now what about the part where I wrote: > Same goes for Joel. ? :-) >> Hey Matt. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >? :-) I think I make it clear when someone else posts, but who knows? Joel >>From: Matt > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nobody had any trouble but you. Thank you for the proper use of quoting conventions in the reply to which I am here replying. Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:40:28 GMT Local: Sat, Jan 22 2005 11:40 am Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & Jan writes: Matt just snipped the last word of this post. Jan wrote: >>From: Matt >>The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow >>conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from the >>above who wrote what. > Nobody had any trouble but you. Thank you for the proper use of quoting conventions in the reply to which I am here replying. Jan writes again on Jan 22, year 2005, time: 8:38 PM Matt, It appears you have tried to change the subject. It is clear what the one and only gentleman dentist HERE said about Jan & others. *****************: Re: More anecdotal evidence************* LOOK IT UP! >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS m...@peoplepc.com >Date: 8/7/01 10:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <3B700DCE.A0141...@peoplepc.com> > Hi! (are you being intentionally semi-anonymous?) > I agree 100%. I think that since we see only the words, it is too easy >to >reduce the words in opposition to one's position to a depersonalized "other", >if >you will. > I know people who are ill. Some are angry, some are not. Very few are >responsible in any material way for their illness, and are just trying to >understand. Some wish revenge; some only try to find meaning in their >illness by >trying to prevent others from going through what they have. You're the last >person >I have to tell that to. > Dentists make a convenient target, and in some measure we deserve it--as >a >group. Few of us deserve it as a personal attack, though sometimes things >seem to >degenerate to a personal level here. I guess that's because we only see the >words, >and don't know the people. I'd bet that if Joel were Jan's nephew, they >wouldn't >talk to each other the way the do here (maybe worse, considering the families >I >know). It's just important to understand that people who are hurt deserve >some >understanding, whether or not we agree with their ideas. >Steve From: Steven Bornfeld (marst...@netzero.net) Subject: Re: You should all be ashamed of yourselves (cc'd to some privately View: Complete Thread (23 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry, alt.support.jaw-disorders Date: 2001-04-19 16:24:10 PST Jan has made her position clear. She doesn't pretend to be impartial, and I know exactly why she is here. I respectfully disagree with her, but I like her and would feel lucky to have her as a patient. >Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com >Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <31ja6hF3cfvg...@individual.net> >W_B wrote: >> Recommend that you join us in the moratorium >> for CubicZirconia >> 12 months. >> Whaddaya say ? >> -- >> W_B >WB-- > I have no problem whatever with any INDIVIDUAL wishing not to reply, >comment or block me or any other poster. I can also understand why you >would find some posting here as personally or professionally offensive. > However, I personally will not participate in any organized effort to >"freeze out" any individuals. > I think if my activity on this and other newsgroups is examined that >after my first year or so on usenet that I have done reasonably well at >avoiding personal attacks on others; that I'm certainly not afraid to >publically disagree, but that I will only carry on discussion of a >contentious issue where I think there is genuine discussion and exchange >of ideas with another. For me, endless arguments about issues and with >individuals with which there is no meaningful exchange of ideas is not >only a waste of time and bandwidth; it is also something that at my age >is not good for me (if it had ever been). > However, I feel perfectly justified in engaging anyone in conversation >where I think there can be an exchange of ideas, or especially where I >think the issue can encourage discussion with others about a legitimate >issue or point. > If I only engaged people who agreed with me all the time, I would be >talking to myself--and sometimes not even that. >Best, >Steve >-- >Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS >http://www.dentaltwins.com >Brooklyn, NY >718-258-5001 Jan > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry > From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> [quoted text clipped - 188 lines] > > Jan That is quite a mess. Maybe you just need to change some setting on your browser. I don't know what the G2/0.2 User Agent is, but maybe that is your problem. Give a try to some ordinary browser such as Mozilla or Foxfire. Even Outlook Express might be better. Maybe you are not even using a GUI. That's okay, you should be able to find some sensible text-only browser that automatically puts quotes in replies. Maybe slm or lynx. Drop your ego and do it to efficiently propagate your beliefs about mercury amalgam fillings. > >From: Matt > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nobody had any trouble but you. Incorrect (as you so often say): nobody even tries to wade thru your noise-ridden posts/replies SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> - Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:11:45 GMT Local: Sat, Jan 22 2005 7:11 pm Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & jdrew63...