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Re: The Prosperity of the Mercury-Free-Dentist

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Jan - 20 Jan 2005 00:55 GMT
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
From: clint...@prodigy.net - Find messages by this author  
Date: 19 Jan 2005 13:20:46 -0800
Local: Wed, Jan 19 2005 1:20 pm  
Subject: Re: The Prosperity of the Mercury-Free Dentist

Tony Bad wrote:

> "ChuckMSRD" <chuckm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20050117043717.12553.00000051@mb-m24.aol.com...

> > >Science and medicine should be based upon double-blind studies,
not

> > >upon how a patient f-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-l-s.
> > >Joel

> > Yeah, Joel. To hell with how a patient
> > "feels". Study X is a reliable one and says that medication Y is
the one
> for
> > you. Swallow it dammit and don't talk back or you'll get a psych
consult.
> What
> > a fuckin moron you are!

> > Chuck

> I have seen patient's symptoms "improve" with sugar pills, yet that
would
> not be a sound treatment modality for many real conditions.

> Patients will often "feel" better when they THINK they should. This
may or
> may not mean their condition is actually being addressed. Jan has
written
> many times how she "felt" better immediately following the removal of
her
> amalgams.

Tony these replies are patronizing. There are thousands
of amalgam adverse reports on record in the US and the Germans have
also compiled thousands which I am sure HO has.

If you really want to know many people see-saw up and down
the first 6 months after amalgam removal in weekly/monthly
cycles with a gradual upward trend over the course of 2-5 years.
It's not fun. Some, do feel much better over the course of days, weeks
and months, espcially those cases where galnvansim was involved or the
toxicity process was caught early I hear. Maybe Jan had a pocket of
infection which was above the filling and being methylized, by a leaky
filling that upon removal brought relief to the nervous system because
of relief of the toxic load or removal of infection. "Feel better" is a
broad term. Certainly the removal of an infected tooth would bring
immediate palpable relief, not associated with pain but because of the
removal of the source of the toxicity which the body does respond to.
Of course any damage caused by the infection would not heal
immediately.

Your reliance on how "toxicity works" is really absurd because
you have no idea "how" hg toxicity works and Chuck and I believe
Jan also both tested high for mercury IIRC.

I can't remeber now myself if I felt better "immediately"
after removal although I could tell some improvement in a matter of
daysand definitley some improvement within a week or two. It took at
least 3-6 months for sigificant improvement to occur.

Regardless of whether you accept that there were lasting health
> gains from this process, the benefits would not have been
immediate...as
> this is simply counter to how heavy metal poisoning works. She "felt"
> better, but really wasn't.

> Perhaps you didn't consider this before you lashed out.

> T

The fact is Jan was in the emergency room if I understand
correctly, then was cured after amalgam removal.

No, Clinton, that is incorrect.

Neither did I ever say I was cured. See my post to Tony.

Also, I know that i have also lashed out on this list.
That is because the last symptom to disappear is the
irritablility or mercurialism caused by mercury.
This is not anger caused by a disgust for someone's position
on an important health issue, but an almost spontaneous
unique anger caused by the mercury itself. In fact in really
bad cases sometimes the anger never completely disappears due to the
persistence of Hg in the nervous system for years.
Indeed one on an amalgam list said it well. "The anger
never really goes away".

My anger is with the dentists who KNOW the risks of amalgams, (most do, with
the exemption of idiot Joel) yet make all kinds of excuses and with *organized
dentistry as well as medicine* who LIE causing people never to think of
checking the teeth.

This is EVIL while people continue to suffer and continue to search for their
*unanswered* health problems.

While their health greatly deteriorates, spending big bucks, not to mention as
in my case, my poor hubby who spent his first few years of retirement, taking
care of me, searching all over, while I could barely get dressed, not knowing
if I was going to die. Spindling endless hours sitting in doctors offices, and
alternative clinics.

Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 20 Jan 2005 09:31 GMT
>Tony these replies are patronizing. There are thousands
>of amalgam adverse reports on record in the US and the Germans have
>also compiled thousands which I am sure HO has.

Thousands, reported by six people .......
clintonz@prodigy.net - 20 Jan 2005 19:44 GMT
You want to place a bet on that?

Here's my report to FDA DEntal

FRiday September 13, 2003

Dear FDA Dental devices,

I am sending this email to oppose your reclasssification of amalgam...

I am a sufferer of amlagam poisoning and luckily...........

My list of syptoms followed........

My medical tests.........

Finally I would like to point out that my report and all other
reports....

So please accept and respond to my adverse reaction report,,,

thank you for your time,
Clinton Zimmerman

Ever hear from them. NOPE. And my DAD works for the FDA!

Where did Susan runner put it? In de garbage, then ran the
media circuit declaring amalgam "safe".
Joel M. Eichen - 20 Jan 2005 09:31 GMT
>Your reliance on how "toxicity works" is really absurd because
>you have no idea "how" hg toxicity works and Chuck and I believe
>Jan also both tested high for mercury IIRC.

Were both tested for break dancing ability?
 
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