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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2005I Am Early With This Times Two
*;* Ya gotta get up early to to get one step ahead of Jan. Subject: Why..... >From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not >Why the dentists on SMD don't respond to Jan Drew In a nut shell, because they can't answer my pointed questions. For instance, Dan couldn't, but LIED and said he did. >Jan Drew claims to be a retired Day Care owner and to have finished High >School. She is not a dentist and has no background in science. She lacks >appreciation of what constitutes good research and the Scientific Method Correction: I post the research and scientific proof and studies. That ruffles the feathers of the dentists here, ALL except Steve Bornfeld who is the ONLY honest dentist here. >because they are evidentially beyond her capacity to understand. Uh huh. Time for this again. (A bit of background, Dan was raising a fuss about abstracts, then got cuagh in his on trap, of diversion. I posted the below and asked the dsntist to answer my questions, two did, but didn't continue to discuss when more pointed questions were asked. Dan didn't discuss at all, he did his usual Joel syndrome nonsense thing, which teling me all about his education) Summary Brief Abstract Citation MEDLINE ASN.1 XML/SGML LinkOut Related Articles Protein Links Nucleotide Links Popset Links Structure Links GenomeLinks OMIM Links Structure Domains Links 1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related Articles, Books [Patterns of mercury release from amalgam fillings into the oralcavity].[ Article in >Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI. Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15 fillings of silver amalgamwere examined. The level of mercury vapors in the oral cavity was assessed using>an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the authors. Emission ofmercury>vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of fillings. The concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the number of silver amalgam fillings and less so on these fillings' length of service .AdvDent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury contribution to body burden from dental amalgam.Reinhardt JW.Department of Operative Dentistry, University of Iowa College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242. The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that relate mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams, giving special attention to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have been fewpublished studiesexamining the relationship between dental amalgams and tissue mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue analysis techniques have made it possible to measure elements in the concentration range of parts per billion. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in humantissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientificinterest. Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little significance as contributors to the overall body burden of mercury, because the elemental form of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of the restoration .Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety. Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the bloodstream. Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of excretion is prolonged. Two of the primary arget organs of concern are the central nervous system and kidneys. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236. Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental fillings into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW, Vimy MJ, Lorscheider FL.Department of Radiology, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine,Alberta,Canada. The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver" amalgam tooth fillings into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report about sheep revealed uptake routes and distribution of amalgam Hg among body tissues. The present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans. When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a tracer of radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope appears in high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body images of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg werel ocated in the kidney, gastrointestinal tract, and jaw. ****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable tooth restorative material is not supported by these findings.****PMID: 2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related Articles, Books,LinkOut Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW, Hanson AL.There is >>adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after placement,results in the release of Hg into the patient's body. Whether the Hg released from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg release continues for years. ****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.**** With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg levels, especially in tissue and blood, additional studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg levels with dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate existing restorations as well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg levels. ****It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material as being safe.***** Publication Types: Historical Article PMID: 6361623 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ========= My words: Now do show us all our education and tell us all about these abstracts and studies, and WHY you don't believe them. I will be waiting. Dan wrote: >Okay, tell me which of the above is an abstract, which is a reference, and >which is a study. If you get any correct I will be shocked. I wrote: Ah ah. Let me repeat: No do show us all your education and tell us about these abstracts and studies and WHY you don't believe them. Questions for you: Medline has many abstracts. Wonder why? Furthermore I have posted many sudies as well. Which one did you agree with??? Now do show us all our education and tell us all about these abstracts and studies, and WHY you don't believe them. Cover these points: Emission of mercury vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of fillings. (why is that?) The concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the number The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that relate >>mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams, giving special attention to autopsy studies. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in human tissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific interest. (reach toxic levels, could this come from amalgams? It says makes *any* and*all*) Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety. Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the bloodstream. (Where does these mercury vapor come from??) Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of excretion is prolonged. Two of the primaryt arget organs of concern are the central >nervous system and kidneys. (The central nervous system ah, you don't suppose my PN came from the same place as my mercury poisoning do you?) Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental fillings into monkey tissues (is mercury released from amalgams??) The present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans. When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a tracer of radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope appears in high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk. (now tell us how safe they are) >****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable tooth restorative material is not supported by these findings.****PMID: (time to us show all that edcuation) There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after placement, results in the release of Hg into the patient's body. (do note the word adequate, I don't see, any *not credible* *real* *convining* *hard* *clear-cut* *significant* *substantial* *solid**reasonable**compelling* do you?) (I see adequate.) (What does that mean??) Whether the Hg is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg release continues for years. (could this cause mercury poisoning??) >****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a >>restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.**** (do you agree and if so why?) It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material as being safe. (and your answer?) You see, this is just an example of why I had the metal removed. I did my own research and it matters not whether it comes from an abstract or a study. I would like to hear the answers from ALL dentists here, and I will even remove my block from Joel and see if he can answer without blathering. ONE AND ALL SHOW US *YOUR* EDUCATION!!! >Instead she has embraced Alternative treatments, Hulda Clark's writings and anything else she can find on the Misinformation Highway that she thinks will support abandonment of mainstream dentistry. The Misinformation comes from the lying ADA and AMA. and those here who are of the: *I-don't-want-to-be-informed-attitude* What I did. was looked at reasearch and made the decision to get the metal removed, AFTER I had gone throught the gamut of conventional medicine WITH NO ANSWERS, all the while my health deteriorating. >Several dentists and others with an education in the sciences have attempted to discuss some of the URLs, abstracts and articles that she posts See above. >Some have merit, others (especially those selling *snake oil* None sell snake oil. >She is unable to distinguish between those two. ZZzz, the ususal insulting. When others have tried to debate >and/or discuss she has consistently changed the focus. See above. >If a source she has >posted is politely challenged, LOLOLOL. Do take a look at the politeness of Dan. >even if only to discuss its' merits and/or shortcomings, the word lie or >some derivation of it will follow shortly. Wrong. I call lies when there are lies, and I prove it with the posters own words. The FACT is; lying is rampant here. >Regrettably she has gone further with >some childish insults LOL. Dan does a great deal of insulting, as well as the others dentists and suck ups. >more regrettably others have stooped down to her level. All can see who does the insulting, who is childish and who stoops to their OWN low levels. . Unfortunately, this has been the only effective way to interact with her. Well, no, it is a CHOICE, and it happens because my pointed questions can't be answered, and the insults flow. >Then, if she feels the need, she plays her trump card, the Bible. The bible isn't a trump card. I did indeed quote from it when necessary. >Most of the professionals posting here aren't playing her card game anymore. I have never played games here however, that's exactly what the dentists and suck ups do, when they can't answer pointed questions. >It is a waste of our time to challenge each and every post, however we do >not support her views. They aren't *MY* views, the websites are written by researchers, chemists, toxicologists, DDS's and MD's. >Her posts leave the dentally uninformed easy prey for the charlatans out there who are ready to take your money, give you false hope, or worse. There is the denial all so rampant here. >If you choose to read her posts, do so with a jaundiced eye. >carabelli Simply read the science, the evidence, the study and the proof. Then read my message, not it starts with *IF* I have helped others and will continue. IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH! NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol. I did, it saved my life .Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together. U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.* The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount ofmercury in the environment http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm 17. DENTAL AMALGAMDental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for its disposal. Jan >*;* > >Ya gotta get up early to to get one step ahead of Jan. At least by 11:30 am! Joel >Subject: Why..... >>From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 372 lines] > >Jan >In a nut shell, because they can't answer my pointed questions. > >For instance, Dan couldn't, but LIED and said he did. Jan is in de-NILE. > >Jan Drew claims to be a retired Day Care owner and to have finished High > >School. She is not a dentist and has no background in science. She lacks [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I post the research and scientific proof and studies. Ok Jan, what is the "Scientific method"? In your own words now! No cheating using Google! >Subject: Re: I Am Early With This Times Two >From: "CWatters" colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >In your own words now! No cheating using Google! Try to read for comprehension. I post the research and scientific proof and studies. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ uids=2270464&dopt=Abstract Sci Total Environ 1990 Dec 1;99(1-2):1-22 Related Articles,Links Does mercury from amalgam restorations constitute a health hazard? Weiner JA, Nylander M, Berglund F. National Board of Occupational Safety and Health, Solna, Sweden. Amalgam is the most extensively used implant material in dentistry. There have been no clinical trials of this substance and there are no epidemiological studies that allow any conclusions on the safety of amalgam fillings. Amalgam restorations continuously emit mercury vapour, which is absorbed in considerable quantities via the lungs. A comparison with dose-effect relationships, obtained in occupational studies, for certain effects on the kidneys and central nervous system (CNS), suggests that individuals with unusually high emission of mercury from amalgam fillings are at risk. It is unclear whether or not clinically significant effects could be expected. The limited sensitivity of available occupational studies, together with insufficient knowledge of possible host factors affecting resistance to mercury, implies that other more severe effects in susceptible individuals cannot be excluded. Information on long-term effects on organs other than brain or kidney is sparse. Animal studies suggest the possibility of immune system reactions to mercury, i.e. development of autoimmunity, that are not primarily dose-dependent, but rather depend on genetic susceptibility. From a toxicological point of view, amalgam is an unsuitable material for dental restorations. Publication Types: Review Review, Academic PMID: 2270464 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Environmental medicine, part three: long-term effects of chronic low-dose mercury exposure. Crinnion WJ. Healing Naturally, 11811 NE 128th St., Suite 202, Kirkland, WA 98034, USA. Mercury is ubiquitous in the environment, and in our mouths in the form of "silver" amalgams. Once introduced to the body through food or vapor, mercury is rapidly absorbed and accumulates in several tissues, leading to increased oxidative damage, mitochondrial dysfunction, and cell death. Mercury primarily affects neurological tissue, resulting in numerous neurological symptoms, and also affects the kidneys and the immune system. It causes increased production of free radicals and decreases the availability of antioxidants. It also has devastating effects on the glutathione content of the body, giving rise to the possibility of increased retention of other environmental toxins. Fortunately, effective tests are available to help distinguish those individuals who are excessively burdened with mercury, and to monitor them during treatment. Therapies for assisting the reduction of a mercury load include the use of 2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA) and 2,3-dimercato-1-propanesulfonic acid (DMPS). Additional supplementation to assist in the removal of mercury and to reduce its adverse effects is discussed. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 10869102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Summary Brief Abstract Citation MEDLINE ASN.1 XML/SGML LinkOut Related Articles Protein Links Nucleotide Links Popset Links Structure Links GenomeLinks OMIM Links Structure Domains Links 1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related Articles, Books [Patterns of mercury release from amalgam fillings into the oral cavity].[Article in Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI. Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15 fillings of silver amalgam were examined. The level of mercury vapors in the oral cavity was assessedusing an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the authors. Emission of mercury vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number of fillings. The concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the number ofsilver amalgam fillings and less so on these fillings' length of service.Adv Dent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury contribution to body burden from dental amalgam.Reinhardt JW.Department of Operative Dentistry, University of Iowa College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242. The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that relate mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams, giving special attention to autopsy studies. Until recently, there have been few published studies examining the relationship between dental amalgams and tissue mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue analysis techniques have made it possible to measure elements in the concentration range of parts per billion. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in humantissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific interest. Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little significance as contributors to the overall body burden of mercury, because the elemental form of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of the restoration.Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety. Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of the inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the bloodstream. Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and remain in certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of excretion is prolonged. Two of the primary arget organs of concern are the central nervous system and kidneys. Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236. Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental fillings into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW, Vimy MJ, Lorscheider FL.Department of Radiology, University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine, Alberta,Canada. The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver" amalgam tooth fillings into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report about sheep revealed uptake routes and distribution of amalgam Hg among body tissues. The present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam Hg in a monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern closely resemble those of humans. When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a tracer of radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope appears in high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body images of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg werel ocated in the kidney, gastrointestinal tract, and jaw. ****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable tooth restorative material is not supported by these findings.****PMID: 2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related Articles, Books,LinkOut Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW, Hanson AL.There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after placement, results in the release of Hg into the patient's body. Whether the Hg released from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg release continues for years. ****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.**** With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg levels, especially in tissue and blood, additional studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg levels with dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate existing restorations as well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg levels. It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material as being safe. Publication Types: Historical Article PMID: 6361623 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Source Average Human Daily Dose of MercuryDental Amalgam 3.0 - 17.0 ug/day (hgvapor)Fish and Seafood 2.3 ug/day (methylmercury)Other Food 0.3 ug/day (inorganichg)Air &Water Negligible traces(World Health Organization, Environmental Health Criteria 118: InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.) http://home.online.no/~reiersol/bund.htm http://www.toxicteeth.org/Berlinbilaga.doc http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html > Try to read for comprehension. Oh easily understood, but I like eating fish. Diet, Not Fillings, is Your Major Source of Mercury Risk http://www.mercola.com/2003/apr/9/diet_mercury.htm >Subject: Re: I Am Early With This Times Two >From: "CWatters" colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Oh easily understood, but I like eating fish. How did the fish get so much mercury??? >Diet, Not Fillings, is Your Major Source of Mercury Risk >http://www.mercola.com/2003/apr/9/diet_mercury.htm Keep reading: http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/no_mercury.htm http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/mercury_reaches_brain_directly_through _nerves.htm http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/21/mercury_gum.htm Don't let your traditional dentist fool you. Mercury is a poison and it has absolutely no health reason to be in your mouth. None! It is an excellent restoration material however, it is relatively inexpensive and lasts for decades. This is far better than many of the composite alternatives. http://www.mercola.com/1998/archive/breast_implant_settlement.htm >Try to read for comprehension. > > I post the research and scientific proof and studies. .... she continues to continue ....... Barry Manilow ..... ....... I sing the songs as Jan posts the posts ...... |
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