@aol.com wrote: > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry > From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:40:28 GMT > Local: Sat, Jan 22 2005 11:40 am > Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about > Jan & > Matt just snipped the last word of this post. Matt is silent. >>>From: Matt >>>The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow >>>conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from > the >>>above who wrote what. >>Nobody had any trouble but you. > Thank you for the proper use of quoting conventions in the reply to > which I am here replying. > Jan writes again on Jan 22, year 2005, time: 8:38 PM > Matt, > It appears you have tried to change the subject. It is clear what the > one and only gentleman dentist HERE said about Jan & others. > *****************: Re: More anecdotal evidence************* > LOOK IT UP! >>From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS m...@peoplepc.com >>Date: 8/7/01 10:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time >>Message-id: <3B700DCE.A0141...@peoplepc.com> >> Hi! (are you being intentionally semi-anonymous?) >> I agree 100%. I think that since we see only the words, it is too > easy >>to >>reduce the words in opposition to one's position to a depersonalized > "other", >>if >>you will. >> I know people who are ill. Some are angry, some are not. Very > few are >>responsible in any material way for their illness, and are just trying > to >>understand. Some wish revenge; some only try to find meaning in their >>illness by >>trying to prevent others from going through what they have. You're the > last >>person >>I have to tell that to. >> Dentists make a convenient target, and in some measure we deserve > it--as >>a >>group. Few of us deserve it as a personal attack, though sometimes > things >>seem to >>degenerate to a personal level here. I guess that's because we only > see the >>words, >>and don't know the people. I'd bet that if Joel were Jan's nephew, > they >>wouldn't >>talk to each other the way the do here (maybe worse, considering the > families >>I >>know). It's just important to understand that people who are hurt > deserve >>some >>understanding, whether or not we agree with their ideas. >>Steve > From: Steven Bornfeld (marst...@netzero.net) > Subject: Re: You should all be ashamed of yourselves (cc'd to some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry, alt.support.jaw-disorders > Date: 2001-04-19 16:24:10 PST > Jan has made her position clear. She doesn't pretend to be impartial, > and I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > would feel > lucky to have her as a patient. >>Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers >>From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com >>Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <31ja6hF3cfvg...@individual.net> >>W_B wrote: >>>Recommend that you join us in the moratorium >>>for CubicZirconia >>>12 months. >>>Whaddaya say ? >>>-- >>>W_B >>WB-- >>I have no problem whatever with any INDIVIDUAL wishing not to reply, >>comment or block me or any other poster. I can also understand why you >>would find some posting here as personally or professionally > offensive. >>However, I personally will not participate in any organized effort to >>"freeze out" any individuals. >>I think if my activity on this and other newsgroups is examined that >>after my first year or so on usenet that I have done reasonably well > at >>avoiding personal attacks on others; that I'm certainly not afraid to >>publically disagree, but that I will only carry on discussion of a >>contentious issue where I think there is genuine discussion and > exchange >>of ideas with another. For me, endless arguments about issues and with >>individuals with which there is no meaningful exchange of ideas is not >>only a waste of time and bandwidth; it is also something that at my > age >>is not good for me (if it had ever been). >>However, I feel perfectly justified in engaging anyone in > conversation >>where I think there can be an exchange of ideas, or especially where I >>think the issue can encourage discussion with others about a > legitimate >>issue or point. >>If I only engaged people who agreed with me all the time, I would be >>talking to myself--and sometimes not even that. >>Best, >>Steve >>-- >>Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS >>http://www.dentaltwins.com >>Brooklyn, NY >>718-258-5001 > Jan That is quite a mess. Maybe you just need to change some setting on your browser. I don't know what the G2/0.2 User Agent is, but maybe that is your problem I dont have problem and never heard of G2/0.2Agent. I am posting through google, since aol mesed up their reader page. What I posted is clear. No doubt about who said what. Stop trying to change the subject, drop YOUR ego and see how a gentleman dentist is honest, polite and fair. Jan >Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & others >From: "jdrew63929@aol.com" jdrew63929@aol.com >Date: 1/22/2005 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <1106451096.342080.267660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry >From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> - >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:11:45 GMT >Local: Sat, Jan 22 2005 7:11 pm >Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about >Jan & others. >> Matt just snipped the last word of this post. > >Matt is silent. >>>>From: Matt >>>>The discourse might be improved if you and others would follow >>>>conventions for quoting text in your replies. Nobody can tell from the above who wrote what. >>Nobody had any trouble but you. > Thank you for the proper use of quoting conventions in the reply to >> which I am here replying. >> Jan writes again on Jan 22, year 2005, time: 8:38 PM > >> Matt, >> It appears you have tried to change the subject. It is clear what the >> one and only gentleman dentist HERE said about Jan & others >> *****************: Re: More anecdotal evidence************* > >> LOOK IT UP! >>>From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS m...