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Dentist chipped 5 teeth

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Jen - 12 Jan 2005 05:02 GMT
he was fitting a splint with acrylic to make it more snug. It got hard and
he couldn't get it off so he was sawing and prying it off of my top teeth.
The torque from prying chipped my front 4 teeth along the bottom edge. Also
one on my crowned mo was chipped.

I was terrified while all this was going on and there was pain from all the
torque. This took 2 1/2 hours.
I was sore and scared and left after they cleaned up the mess.

I went back after several days and he confirmed all the chipped teeth.

My teeth are still chipped and even though they aren't huge chips I am of a
mind to sue him.

Any thoughts please? What are my rights.

Thanks
Shyster - 12 Jan 2005 05:48 GMT
> he was fitting a splint with acrylic to make it more snug. It got hard and
> he couldn't get it off so he was sawing and prying it off of my top teeth.
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>
> Any thoughts please? What are my rights.

Sue him he's incompetent. I would suggest seeing another dentist from now on
but this one is liable for damages. You'll need at least 4 porcelain veneers
@ 1000 each. So sue for the actual damages plus pain, suffering and
emotional distress. Did he call you that night to see if you were alright?
If not, sue for patient abandonment as well and file a complaint against him
with the dental licensing board of your State. Get a lawyer if you can't
handle it yourself.

> Thanks
Joel M. Eichen - 12 Jan 2005 12:03 GMT
>> he was fitting a splint with acrylic to make it more snug. It got hard and
>> he couldn't get it off so he was sawing and prying it off of my top teeth.
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>Sue him he's incompetent. I would suggest seeing another dentist from now on
>but this one is liable for damages.

I am not so sure about that.

Joel

> You'll need at least 4 porcelain veneers
>@ 1000 each. So sue for the actual damages plus pain, suffering and
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>
>> Thanks
Steven Bornfeld - 12 Jan 2005 14:09 GMT
> he was fitting a splint with acrylic to make it more snug. It got hard and
> he couldn't get it off so he was sawing and prying it off of my top teeth.
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>
> Thanks

    First of all, anyone can sue anyone for anything.  A successful law
suit is another thing.
    What you are supposed to prove for a successful law suit are negligence
and damages.  You certainly have damages, but whether what was done
rises to the level of negligence is not self-evident.  Getting acrylic
devices locked onto teeth is something just about every dentist has
done--yours truly included.  Utilizing enough force to break teeth is
another story--but we know nothing about how he tried to remove the
splint, what kind of shape the teeth were in beforehand--which can
change the way the damages are viewed.
    From a practical standpoint, since malpractice cases are taken on a
contingency basis, unless there is a potential large payday you aren't
going to find a lawyer to take your case.  Lawsuits are expensive to
bring, and few lawyers (unless they're really hungry) are going to take
a case where the damages are a couple of minimally damaged teeth.
    You also haven't told me whether you have given the dentist the chance
to put things right.  If the dentist has offered to repair the damage
and you refuse to see him again, the legal and ethical situation is not
too clear.
    In short, it is not clear whether this is incompetence or an
unfortunate accident.  Give him the chance to fix the teeth, or at least
discuss the issues with him prior to going to a law suit.

Steve
Gregory P. Cole, B.S., D.D.S. \(Flap\) - 12 Jan 2005 18:03 GMT
Yes, discuss the issues with your treating dentist and see if you can get a
mutually acceptable resolution.

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>> he was fitting a splint with acrylic to make it more snug. It got hard
>> and
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>
> Steve
Jen - 12 Jan 2005 20:46 GMT
To answer some of the questions to my post.

Yew he called 2 times that evening but I wasn't home. I was to upset to cook
so my husband took my out to eat. To talk about this for a moment, I am
afraid that my  front teeth are going to chip or break if I bite anything
with any force, even an apple.

I went to seen him a few days after he called again. He acknowledged the
damages and one more tooth I wasn't sure of. I had he grind down the broken
molar because it was uncomfortable.

He wants to do all the corrections for free... Like I should have to "pay"
to have him do it.
He also will not charge me for a new splint if I still want one. I was
getting the splint to make sure my teeth and gums stayed healthy since I
guess I clinch them at night. He said that he wants to build up the teeth
along the bottom edge as opposed to grinding them off, therefore making them
shorter. I wouldn't want shorter teeth. They'd look fake.

I am going in for a cleaning in 2 weeks and they made an appointment for me
in 4 weeks to do the work, during which time I am going to bleach my teeth.
I want them a white as possible before I get any new color added to the
edges.

My teeth and gums are in very good shape. I am 53. He has pretty much
rebuilt my entire mouth over the past 10 years. I have all my molars capped
now. Are they supposed to be dark at the gum line? I do hate the look of
that. I should have Hollywood teeth by now shouldn't I?

