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Dan needs to be educated & stop lying

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jdrew63929@aol.com - 08 Jan 2005 19:38 GMT
Subject: Why.....
>From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not

>Why the dentists on SMD don't respond to Jan Drew

In a nut shell, because they can't answer my pointed questions.

For instance, Dan couldn't, but LIED and said he did.

>Jan Drew claims to be a retired Day Care owner and to have finished
High
>School. She is not a dentist and has no background in science. She
lacks
>appreciation of what constitutes good research and the Scientific
Method

Correction:

I post the research and scientific proof and studies.

That ruffles the feathers of the dentists here, ALL except Steve
Bornfeld who is the ONLY honest dentist here.

>because they are evidentially beyond her capacity to understand.

Uh huh.

Time for this again.

(A bit of background, Dan was raising a fuss about abstracts, then got
cuagh in his on trap, of diversion. I posted the below and asked the
dsntist to answer my questions, two did, but didn't continue to discuss
when more pointed questions were asked. Dan didn't discuss at all, he
did his usual Joel syndrome nonsense thing, which teling me all about
his education)

Summary Brief Abstract Citation MEDLINE ASN.1 XML/SGML LinkOut Related
Articles Protein Links Nucleotide Links Popset Links Structure Links
GenomeLinks OMIM
Links Structure Domains Links

1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related Articles, Books
[Patterns of mercury release from amalgam fillings into the
oralcavity].[

Article in
>Russian]Motorkina AV, Barer GM, Volozhin AI.

Seventy-five subjects aged 20 to 57 with 1 to 15 fillings of silver
amalgamwere examined. The level of mercury vapors in the oral cavity
was assessed using>an AGP-01 device and the method developed by the
authors. Emission ofmercury>vapors in the oral cavity increased with
the number of fillings. The
concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the
number of silver amalgam fillings and less so on these fillings' length
of service

.AdvDent Res 1992 Sep;6:110-3

Related Articles, Books, LinkOut Side-effects: mercury contribution to
body burden from dental amalgam.Reinhardt JW.Department of Operative
Dentistry,
University of Iowa College of Dentistry,Iowa City 52242.

The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that
relate mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental
amalgams, giving special attention to autopsy studies. Until recently,
there have been fewpublished studiesexamining the relationship between
dental amalgams and
tissue mercury levels. Improved and highly sensitive tissue analysis
techniques
have made it possible to measure elements in the concentration range of
parts per billion. The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach
toxic levels in
humantissues makes any and all exposure to that element of
scientificinterest.

Dental amalgams have long been believed to be of little significance as
contributors to the overall body burden of mercury, because the
elemental form
of mercury is rapidly consumed in the setting reaction of the
restoration

.Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from dental
amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety.

Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of
the
inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the
bloodstream.

Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and
remain in
certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of
excretion is
prolonged.

Two of the primary arget organs of concern are the central nervous
system and kidneys.

Publication Types: Review Review, Tutorial PMID: 1292449 [PubMed -
indexed
for MEDLINE] 1: FASEB J 1990 Nov;4(14):3256-60 Related Articles, Books,
LinkOut

Comment in: FASEB J. 1991 Feb;5(2):236.

Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental
fillings
into monkey tissues.Hahn LJ, Kloiber R, Leininger RW, Vimy MJ,
Lorscheider
FL.Department of Radiology, University of Calgary, Faculty of
Medicine,Alberta,Canada.

The fate of mercury (Hg) released from dental "silver" amalgam tooth
fillings
into human mouth air is uncertain. A previous report about sheep
revealed uptake routes and distribution of amalgam Hg among body
tissues. The
present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of amalgam
Hg in a
monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern
closely
resemble those of humans.

When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a
tracer of
radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope
appears in
high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk. Whole-body
images
of the monkey revealed that the highest levels of Hg werel ocated in
the
kidney, gastrointestinal tract, and jaw.

****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable
tooth
restorative material is not supported by these findings.****PMID:

2227216 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Neurotoxicology 1983 Fall;4(3):201-4 Related Articles, Books,LinkOut

Mercury toxicity and dental amalgam.Wolff M, Osborne JW, Hanson
AL.There is
>>adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and after
placement,results in the release of Hg into the patient's body. Whether
the Hg
released from amalgam is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion,
orl ater corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg
release
continues for years.

****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a
restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.****

With new and more accurate techniques of measuring Hg levels,
especially in
tissue and blood, additional studies are necessary to relate blood-Hg
levels
with dental amalgam restorations. Studies must relate existing
restorations as
well as the placement of new restorations to body-Hg levels.

****It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous
material as being
safe.*****

Publication Types: Historical Article PMID: 6361623
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
=========

My words:

Now do show us all our education and tell us all about these abstracts
and
studies, and WHY you don't believe them.

I will be waiting.

Dan wrote:

>Okay, tell me which of the above is an abstract, which is a reference,
and
>which is a study.  If you get any correct I will be shocked.

I wrote:

Ah ah. Let me repeat:

No do show us all your education and tell us about these abstracts and
studies
and WHY you don't believe them.

Questions for you:

Medline has many abstracts.

Wonder why?

Furthermore I have posted many sudies as well. Which one did you agree
with???

Now do show us all our education and tell us all about these abstracts
and
studies, and WHY you don't believe them.

Cover these points:

Emission of mercury vapors in the oral cavity increased with the number
of fillings.

(why is that?)

The concentration of mercury in the oral cavity depends largely on the
number

The purpose of this paper is to examine and report on studies that
relate
>>mercury levels in human tissues to the presence of dental amalgams,
giving
special attention to autopsy studies.

The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in
human tissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific
interest.

(reach toxic levels, could this come from amalgams? It says makes *any*
and*all*)

Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from
dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety.

Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of
the
inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the
bloodstream.

(Where does these mercury vapor come from??)

Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and
remain in
certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of
excretion is
prolonged. Two of the primaryt arget organs of concern are the central
>nervous system and kidneys.

(The central nervous system ah, you don't suppose my PN came from the
same
place as my mercury poisoning do you?)

Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental
fillings
into monkey tissues

(is mercury released from amalgams??)

The present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of
amalgam Hg in a
monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern
closely
resemble those of humans.

When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a
tracer of
radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope
appears in
high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk.

(now tell us how safe they are)

>****The dental profession's advocacy of silver amalgam as a stable
tooth
restorative material is not supported by these findings.****PMID:

(time to us show all that edcuation)

There is adequate evidence that dental amalgam restorations, during and
after
placement, results in the release of Hg into the patient's body.

(do note the word adequate, I don't see, any *not credible* *real*
*convining*
*hard* *clear-cut* *significant* *substantial*
*solid**reasonable**compelling*
do you?)

(I see adequate.)

(What does that mean??)

Whether the Hg is due to placement procedures, surface abrasion, orl
ater
corrosion breakdown, there is evidence that a low level Hg release
continues
for years.

(could this cause mercury poisoning??)

>****It is generally agreed that if amalgam was introduced today as a
>>restorative material, they would never pass F.D.A. approval.****

(do you agree and if so why?)

It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material
as
being safe.

(and your answer?)

You see, this is just an example of why I had the metal removed. I did
my own
research and it matters not whether it comes from an abstract or a
study.

I would like to hear the answers from ALL dentists here, and I will
even remove
my block from Joel and see if he can answer without blathering.

ONE AND ALL SHOW US *YOUR* EDUCATION!!!

>Instead she has embraced Alternative treatments, Hulda Clark's
writings and anything else she can find on the
Misinformation Highway that she thinks will support abandonment of
mainstream dentistry.

The Misinformation comes from the lying ADA and AMA. and those here who
are of the:

*I-don't-want-to-be-informed-attitude*

What I did. was looked at reasearch and made the decision to get the
metal removed, AFTER I had gone throught the gamut of conventional
medicine WITH NO ANSWERS, all the while my health deteriorating.

>Several dentists and others with an education in the sciences have
attempted
to discuss some of the URLs, abstracts and articles that she posts

See above.

>Some have merit, others (especially those selling *snake oil*

None sell snake oil.

>She is unable to distinguish between those two.

ZZzz, the ususal insulting.

When others have tried to debate
>and/or discuss she has consistently changed the focus.

See above.

>If a source she has
>posted is politely challenged,

LOLOLOL. Do take a look at the politeness of Dan.

>even if only to discuss its' merits and/or shortcomings, the word lie
or
>some derivation of it will follow shortly.

Wrong. I call lies when there are lies, and I prove it with the posters
own words. The FACT is; lying is rampant here.

>Regrettably she has gone further with
>some childish insults

LOL.

Dan does a great deal of insulting, as well as the others dentists and
suck ups.

>more regrettably others have stooped down to her level.

All can see who does the insulting, who is childish and who stoops to
their OWN low levels.

. Unfortunately, this has been the only effective way to interact with
her.

Well, no, it is a CHOICE, and it happens because my pointed questions
can't be answered, and the insults flow.

>Then, if she feels the need, she plays her trump card, the Bible.

The bible isn't a  trump card. I did indeed quote from it when
necessary.

>Most of the professionals posting here aren't playing her card game
anymore.

I have never played games here however, that's exactly what the
dentists and suck ups do, when they can't answer pointed questions.

>It is a waste of our time to challenge each and every post, however we
do
>not support her views.

They aren't *MY* views, the websites are written by researchers,
chemists, toxicologists, DDS's and MD's.

>Her posts leave the dentally uninformed easy prey for the charlatans
out there who are ready to take your money, give you
false hope, or worse.

There is the denial all so rampant here.

>If you choose to read her posts, do so with a jaundiced eye.

>carabelli

Simply read the science, the evidence, the study and the proof. Then
read my message, not it starts with *IF*

I have helped others and will continue.

IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH!

NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers
of
metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.

I did, it saved my life

.Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living
tissue.The
mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the
other
sources together.

U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from
discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental
amalgams,
fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others.

The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation.
Condensed
mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.*

The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount
ofmercury
in the environment

http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm

17. DENTAL AMALGAMDental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver
tin
alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical
Waste
Removal Form for its disposal.

Jan
ChuckMSRD - 08 Jan 2005 21:10 GMT
I can not honestly see how any DDS / DDM can look objectively at the global
research and say that amalgams do not increase systemic levels of Hg. I have
more respect for those who accept that fact and perhaps believe that the amount
is not enough to cause illness. My question would be, why increase systemic
levels of this nasty toxin when other materials are available? What is the
benefit of increasing Hg levels? If the answer is "It is an ideal filling
material", I say, I would rather have a shorter lived filling material than an
amalgam that will last 25 + years, if it means a slow chronic poisoning, albeit
minute.

>authors. Emission ofmercury>vapors in the oral cavity increased with
>the number of fillings.

>1: Stomatologiia (Mosk) 1997;76(4):9-11 Related Articles, Books
>[Patterns of mercury release from amalgam fillings into the
>oralcavity].[

Dental Amalgam 3.0 - 17.0 ug/day (hg vapor)
Fish and Seafood 2.3 ug/day (methylmercury)
Other Food 0.3 ug/day (inorganic hg)
Air & Water Negligible traces

NOTE: ug=mcg or micrograms

(World Health Organization, Environmental Health Criteria 118: Inorganic
Mercury, Geneva, 1991
 
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