@peoplepc.com >>>Date: 8/7/01 10:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time >>Message-id: <3B700DCE.A0141...@peoplepc.com> >>> Hi! (are you being intentionally semi-anonymous?) > I agree 100%. I think that since we see only the words, it is too easy to >>>reduce the words in opposition to one's position to a depersonalized "other" >>if >>>you will. >>> I know people who are ill. Some are angry, some are not. Very few are responsible in any material way for their illness, and are just trying to understand > Some wish revenge; some only try to find meaning in their >>>illness by >>>trying to prevent others from going through what they have. >You're the last person have to tell that to. >>> Dentists make a convenient target, and in some measure we deserve it--as a group >Few of us deserve it as a personal attack, though sometimes things >seem to degenerate to a personal level here. I guess that's because we only see the words, and don't know the people. I'd bet that if Joel were Jan's nephew, they wouldn't talk to each other the way the do here (maybe worse, considering the families >>I know). It's just important to understand that people who are hurt deserve someunderstanding, whether or not we agree with their ideas >>>Steve > From: Steven Bornfeld (marst...@netzero.net) >> Subject: Re: You should all be ashamed of yourselves (cc'd to some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry, alt.support.jaw-disorders >> Date: 2001-04-19 16:24:10 PST > Jan has made her position clear. She doesn't pretend to be impartial, and I know exactly why she is here. >I respectfully disagree with her, but I like >> her and would feel lucky to have her as a patient. >>Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers > >>>From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com >>>Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >>Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers > >>>From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com >>>Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >>>Message-id: <31ja6hF3cfvg...@individual.net> >>>W_B wrote: > >>>>Recommend that you join us in the moratorium >>>>for CubicZirconia >W_B >>WB-- >I have no problem whatever with any INDIVIDUAL wishing not to reply, >>>comment or block me or any other poster. I can also understand why you >>would find some posting here as personally or professionally offensive >>However, I personally will not participate in any organized effort to freeze out" any individuals. >>>I think if my activity on this and other newsgroups is examined that after my first year or so on usenet that I have done reasonably well at avoiding personal attacks on others; that I'm certainly not afraid to>publically disagree, but that I will only carry on discussion of a contentious issue where I think there is genuine discussion and exchange of ideas with another. For me, endless arguments about issues and with individuals with which there is no meaningful exchange of ideas is notonly a waste of time and bandwidth; it is also something that at my age is not good for me (if it had ever been). >>>However, I feel perfectly justified in engaging anyone inNewsgroups >where I think there can be an exchange of ideas, or especially where >I >think the issue can encourage discussion with others about a legitimate issue or point. >If I only engaged people who agreed with me all the time, I would be talking to myself--and sometimes not even that. >>>Best, >>>Steve >Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS >>>http://www.dentaltwins.com >>>Brooklyn, NY >>>718-258-5001 I don't know how Mat did this, but it is NOT how my post appeared. Get a life Matt My post; Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) - Date: 20 Jan 2005 04:12:19 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 19 2005 8:12 pm Subject: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & others Subject: Re: More anecdotal evidence - >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS m...@peoplepc.com >Date: 8/7/01 10:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <3B700DCE.A0141...@peoplepc.com> > Hi! (are you being intentionally semi-anonymous?) > I agree 100%. I think that since we see only the words, it is too easy >to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >some >understanding, whether or not we agree with their ideas. >Steve From: Steven Bornfeld (marst...@netzero.net) Subject: Re: You should all be ashamed of yourselves (cc'd to some privately View: Complete Thread (23 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry, alt.support.jaw-disorders Date: 2001-04-19 16:24:10 PST Jan has made her position clear. She doesn't pretend to be impartial, and I know exactly why she is here. I respectfully disagree with her, but I like her and would feel lucky to have her as a patient. >Subject: Re: defectiveAmalgam mixers >From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com >Date: 12/6/2004 6:55 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <31ja6hF3cfvg...