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Re: Anyone Observing the Holiday

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Jan - 19 Jan 2005 20:10 GMT
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From: "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESS...@att.fake.net> - Find messages by this
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:19:54 GMT
Local: Mon, Jan 17 2005 5:19 am  
Subject: Anyone Observing the Holiday?

Thank God, my neurosurgeon celebrated it, by doing a wonder job of surgery on
me.

Operated on 3 degenerated disks in my neck. On the MRI it showed the spurs on
the outside, when he went inside one to replace the cushioning (as I call it)
he found a huge spur inside it. I have been in unbelievable pain, especially
when it settled on my nerves.

As an aside, the dentists here might want to know, I had a couple of teeth
pulled that were somehow connected with these nerves, no cavities, just black
at the gum line, at any rate terrible pressure on my entire face jaws and neck.
At the time I had them extracted the MRI results weren't in. The pain shot
straight to the protruded disks, when my surgeon began to tell me the results,
I said, let me guess exactly where they are. I was right on the money.

Feeling much better, but still not home free as the one in front of the other
two, is doing the same, plan to get it out next week.

I would like to say at this time, I had the teeth cleaned up under the gum on
the other side of my mouth several years ago, I believe this was a much needed
procedure.

I went to the chronic pain center and got several epidurals, while waiting to
get in to see the surgeon, they didn't help. Ended up in the ER several times,
when I could stand the pain no longer.

I would hope that even Joel would not make fun of this post, the pain has been
unreal.

It is amazing that one can have seroius surgery one day and be home the next,
and with the new technology, no stitches, in my rather long scar.

Also calling Diamond Headache clinic as this may have been the cause of my long
history of headaches. They often do MRI's of the head, but not the neck, this
info., if they still are not doing it, may help someone.

Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Jan 2005 21:56 GMT
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>From: "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESS...@att.fake.net> - Find messages by this
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>As an aside, the dentists here might want to know, I had a couple of teeth
>pulled that were somehow connected with these nerves, no cavities,\

Hah!

A licensed dentist made the diagnosis or you?

Joel

> just black
>at the gum line, at any rate terrible pressure on my entire face jaws and neck.
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>
>Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Jan 2005 21:58 GMT
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>get in to see the surgeon, they didn't help. Ended up in the ER several times,
>when I could stand the pain no longer.

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Regional anesthesia resulting from injection of an anesthetic into the
epidural space of the spinal cord; sensation is lost in the abdominal
and genital and pelvic areas; used in childbirth and gynecological
surgery

Jan, I thought you were past child-bearing age?

Joel

>I would hope that even Joel would not make fun of this post, the pain has been
>unreal.
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>
>Jan
- 20 Jan 2005 02:42 GMT
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> Jan

Hope you have a very good recovery for all time.
Spurs are notoriously painful and you must have endured a lot.
Good Wishses
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 20 Jan 2005 10:18 GMT
>Operated on 3 degenerated disks in my neck. On the MRI it showed the spurs on
>the outside, when he went inside one to replace the cushioning (as I call it)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>straight to the protruded disks, when my surgeon began to tell me the results,
>I said, let me guess exactly where they are. I was right on the money.

Jan,

POSTED IN ERROR at sci.med.dentistry.

REPOSTED to sci.med.voodoo.
jdrew63929@aol.com - 21 Jan 2005 01:18 GMT
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From: Joel M. Eichen <joeleic...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:18:18 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 2:18 am
Subject: Re: Anyone Observing the Holiday

On 19 Jan 2005 20:10:02 GMT, jdrew63...@aol.com (Jan) wrote

>Operated on 3 degenerated disks in my neck. On the MRI it showed the spurs on
>the outside, when he went inside one to replace the cushioning (as I call it)
>he found a huge spur inside it. I have been in unbelievable pain, especially
>when it settled on my nerves.

>As an aside, the dentists here might want to know, I had a couple of teeth
>pulled that were somehow connected with these nerves, no cavities, just black
>at the gum line, at any rate terrible pressure on my entire face jaws and neck.
>At the time I had them extracted the MRI results weren't in. The pain shot
>straight to the protruded disks, when my surgeon began to tell me the results,
>I said, let me guess exactly where they are. I was right on the money.

Jan,

POSTED IN ERROR at sci.med.dentistry.

REPOSTED to sci.med.voodoo.

Someday, Joel, you'll have real pain and then you will owe a lot of
apologies.

Of course you are much too despicable to do so.
You are utterly stupid.

Jan
Sdores - 20 Jan 2005 15:36 GMT
I have to ask, are you saying you had this major neck surgery on your back
the 17th of this month?  Today is the 20th and that you are moving about and
home since the surgery?  Am I confusing the dates here?  UM MOM Susan ( I
lurk occasionally because of some of the good spirited debates here but
lately, well I am sure you all know)
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> Jan
jdrew63929@aol.com - 21 Jan 2005 01:13 GMT
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From: "Sdores" <sdo...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:36:05 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jan 20 2005 7:36 am
Subject: Re: Anyone Observing the Holiday

I have to ask, are you saying you had this major neck surgery on your
back
the 17th of this month?