Thanks

> > he was fitting a splint with acrylic to make it more snug. It got hard and
> > he couldn't get it off so he was sawing and prying it off of my top teeth.
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>
> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 12 Jan 2005 21:56 GMT
> To answer some of the questions to my post.
>
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>>
>>Steve

    Most crowns are porcelain baked over a coping of metal.  This gives a
balance of esthetics and strength, but one area they aren't so great in
is esthetics at the gumline, where the porcelain is thin.  If the
gumline recedes even a little you may see the metal edge of the crown,
which will look dark.
    Dentists are doing more all-ceramic crowns now, which are more
cosmetic.  I still believe you're giving up a little in the strength
department, so I would reserve their use to areas where esthetics is
critical and moderate biting forces make their use a good bet.  You
still may see the edge of the crown if the gumline recedes, but it won't
be dark.
    It sounds like you've built up a good relationship with this dentist
over 10 years, and it seems like he's showing genuine concern.  I
wouldn't let one mistake in this time send you running to lawyers.

Best,
Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Shyster - 13 Jan 2005 00:30 GMT
> > To answer some of the questions to my post.
> >
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> >
> > the

Sounds like a torture chamber he's running.

> >>>torque. This took 2 1/2 hours.
> >>>I was sore and scared and left after they cleaned up the mess.
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> >>First of all, anyone can sue anyone for anything.  A successful law
> >>suit is another thing.

Plaintiffs are successful in 78% of civil actions. They only have to prove
their case by the preponderance of the evidence and in most places only have
to convince 4 out of 6 jurors :o)

So be careful Bornfeld, you sound like you're too eager to discourage this
woman. I wonder why? Hmmmm

> >>What you are supposed to prove for a successful law suit are negligence
> >>and damages.  You certainly have damages, but whether what was done
> >>rises to the level of negligence is not self-evident.

You only have to prove damages caused by the practitioner and they exist in
this case. If he was negligent that would come under punitive damages, not
to mention pain and suffering :o)

Getting acrylic
> >>devices locked onto teeth is something just about every dentist has
> >>done--yours truly included.

That's why we make you go to dental school lol

Utilizing enough force to break teeth is
> >>another story--but we know nothing about how he tried to remove the
> >>splint, what kind of shape the teeth were in beforehand--which can
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> >>You also haven't told me whether you have given the dentist the chance
> >>to put things right.

Yes, let him "put things right" and pay you $100,000. In future he'll be
more careful.

 If the dentist has offered to repair the damage
> >>and you refuse to see him again, the legal and ethical situation is not
> >>too clear.
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> It sounds like you've built up a good relationship with this dentist
> over 10 years, and it seems like he's showing genuine concern.

He's afraid of a lawsuit  haha

I
> wouldn't let one mistake in this time send you running to lawyers.
>
> Best,
> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 13 Jan 2005 02:48 GMT
> You only have to prove damages caused by the practitioner and they exist in
> this case. If he was negligent that would come under punitive damages, not
> to mention pain and suffering :o)

http://www.geomedics.com/ebook/medmal/
Shyster - 13 Jan 2005 04:42 GMT
> > You only have to prove damages caused by the practitioner and they exist in
> > this case. If he was negligent that would come under punitive damages, not
> > to mention pain and suffering :o)
>
> http://www.geomedics.com/ebook/medmal/

Yes, just as I said.
Advocate147 - 03 Feb 2005 15:02 GMT
Not a dentist, just advice from Ann Landers column at one time, said it before,
but  worth repeating?
For those that are not too high strung or high tension personality, when laying
down, even while up, and when sleeping, relax and put the tongue between the
upper and lower teeth and learn to keep it there, will keep the teeth from
clenching.
Handy and easy to maneuver with the same effect as an appliance.  
Do this at your own risk, however, if you have any problem with it.  

Gail
MC60614 - 03 Feb 2005 20:40 GMT
Gail, This is very much a meditational way of relaxing the mouth and chin.. MC
Joel M. Eichen - 03 Feb 2005 21:07 GMT
>Not a dentist, just advice from Ann Landers column at one time, said it before,
>but  worth repeating?
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>
>Gail

I guess you could sue the dentist for biting your own tongue though!
Advocate147 - 03 Feb 2005 21:58 GMT
"I guess you could sue the dentist for biting your own tongue though"
Yes, especially if the tongue bleeds and you end up with a lisp"

Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 03 Feb 2005 22:02 GMT
>"I guess you could sue the dentist for biting your own tongue though"
>Yes, especially if the tongue bleeds and you end up with a lisp"
>
>Gail

That is spelled "lithp."
MC60614 - 07 Feb 2005 03:13 GMT
Gail, Does it have to bleed to get the lisp..MC
Joel M. Eichen - 07 Feb 2005 13:37 GMT
>Gail, Does it have to bleed to get the lisp..MC

Lithp.
MC60614 - 06 Feb 2005 05:12 GMT
Hey Gail, I have a clock that belonged to Ann Landers.  MC
W_B - 18 Jan 2005 23:12 GMT
>Any thoughts please? What are my rights.
>
>Thanks

Watch out for the lefts.
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W_B

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