@individual.net> >W_B wrote: >> Recommend that you join us in the moratorium >> for CubicZirconia >> 12 months. >> Whaddaya say ? >> -- >> W_B >WB-- > I have no problem whatever with any INDIVIDUAL wishing not to reply, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If I only engaged people who agreed with me all the time, I would be >talking to myself--and sometimes not even that. >Best, >Steve > I don't know how Mat did this, but it is NOT how my post appeared. > [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] >>Best, >>Steve WHAT are you talking about? I don't know what you think I did. Please tell me exactly what you think I did. Gosh, I was just trying to make a helpful suggestion about your posting style. You seem to have some kind of mental block about it. >WHAT are you talking about? I don't know what you think I did. Please >tell me exactly what you think I did. > >Gosh, I was just trying to make a helpful suggestion about your posting >style. You seem to have some kind of mental block about it. MY REPLY Jan gets a little goofy from time to time ......... say every post ....... Joel > Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry > From: Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> - [quoted text clipped - 229 lines] > > Jan Okay, I think I get it. The pro-amalgam elements are paying you to make the anti-amalgam side look crazy. Am I right? . > > Jan > > Okay, I think I get it. The pro-amalgam elements are paying you to make > the anti-amalgam side look crazy. Am I right? Matt, An astute observation. The reality is that amalgam is in use becasue the public accepts it and anti-amalgamists have to talk a lot because the public is incredibley dense on the issue. Talk enough and people will say you are crazy. Stop talking and they will retain their original pre-concieved, biased and uneducated views ;).If the US had wised up like the Europeans this topic wouldn't even have been discussed on SMD. > because the public is incredibley dense >on the issue. This means the public does not listen to Clinton, they listen to the medical establishment not the internet scarum establishment! Joel >> because the public is incredibley dense >>on the issue. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Joel I heard Jan Drew just had two perfectly good teeth removed because the nerves were wrapped around her neckbone nerves ........ That alone tells us about the scientific bent going on here. Joel >> because the public is incredibley dense >>on the issue. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Joel CZ: Huge asteroid to hit the US ....... and mercury fillings kill! END! The end is near. because the public is incredibley dense on the issue. > . > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > crazy. Stop talking and they will retain their original > pre-concieved, biased and uneducated views I am not referring to general anti-amalgam talk. I am referring to crazy talk by a Usenet-prominent anti-amalgamist. >From: Matt <snip> >Okay, I think I get it. The pro-amalgam elements are paying you to make >the anti-amalgam side look crazy. Am I right? No, you are dead wrong. I don't need to be paid and wouldn't accept money from who you suggest as it doesn't happen. I post because I was poisoned and nearly died. I have a message, I have helped others and will continue. Also, it was YOU who changed the post, and the title. Why are you here? Jan >>From: Matt > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No, you are dead wrong. I don't need to be paid and wouldn't accept money from > who you suggest as it doesn't happen. Oh. > I post because I was poisoned and nearly died. I have a message, I have helped > others and will continue. Well, I encourage you to help people reach the truth about amalgam fillings, whatever that might be. I find that your posting software and/or posting style are hindering you. > Also, it was YOU who changed the post, and the title. I don't know what you are talking about. I changed no title. I don't know what you mean that I "changed the post". > Why are you here? We all have to be somewhere. > Jan >Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & >From: Matt matt@themattfella.zzzz.com [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >fillings, whatever that might be. I find that your posting software >and/or posting style are hindering you. On the contrary. See below. >> Also, it was YOU who changed the post, and the title. >I don't know what you are talking about. I changed no title. I don't >know what you mean that I "changed the post". Excuse me if I don't believe that, it is quite simple. You snipeed the last word of the title. You also speard out the words, as all can see. >> Why are you here? > >We all have to be somewhere. Uh huh. Now just answer the question, please. ========== >Subject: Thanks to Jan,,,, >From: "Rod" deniece...@hotmail.com >Date: 7/31/02 7:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <00S19.49685$Hj3.148...