17th correct, back surgery, incorrect, it was neck surgery. that was in
the post.

Today is the 20th and that you are moving about and
home since the surgery?

Yes, I was released the next day on the 18th.

It is all clearly stated in my post, but I must confess, being on the
computer much too long yesterday, I certainly over did it, arms and
shoulders very sore and aching. Limited time today.

Jan

Am I confusing the dates here? UM MOM Susan ( I
lurk occasionally because of some of the good spirited debates here but

lately, well I am sure you all know)
"

Jan" <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> From: "Vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESS...@att.fake.net> - Find messages by this
> author
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:19:54 GMT
> Local: Mon, Jan 17 2005 5:19 am
> Subject: Anyone Observing the Holiday?

> Thank God, my neurosurgeon celebrated it, by doing a wonder job of surgery
> on
> me.

> Operated on 3 degenerated disks in my neck. On the MRI it showed the spurs
> on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> especially
> when it settled on my nerves.

> As an aside, the dentists here might want to know, I had a couple of teeth
> pulled that were somehow connected with these nerves, no cavities, just
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> At the time I had them extracted the MRI results weren't in. The pain shot
> straight to the protruded disks, when my surgeon began to tell me the

> results,
> I said, let me guess exactly where they are. I was right on the money.

> Feeling much better, but still not home free as the one in front of the
> other
> two, is doing the same, plan to get it out next week.

> I would like to say at this time, I had the teeth cleaned up under the gum
> on
> the other side of my mouth several years ago, I believe this was a much
> needed
> procedure.

> I went to the chronic pain center and got several epidurals, while waiting
> to
> get in to see the surgeon, they didn't help. Ended up in the ER several
> times,
> when I could stand the pain no longer.

> I would hope that even Joel would not make fun of this post, the pain has
> been
> unreal.

> It is amazing that one can have seroius surgery one day and be home the
> next,
> and with the new technology, no stitches, in my rather long scar.

> Also calling Diamond Headache clinic as this may have been the cause of my
> long
> history of headaches. They often do MRI's of the head, but not the neck,
> this
> info., if they still are not doing it, may help someone.

> Jan
Advocate147 - 22 Jan 2005 15:01 GMT
Jan,

You may want to reconsider pulling another tooth.  
From the Mayo Clinic Family Health book
"Trigeminal Neuralgia"    Frequently, a delayed diagnosis results in multiple
unnecessary dental procedures in an attempt to correct the pain.  (Brief
flashes of excrutiating pain in the lips,gums, cheek  chin or rarely forehead.)
Although the pain may be incpacitating, it is not life threatening.   Attacks
come and go variably, but periods of remission may grow shorter as you age.".
It is understandable that the pain was too difficult to bear, but perhaps now
the pain will diminish with a little time.
Hope you are better and further procedures are not necessary.  
Medications such as phenytoin or carbamazepine may conrol pain.
or even codeine.
Hope this all in the past and the pain is quickly forgotten.

Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Jan 2005 15:28 GMT
>Jan,
>
>You may want to reconsider pulling another tooth.  

Why would she?

It makes her h-a-p-p-y-!

I can not believe that with ten or more highly skilled and highly
ethical dentists, right here, that Jan would not run the theory past
us.

Just in case, its nonsense!

100,000 posts by Jan, but she forgot the one important one.

Joel

>From the Mayo Clinic Family Health book
>"Trigeminal Neuralgia"    Frequently, a delayed diagnosis results in multiple
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>
>Gail
jdrew63929@aol.com - 23 Jan 2005 02:03 GMT
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From: advocate...@aol.com (Advocate147) -
Date: 22 Jan 2005 15:01:16 GMT
Local: Sat, Jan 22 2005 7:01 am
Subject: Re: Anyone Observing the Holiday

Jan,

You may want to reconsider pulling another tooth.
>From the Mayo Clinic Family Health book
"Trigeminal Neuralgia"    Frequently, a delayed diagnosis results in
multiple
unnecessary dental procedures in an attempt to correct the pain. (Brief
flashes of excrutiating pain in the lips,gums, cheek chin or rarely
forehead.)
Although the pain may be incpacitating, it is not life threatening.
Attacks
come and go variably, but periods of remission may grow shorter as you
age.".
It is understandable that the pain was too difficult to bear, but
perhaps now
the pain will diminish with a little time.
Hope you are better and further procedures are not necessary.
Medications such as phenytoin or carbamazepine may conrol pain.
or even codeine.
Hope this all in the past and the pain is quickly forgotten.

Gail

Thank you Gail.

I really doesn't ache, just sensitive, No excrutiating pain. I used
Anbesol on it, it really fired up, went right straight up to the nerve
perhaps there is a crack a the gum line??

However, with the other two, it was unbearable pressure, from the
entire head down to lower neck. This left the minute they were pulled.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Jan 2005 12:07 GMT
Another WHO SAID WHAT by Jan.

Joel

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>entire head down to lower neck. This left the minute they were pulled.
>Jan
 
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