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> >Hi to all, >I wish to express gratitude to Jan for making me aware of Dental issues. >I suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis and have done so since 1994. Having this [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >with consent of my Dentist, changed over a three month period. the majority >of my fillings to what is called "Composites" >I am happy to report that since that change that my feet and hands have >improved noticeably and that I suffer less with the morning stiffness so [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Strangely other people that I correspond with have also noted an improvement >in their well being since changing their amalgams to composites. >So a sincere "Thank you Jan" for making me look at the issues regarding >Dental Health. Believe me I have implemented these things "Aussie" Style >and have enjoyed the benefit despite the "she'll be right" attitude of my >Dentist. (Amalgam flying everywhere) >Deniece and I are to shortly visit Canada and the US during the next eight >weeks and I am most thankful of being able to make this trip, due to >improved health. >Incidentally I won the trip in a competition and it included the Canadian >Rockies tour as well as the Alaskan cruise. Wow! so we extend it all to >include Hawaii , North West USA and Hong Kong. >So good things still happen which makes it all so much worthwhile. >Many thanks Jan, >Sincerely, Rod >============================ >Jan - don't let them get you down. You never know how many people you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >anything. They will never learn. >But others will - and you are reaching them. >Good Work! >============================= >I have read a lot of your postings with great interest. From other sources [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >canal/crowns is flaring up with an infection at the tip of the root. First >time in my life, something like this has happened. >At my age, my teeth have started cracking. In light of what has been >researched and written, I see no reason to continue on with modern dentistry. >I will get the tooth pulled. The idea is to not have any more root canals or >crowns. Just start pulling and in the years ahead, get false teeth. When I >run out of enough natural teeth. >You were very brave to do your postings on the internet. I commend you for >them. >=========================== >Subject: Kudos to Jan Drew >From: "Lance Mannion" lancemann...@nospam.net >Date: 11/12/02 9:57 AM US Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <7F8A9.27789$y45.97195...@news.primus.ca> >Long time lurker, first time poster. >I have watched with amusement the idiocy of the dentists here on >this NG, especially Joel, who attack Jan, and ignore her postings. >The power of "groupthink" is quite amazing when viewing it from >the outside as an unbiased observer. >It is particularly amusing how powerful bias can be, when a group >cannot recognize that something that is hazardous waste by the >EPA's definition, is ok in the mouth. This should at least open >one's mind to the *possibility* that amalgams are hazardous in >*some* (not all) people. But noooooooo, the supposedly educated >dental professionals here are all-knowing. >I am a well educated, reasonable person, with a background in >statistics. I had my amalgams out, and yes, it did cure several >lifelong, chronic health conditions. It was *not* easy, and in >fact, is probably a risky procedure, since you do expose yourself >to lots of Hg upon removal. The detox has taken a long time, and >has been extremely unpleasant. >Re: Rich's postings - it is possible that some of Jan's improvement >was due to placebo. Heck, I felt better immediately after my amalgam >removal. That quickly changed as the Hg flooded into my body. Even >if Jan had some improvement due to placebo, that doesn't preclude >her from having Hg poisoning. >Re: Joel - this guy is an idiot. His posts do nothing for the credibility >of the "pro amalgam" side. I don't think he could handle a real debate. >All he does is post stupid articles and one-liners - what a dolt ! >So Jan, keep up the good work, fight the good fight. Time will prove >us correct. Don't give up. It's tough, and usually lonely, being on the >cutting edge, and going against the conventional wisdom >=============================== >> Lance, >> Kudos to you for trying to argue with this crowd. Last year I posted >> some questions here and was promptly attacked by the usual suspects. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> cover their gluteus max. They know they will be sued the hell out of >> them soon, and are trying their obnoxious best to delay the inevitable. >> I had 17-year slow downward spiral that was only stopped last year by >> taking out amalgam fillings and going through chelation therapy. Only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> recovering and I don't feel like I am living in the Twilight Zone >> episodes anymore. >> Don't let these bozos annoy you, they just cannot help being themselves >> when it comes their wallet. >> qborba >P.S. And of course Kudos to Jan Drew. She did more service to >> Hg-poisoned people than anyone else I know. >============================ >Hi Jan >Ive been reading some of your posts on alternative med support and now the >dental site. I'll spare you my long story but ive had horrendous bilateral [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >done DMPS chelation with much improvement. Still have a ways to go but im >getting there. Keep up the fight! >And I have received a few others, and was asked not to post them as the >poster >didn't wish to be harassed by the dentists here. >This one I received recently. >The people on the NG seem very hostile. Chances are my dentist is dead, so >I can't sue him, even if I wanted to. I have been suffering from something [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >site address. Couldn't get on. I'll try later. > thanx 4 > help >>Subject: Re: What the one and only gentleman destist HERE said about Jan & >>From: Matt matt@themattfella.zzzz.com [quoted text clipped - 226 lines] > >> help Please forgive me if I mostly disengage from you ... I wish you well ... >>Oh. >> >>> I post because I was poisoned and nearly died. I have a message, I have >>helped >>> others and will continue. I just love this. Poisoned BY AMALGAM! Joel |
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